The Mourinho Thread

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

Well, I'm wondering how he will "turn it around", since he lost 11 points to a massive City side in just 5 matches.

Guess it's all bullshit and everyone should just trust him. I've not seen more than 5 interesting Chelsea games since January, and that's being positive.

[Jase 43,479]

It's all about the three points, Jose said it himself!

He was very aggressive and explained well why the 3 season syndrome is fake and made up by the media, "google it", absolutely bossed it...

Loved the comment about the new haircut, Jose too.

Really? Mourinho was selective in his presser. Mentioned the trophies he won but conveniently ignored those off-the-pitch problems that occured between him and the board or players, which of course led him to being sacked/leaving the club.

On the other hand, he arguably showed more fight and desire in the presser than the players have been on the pitch recently.

[didierforever 7,349]

It's all about the three points, Jose said it himself!

He was very aggressive and explained well why the 3 season syndrome is fake and made up by the media, "google it", absolutely bossed it...

Loved the comment about the new haircut, Jose too.

Don't worry, it'll all be good!

thats true. even if we just keep playing this team, somewhere down the line, eden will show his class. costa will score a few and find his touch. matic will regain his start of last season form. azpi will again become the best defensive lb in the league. BUT, thats not how a league is won. thats how arsenal keep getting 4th spot.

[Fernando 6,422]

Well, I'm wondering how he will "turn it around", since he lost 11 points to a massive City side in just 5 matches.

Guess it's all bullshit and everyone should just trust him. I've not seen more than 5 interesting Chelsea games since January, and that's being positive.

Well turn it around to make top 4, have a good run in the CL and maybe win some small trophy like FA Cup and such.

That would be an okay season. Would be amazing if we have one young player get a lot of playing time like RLC and such.

[Billy. 2,742]

There was BANTER

[Essien19 1,415]

Yeah I know he will turn it around.

But if the clubs wants him for long term oh well.

I just don't think he should be here for more then 4 years but kudos to the club if they do decide to stick it out like Arsenal does with Wenger.

I disagree with you, but that doesn't mean that i don't respect your opinion.

Pesonally i prefer consistency and Jose Mourinho is well-known and well-respected in the world.

Furthermore most people refer him to Chelsea, that should mean something.

Yes, Mourinho didn't stay very long at his clubs for different reasons, but since his return,

he often said that he would like to stay here for a very long time and build a dynasty.

Football is always about short term; you have to win in the-here-and-now, especially at Chelsea.

Nobody does this better than Jose Mourinho.

Really? Mourinho was selective in his presser. Mentioned the trophies he won but conveniently ignored those off-the-pitch problems that occured between him and the board or players, which of course led him to being sacked/leaving the club.

On the other hand, he arguably showed more fight and desire in the presser than the players have been on the pitch recently.

That's private stuff which a classy person keeps in the house.

He almost always keeps up his hand of the bargain and delivers the goods.

That isn't simple, ask one of Mou' best friends, Mr. Rodgers or his arch enemy Mr.Wenger....

thats true. even if we just keep playing this team, somewhere down the line, eden will show his class. costa will score a few and find his touch. matic will regain his start of last season form. azpi will again become the best defensive lb in the league. BUT, thats not how a league is won. thats how arsenal keep getting 4th spot.

It isn't over yet, although the team must get back on track immediately, otherwise the crown is out of reach, that's right!

There is still the FA Cup, Curling Cup and the Champions-League.

Would you consider after winning one of this competitions or reaching the quarter finals in the Champions-League the season a failure?

I can only speak for myself, but cup is cup or the madness in the Champions-League and it has to be a good season,

on one condition: qualifying for the Champions-League next season!

That's a must because of economic reasons.

[GodZola 630]

Think there are some quality posts from both sides of the argument, however I also believe that some are being over zealous & premature in wanting an imminent Jose departure.

Even us staunch supporters of Jose simply cannot justify his current team selections which tbh is all I care about - I couldn't give a monkeys about what statement he comes out with next, it's what happens on the pitch that concerns me & he is simply not cutting it so deserves the flak coming his way.

I am truly baffled by his stubbornness & long for the old Jose that would haul off players before half time if they weren't performing, I was at the Palace game & the only person in the stadium that couldn't see that Ivanovich & Fabregas needed taking off was him! That said you attack & defend as a unit & teams are being afforded far too much space, whilst the defence is taking the brunt, our attack has simply become too bone idol, I feel for Matic, whilst he has been poor too he has far to much ground to cover, he needs help in there & Jose needs to show some bollocks & start dropping these overpaid lazy superstars, I said in my last post a month'ish ago that they have to take responsibility also.

I can't fathom why he has not changed the team - my only conclusion is he is actually after the sack?! I still believe he has been left high & dry by the transfer dealings of the board this summer, the fixtures in are pre season were poorly organised but I don't buy the players are tired crap, most teams are doing the same nowadays its just our players have become complacent & immuned from non selection. Things are certainly not right behind the scenes either, unfortunately we aren't privy to that.......yet!

Jose has earned the right to have the time to turn it around, City had a similar run last season in the months leading to the end of the title race but their board stuck by Pelligrino & then gave him another £160m to boot & look at them now?! However we've seen in the passed that Roman takes no prisoners so he needs to make the fundamental changes necessary & quickly & that's despite the board not backing him.

For those that won't Jose out I'm intrigued to find out how long will it take before you start berating your chosen appointment when things aren't going so smoothly?

I wonder, is it the better the devil we know.....

[Jase 43,479]

That's private stuff which a classy person keeps in the house.

He almost always keeps up his hand of the bargain and delivers the goods.

That isn't simple, ask one of Mou' best friends, Mr. Rodgers or his arch enemy Mr.Wenger....

That is true but like it or not, with Mourinho, he comes with an unwanted baggage and that has proved to be troublesome on more than one occasion.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Well, since it is a "game" based upon results... Not having good results might be just one problem but that is a huge one, isn't it...

If you hear the full press conference, that is almost literally his next sentence.

A lot of people only read quotes but I never take them seriously because they are almost always taken out of context. It's the journo's job to make everything sound controversial and that's often at the cost of reality.

Another example is the quotes of him saying that we don't have many problems. That's actually a response to a question about whether there are issues inside the squad between the players or the management.

[Muzchap 8,966]

The performances in the 2nd half of last season were clearly not a cause of concern as we were grinding out results, so I doubt he would have felt the need to address it then as we were winning games, and on track for the PL title.

This season is a different story as we are not even getting results, so you can guarantee Mourinho, who hates losing more then anyone, will be trying to address the problem.

But - that's a ridiculous statement - that's like heading towards an ice-berg and the last minute saying - Oooh shit - there's an iceberg!

The problems should have been addressed as they were happening - but it didn't happen and now it's worse than ever - have we reached a tipping point?

[Essien19 1,415]

...That said you attack & defend as a unit & teams are being afforded far too much space, whilst the defence is taking the brunt, our attack has simply become too bone idol, I feel for Matic, whilst he has been poor too he has far to much ground to cover, he needs help in there & Jose needs to show some bollocks & start dropping these overpaid lazy superstars, I said in my last post a month'ish ago that they have to take responsibility also.

I shortened you post, hope you don't mind.

In last game Mourinho decided to play Mikel next to Matic, the intention is clear.

It's broken and not easy to fix...

[Pacquiao 1,834]

But - that's a ridiculous statement - that's like heading towards an ice-berg and the last minute saying - Oooh shit - there's an iceberg!

The problems should have been addressed as they were happening - but it didn't happen and now it's worse than ever - have we reached a tipping point?

no its not!

they were not seen as problems last season as we were getting results and heading for the PL title! you make no sense, in the title run in its all about getting 3 points each game you play, performances don't matter as long as you win, Mourinho would have been focused on guiding us to the PL title, not trying to get the players to play better even though we were winning.

so your point makes no sense to me.

[Muzchap 8,966]

no its not!

they were not seen as problems last season as we were getting results and heading for the PL title! you make no sense, in the title run in its all about getting 3 points each game you play, performances don't matter as long as you win, Mourinho would have been focused on guiding us to the PL title, not trying to get the players to play better even though we were winning.

so your point makes no sense to me.

There you go.

Short term extremist view (last season) = current situation now.

In life you reap what you sow.

We failed to address the issues last season, and are now reaping the rewards this season.

That's the general gist of Mourinho complaints - his failure to see the bigger picture and put us in a 'progressive' position. We seem to be 'regressing' at an alarming rate.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

There you go.

Short term extremist view (last season) = current situation now.

In life you reap what you sow.

We failed to address the issues last season, and are now reaping the rewards this season.

That's the general gist of Mourinho complaints - his failure to see the bigger picture and put us in a 'progressive' position. We seem to be 'regressing' at an alarming rate.

this season is not the same as last season, last season we defended well and was able to grind out wins.

it made no sense at all last season to try and get the team playing better football when they were winning games in the title run in, no one could have predicted that suddenly for the first 5 games of this season we would lose all our ability to defend.

[Tomo 21,730]

Think there are some quality posts from both sides of the argument, however I also believe that some are being over zealous & premature in wanting an imminent Jose departure.

Even us staunch supporters of Jose simply cannot justify his current team selections which tbh is all I care about - I couldn't give a monkeys about what statement he comes out with next, it's what happens on the pitch that concerns me & he is simply not cutting it so deserves the flak coming his way.

I am truly baffled by his stubbornness & long for the old Jose that would haul off players before half time if they weren't performing, I was at the Palace game & the only person in the stadium that couldn't see that Ivanovich & Fabregas needed taking off was him! That said you attack & defend as a unit & teams are being afforded far too much space, whilst the defence is taking the brunt, our attack has simply become too bone idol, I feel for Matic, whilst he has been poor too he has far to much ground to cover, he needs help in there & Jose needs to show some bollocks & start dropping these overpaid lazy superstars, I said in my last post a month'ish ago that they have to take responsibility also.

I can't fathom why he has not changed the team - my only conclusion is he is actually after the sack?! I still believe he has been left high & dry by the transfer dealings of the board this summer, the fixtures in are pre season were poorly organised but I don't buy the players are tired crap, most teams are doing the same nowadays its just our players have become complacent & immuned from non selection. Things are certainly not right behind the scenes either, unfortunately we aren't privy to that.......yet!

Jose has earned the right to have the time to turn it around, City had a similar run last season in the months leading to the end of the title race but their board stuck by Pelligrino & then gave him another £160m to boot & look at them now?! However we've seen in the passed that Roman takes no prisoners so he needs to make the fundamental changes necessary & quickly & that's despite the board not backing him.

For those that won't Jose out I'm intrigued to find out how long will it take before you start berating your chosen appointment when things aren't going so smoothly?

I wonder, is it the better the devil we know.....

This this and this.

I don't think he has had as bad starts but im sure Fergie oversaw runs as bad as this

[Fernando 6,422]

This this and this.

I don't think he has had as bad starts but im sure Fergie oversaw runs as bad as this

Yes but if we are going to put up with bad season I would at least like to see good Fútbol or the intention of improvement, some youth development and someone not as controversial.

For the 3 seasons we are having with Mourinho it can easily be done by someone like pellegrini or klopp without all that noise.

Nothing this guy has done cannot be match by someone else.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Tactically speaking, Is there any reason to believe the bad spell and the terrible football won't continue? I'm not interested what Jose is or is not admitting. He is a man under pressure and his pressers just get more pointless and irrational after each bad result.

[didierforever 7,349]

It isn't over yet, although the team must get back on track immediately, otherwise the crown is out of reach, that's right!

There is still the FA Cup, Curling Cup and the Champions-League.

Would you consider after winning one of this competitions or reaching the quarter finals in the Champions-League the season a failure?

I can only speak for myself, but cup is cup or the madness in the Champions-League and it has to be a good season,

on one condition: qualifying for the Champions-League next season!

That's a must because of economic reasons.

lets be honest. we are 11 points off and given what we are attackingly, we are never gonna be as free scoring as city, so we literally need to make a 12 point gap. so the PL is over.

yes, these competitions are there.

QF in CL would be nothing. getting a top 4 after winning the PL walking the PL, last season, we conceded the PL defence in 5 games. no progression. there is no progression in our way of play. there is no progression in integrating youth.

whats the point of a top4 place with the same team as last year after winning the PL, and then regressing so poorly. if we had taken out mikel/ramires and integrates mvg/pasalic, i would have been fine. akes, bamfords, rlcs given a chance, then it would be good. but there is not a single thing that i feel we would be "progressing" in if we simply get a top4, qf in CL and a cup.