The Mourinho Thread

[Tomo 21,751]

On 10/03/2016 at 6:51 AM, Henrique said:

Yesterday the 2nd Mourinho's era was oficially over in a pretty depressing way. The team was beaten with a pathetic line up. Kenedy, a promissing attacking player playing as a LB, while Felipe Luis was discarded after one single season because Mourinho believed he wasn't good enough to replace Azpilicueta, a player that was supposed to be so good that the team would win UCL with 11 Azpilicuetas, but made a stupid mistake to let PSG score a hope killer goal, a CB duo that will, beyond doubt, conced at least a goal per game, despite Mourinho praising both players as world class, and an unfinished product (Traore) as the best answear to the absence of Diego Costa, easily the best player of the game, because Jose decided the likes of Lukaku, Schurle and Salah weren't good enough, while Falcao was. What about Oscar? Remember that José decided he was his #10 player, so Mata was useless?

Yesterday's depressing defeat was the final chapter of a tragedy. Its quite pathetic that some people seem to get excited when they imagine Mourinhod returning one day, specially when they spent years talking about how "long term" and "stability" are better than "short term success". Winning PL and in the process condeming the team to a HUGE crisis that will require years to recover from is far from "statable".

If you are referring to me,

1. I have always thought all this " long term" and "stability" thing was overrated, fair enough if you have a 65 year old manager and a 43 yeae old at a similar level choose 43, but I'd never advocate choosing an inferior manager because they will likely stick around "longer term".

2. If the return ever happened, their would be no illusions this time,the second coming was an attempt at Mourinho settling down for the long term, it didn't work clearly, but I'd he came back again their would be no bullshhit or long term illusions, we would know two years and that will be that.

Obviously if we have a settled manager with a squad that play football the opposite of what he does, then it's simply not going to happen, but if we rock up hypothetically in say 2022 managerless with a squad that looks similar to Inters in 2008 in terms of player profile, and Mou is also looking for a new job, I can easily see the temptations for both parties.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

Jose Mourinho has confirmed he WILL start a new job in July.

[Styles 9,790]

Mourinho broke the club.

 

[Fernando 6,585]

It was all about him and his short termism look in winning trophies. 

Never thought about the future and why he sold our best young players. 

 

[Essien19 1,415]

i don't think that one employee is solely responsible for this mess, we're speaking about a multi-million pound Business.

'He is the hero Chelsea needs, but not the one it deserves'.

He took all the blame, the only one who got the boot for this so far, but he's not bad mouthing about us, he keeps his mouth shut!

But some people here love to stick it to him.

Some on here say 'only' a league title, that shows how spoilt some here have become, like Unionjack famously said: most of the fans of some Premier-League club would have happily given their left.... for seeing their team win it, but nowadays it's all about the treble or at least the right and only way to play footie, a bit how this voyeur cunt has successfully sold to his fanbase.

Some time ago Di Maria emphasized the importance of the players.

Sure a coach can influence them but only to a certain point, then the players have to show up!

We were right to sell most of the players but these days even the likes of Schurrle, Bertrand and so on have become so-called world beaters. Laughable! On this i agree with Tomo.

We have to look to the future, that's all what matters!

[MichaelDance 552]

On 10 March 2016 at 2:58 AM, Tomo said:

If the circumstances allow I can easily see him coming back for a third spell.

His long term managment has been exposed for all to see, but he is still the best in the business for instant success, appointing Jose almost guarantees a league title and gives you about a 40% chance if CL success, that will guarantee him top level jobs for the rest of his career and that could include a third spell here but that won't be for a good six years atleast.

He loves Chelsea, he loves us (the fans), he loves everything about Chelsea, the only thing I wish was that our owner felt the same way as he did.... If the owner did he would have kept Mourinho and sacked his  right man for the awful transfers and waste of the club / his money.

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

Just now, MichaelDance said:

He loves Chelsea, he loves us (the fans), he loves everything about Chelsea, the only thing I wish was that our owner felt the same way as he did.... If the owner did he would have kept Mourinho and sacked his  right man for the awful transfers and waste of the club / his money.

To be perfectly honest, you can't sack a technical director when its the manager who lost/upset the majority of the dressing room (which seems to be a recurring thing with him hence why hes never lasted more than 3 years at any club and likely won't).

Also how can anybody question Roman's feeling for the club either? People seem to forget we hadn't won a league title since 1955 before 2005. Sure we'd won European trophies and won FA cups, Charity Shields etc but the club is in the place it is right now as a global brand solely because of one mans ambition and that man is Roman Abramovich. Since he took over we have been the most successful English team in terms of winning trophies despite all the sackings and bumps along the way. 

Sure things have gone tits up to for people to question a man who's commitment has been shown in an investment of £1 billion or more is ridiculous. Just wait and see as well if Mourinho becomes Manchester United manager, it will show how much he "loves" Chelsea wont it?

[Alan Partridge 1,124]

Jose will win cups at United then lose the plot and will be gone within 2-4 seasons. Classic Jose 

[Essien19 1,415]

Jose will win cups at United then lose the plot and will be gone within 2-4 seasons. Classic Jose 

Winning cups at Chelsea's expense, but at least we'll play some nice footie, maybe some youngsters will leave because they want to win something, or maybe not, we'll see.

One thing is for sure: Winning trophies is very bad for Chelsea.

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

10 minutes ago, Alan Partridge said:

Jose will win cups at United then lose the plot and will be gone within 2-4 seasons. Classic Jose 

Still better than last 3 years under Moyes/van Gaal.

[MichaelDance 552]

6 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

To be perfectly honest, you can't sack a technical director when its the manager who lost/upset the majority of the dressing room (which seems to be a recurring thing with him hence why hes never lasted more than 3 years at any club and likely won't).

Also how can anybody question Roman's feeling for the club either? People seem to forget we hadn't won a league title since 1955 before 2005. Sure we'd won European trophies and won FA cups, Charity Shields etc but the club is in the place it is right now as a global brand solely because of one mans ambition and that man is Roman Abramovich. Since he took over we have been the most successful English team in terms of winning trophies despite all the sackings and bumps along the way. 

Sure things have gone tits up to for people to question a man who's commitment has been shown in an investment of £1 billion or more is ridiculous. Just wait and see as well if Mourinho becomes Manchester United manager, it will show how much he "loves" Chelsea wont it?

So you want a Technical Director who buys and brings in crap players? Wasting money but hey at least he's not on the technical box trying to get players to play for the club... Do you see how pathetic that sounds? If Mourinho bought in the awful players fair enough you can't sack the director sat in a warm boardroom choosing the next pathetic players to join our first team or loan back to their own club trying to get some more cash which is then re-blown.

I can question Roman's feelings, he claimed when he joined he loved watching Chelsea "I enjoy England and I'd like to see every Chelsea game"... And when asked if it's all about money he said no.

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"Money?" I ask Abramovich. "Is this deal about making a profit?"

He laughs. "No, it's not about making money. I have many much less risky ways of making money than this. I don't want to throw my money away, but it's really about having fun and that means success and trophies."

- Source (BBC)

Doesn't seem like that does it? It's all about money (profit from huge ticket prices, winning trophies... it even cost's the manager who loves the club inside and out).

Speaking about Mourinho at United... HE didn't want to leave Chelsea he was SACKED, so if you are sacked you can go into other companies / clubs. He still loves Chelsea but you have to make a living and he's a winner and he loves challenges too, you get both of them at the next biggest club in England. Minus City who is like third

[Tomo 21,751]

7 hours ago, MichaelDance said:

He loves Chelsea, he loves us (the fans), he loves everything about Chelsea, the only thing I wish was that our owner felt the same way as he did.... If the owner did he would have kept Mourinho and sacked his  right man for the awful transfers and waste of the club / his money.

Im sorry but to doubt Romans love for the club is upsurd.

Now I actually think Jose overachieved in his first two season's here back again, first season he took a team that was tip four challenging mid 70s points at best to a title challenge with 82 points, people go on about how Jose ruined a potentially great team, the way we were building this supposedly potential great team was all wrong, all style no substance, if Jose didn't return and sort some balance into it (hard working winger, Willian, solid centre mid, Matic) we would have been floating about in endless limbo, a lot of you wish both Mata and De Bruyne stayed, so I'm guessing the dream was Mata, Eden and De Bruyne behind the forward? I mean seriously, drunk Phil Mitchell has more balance than that trio on the same team, we would have got murdered on the break.

Also with the second season, we made quality signings and our squad was good enough to challenge for the league but not walk it, Jose made that difference, when theform dropped he adjusted tactics to keep us top.

Ive gone on a bit, but what I said is to get to this point, and to show I'm not one if the anti Jose crew but he fucked up this season and deserved the sack, there is no excuse in the world for having Chelsea one point of relegation after 16 games, you could say his track record should have brought him more time but it did, Mous history with the club and winning pedigree gave him ample chances to turn this around, anyone else would have been gone at worst after Saints and at best after Stoke.

[MichaelDance 552]

Then I question you why was Sir Alex Ferguson & Arsene Wenger not sacked when they had a bad run of games, and Arsene still hasn't won a good trophy (minus the FA cup) I mean BPL and Europe.... Because on your logic they would have been out the door long ago.

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

Just now, MichaelDance said:

So you want a Technical Director who buys and brings in crap players? Wasting money but hey at least he's not on the technical box trying to get players to play for the club... Do you see how pathetic that sounds? If Mourinho bought in the awful players fair enough you can't sack the director sat in a warm boardroom choosing the next pathetic players to join our first team or loan back to their own club trying to get some more cash which is then re-blown.

I can question Roman's feelings, he claimed when he joined he loved watching Chelsea "I enjoy England and I'd like to see every Chelsea game"... And when asked if it's all about money he said no.

Doesn't seem like that does it? It's all about money (profit from huge ticket prices, winning trophies... it even cost's the manager who loves the club inside and out).

Speaking about Mourinho at United... HE didn't want to leave Chelsea he was SACKED, so if you are sacked you can go into other companies / clubs. He still loves Chelsea but you have to make a living and he's a winner and he loves challenges too, you get both of them at the next biggest club in England. Minus City who is like third

Mourinho still had to say yes to the players though. Emenalo can pick out players, have them scouted and the suggest to buy them but if Mourinho says yes then he has the final say.

If Mourinho didn't want Hector, Papy or Pedro he just had to say no, the manager has final say.. they work with the technical director. Emenalo is the same guy who was influential in the scouting and recruitment of Courtois, Lukaku, Mata, Hazard, Willian, Fabregas, Costa and who ever else but he wasn't the guy saying yes at the final process, the managers were. Not every signing succeeds but if a manager doesn't truly want a player they shouldn't say yes when the technical director suggests them. The club has been well run in terms of finances the last 3 or 4 years to stick in with FFP too, so not everything is as bad as you make out. The summer window was poor yes but still Jose got Falcao (who was apparently the player he wanted the most all summer), Pedro, Begovic, Kenedy, Baba Rahmann (recommended to him and the club by Avram Grant) and whoever else.

And you can stop spinning the shit about if your sacked you can go into other companies and clubs, if he loves Chelsea he wouldn't go to manage United or City or whoever regardless. Jose said that the love affair with the club for Lampard ended as soon as he signed for City on loan or whatever and so by his standards it would be exactly the same for Jose. Ashley Cole played at Arsenal then moved here and said he'd never play for another English club out of respect to Chelsea, Gerrard the same for Liverpool and Terry will be the same when he goes in the summer. Jose cannot use such an excuse, Cech can't and Lampard couldn't either.  

Also how can you question Roman's feelings for the club? People were skeptical in case he got up and left after 2005-06 season taking money out of the club but he didn't and he has been here now for over 10 years. He has never took vast sums of money out of the club either but has heavily invested. Modern day Chelsea would never be what it is now if he hadn't came by. All your great modern day managers and players, your Mourinho's, Ancelotti's, Drogba's, Ballack's, Ashley Cole's etc would never have ended up coming here and the club wouldn't have grown to what it has done in terms of being recognized as a brand globally. 

[MichaelDance 552]

I'm not going to argue with you any more but who's bigger a DIRECTOR or a MANAGER? If I own a company the board is higher than any member of staff from managers to employees, or do you live in a different world to me?