The Mourinho Thread

[mikeholiday 209]

since Chelsea FC have worn it. CFC have been crap. have you heard of bad luck by sponsors. that is the reason behind Yokohama Tyres is bad luck.

By the same logic, Chelsea is bad luck by sponsees.

[Blue Gino 377]

The board and Mourinho need to go on a retreat, spend a few days with Mother Nature and sing songs around a campfire. Really let their egos go and share feelings over some weinees and s'mores. Come back refreshed and get on the phones to make some deals.

[Fernando 6,585]

We have had unsuccessful years, but the stadium was always full and only United sell more kits than us. Fans support the team through thick and thin. Top football clubs in England have never received so much support in the history of football. It is silly to call for support when some fans criticize the player or manager that you are fan of.

I believe Mourinho wanted to become a legend o Premiere L. like Ferguson. He already left his mark but he is an ambitious guy who wants trophies and I am not sure if he will be happy and motivated if the money flows to develop the new stadium as he will have less funds to improve the team. He came here for titles. If he does not get the financial support he needs I expect more tantrums and drama caused by him.

Well if we are truly going to go spending less and want to rely more on youth then we got the wrong man for the job.

Can't expect a manager who's good with money to change his philosophy all of a sudden.

So again all this flows with what direction the club wants to go.

Best thing is wait till the end of the season and see what's going on.

[Parky 739]

To be realistic and fair to Jose it is way too early to be calling for his head. However I am angry like many others here with Jose's actions and stubbornness over the last two weeks.

I will say this though. If we do not fight closely for the title and we exit miserably in the CL while playing with exactly the same tactical approach and starting with the same XI with the likes Ivanovic, Ramires and Cesc as they consistently under perform than things could change. Many of his loyal followers may switch their way of thinking.

Jose need to know benching underperforming players is a big part of sports psychology and beneficial as it keeps players hungry and focused. Also having a more progressive and wider tactical approach is how success should be achieved in modern football. I believe the days of turning football into a street dog fight is limited in the success it can bring for a large and modern football club.

[CMS 382]

Barca had a torrid first half of the season last year. The coach had fall outs with his main stars and rumors flirted that Messi would be sold and all that, and what happened? They won a treble. They've lost games in their pre-season and just lost 4-0 to Athletico this last weekend, did the sky fall? Oh ye men of little faith and fickle minds, running down the forum with doomsday predictions, listening to rumors and gossips of people that do not care for our success. We've lost only one game and tied one. Geez! Arsenal hasn't won jack in 15 years, they still support their team.

These lots are jealous of the investments put in by Roman. Have you forgotten how we were so broke and had to have the stadium owned by stakeholders? Or how we so horrible at some point? I'll bet you none of you have ever invested in a team or anything of that nature. When you take your had earned money and put it a public venture for people to benefit from. All I hear is buy this, buy that. Is it your money? Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and see the difference. I have and I know what it feel like. Until you do, you don't know jack.

How quickly we forget? Have you forgotten how we did not have a team and floundered around for five years until we finally won the league back after 5 years? Now, all the armchair comedians are out in full force, telling us how we are going to perish and get relegated for some silly assumptions or the other. City is accepting applications, so is Arsenal and Man U. .I'd rather be left here with four Chelsea fans spurring our team on, than is a room with some of you lots. That said, that is my opinion. Chelsea 4life.

[CMS 382]

Well if we are truly going to go spending less and want to rely more on youth then we got the wrong man for the job.

Can't expect a manager who's good with money to change his philosophy all of a sudden.

So again all this flows with what direction the club wants to go.

Best thing is wait till the end of the season and see what's going on.

Then who is? Pep G. Benitez? Ancelotti? Dick Advocat? LVG? AVB? Please tell us.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

Then who is? Pep G. Benitez? Ancelotti? Dick Advocat? LVG? AVB? Please tell us.

Wenger, of course.

[Fernando 6,585]

Then who is? Pep G. Benitez? Ancelotti? Dick Advocat? LVG? AVB? Please tell us.

Well if the club wants to go with youth and spend less money then the best candidate is Klopp.

If they want to continue to challenge for trophy then the man is Mourinho.

So to me it depends what the club wants. And if the club wanted something else then why give Mourinho a 4 year contract?

Thus we will continue the same model and with that same model we must spend. Can't rely much on youth but spend money and Mourinho and the club has done little of this in this new season.

[Adnane 1,101]

At Chelsea, we are well supposed to know that with every manager comes a period of crisis, we all know that from the last 10 years.

Now as a Chelsea fan, if that ever happens, there isn't any manager in the history of football I'd like to have other than Mourinho.

Call us blinded or whatever you want, but if I'm willing to put blind faith in someone, let it be Mourinho, I just know things will get better and we'll challenge for the title as we should again come the end of the season.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

Well if the club wants to go with youth and spend less money then the best candidate is Klopp.

If they want to continue to challenge for trophy then the man is Mourinho.

It's so strange that apparently only Mourinho is a "guarantee for trophies".

It's not that Klopp didn't play European finals and stuff. ;-)

He just had the bad luck his team wasn't very rich so they lost their best players nearly every season.

This would not be the case at Chelsea.

[CMS 382]

Well if the club wants to go with youth and spend less money then the best candidate is Klopp.

If they want to continue to challenge for trophy then the man is Mourinho.

So to me it depends what the club wants. And if the club wanted something else then why give Mourinho a 4 year contract?

Thus we will continue the same model and with that same model we must spend. Can't rely much on youth but spend money and Mourinho and the club has done little of this in this new season.

Klopp? Forget I asked. You seriously think those kids are ready? We are not Sunderland trying to survive relegation you know. Those kids are three to four years away. At most, if we are aggressive, I'll say two years, which they are not.

[The Mak 4,459]

What you are saying is very interesting and can be related to another recent 'issue' : Ivanovic being undropable and vice-captain. The serbian has to be an emblematic figure into the dressing room (after Terry (and Mikel lol) he is our oldest serving player, after all) and by the looks of it, he is definitely Mourinho's "general" (undropable and VC).

So if what you are suggesting has some truths in it — and in my opinion, there are many —, one situation could explain the other. He wants a figure of the dressing-room to be by his side to act as a support so he is not singled out by the whole like what happen in Real..

That's exactly it though, how can José being so dogmatic about playing particular players not have a negative effect on the team? It's impossible. He says that any player can play themselves into the team, but we all know that is a load of shite.

He has his undroppables now like Ivanovic but he also refused to drop Hazard and Oscar at the start of his tenure even though they were playing poorly, forcing KDB and Mata out of the club. They (along with Schurrle, Salah and Luis) had it right, they knew Mourinho was a hypocrite in this regard. They left to benefit their careers but they were essentially pushed out by Mourinho because he plays favourites. Now we have a worse squad because of it and I would imagine it has a terrible effect on team unity at times like this when we're playing very poor.

[CMS 382]

It's so strange that apparently only Mourinho is a "guarantee for trophies".

It's not that Klopp didn't play European finals and stuff. ;-)

He just had the bad luck his team wasn't very rich so they lost their best players nearly every season.

This would not be the case at Chelsea.

Really? We have over a thousand posts crying about who didn't buy this year. So please come again..

[CMS 382]

Wenger, of course.

I knew it. Arsenal fan is disguise. Closet gunner.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

Really? We have over a thousand posts crying about who didn't buy this year. So please come again..

Chelsea never had to sell their best player because of a bigger club, with the possible exception of Robben.

You might not sign everyone you want, but at least you can keep a stable squad here.

[CMS 382]

Chelsea never had to sell their best player because of a bigger club, with the possible exception of Robben.

You might not sign everyone you want, but at least you can keep a stable squad here.

We have over another thousand posts suggesting that we are stagnated and should improve the squad. So if we are not buying and stagnated, how is that different from was described above as to the reason Klopp failed?

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

We have over another thousand posts suggesting that we are stagnated and should improve the squad. So if we are not buying and stagnated, how is that different from was described above as to the reason Klopp failed?

Come on man, you know what I mean. Bayern bought away Dortmund's best players. Lewandowski, Gotze...

That would be the same as Chelsea winning the league last year and Man Utd snatching Hazard and Costa.

The situations can't be compared.

[Fernando 6,585]

It's so strange that apparently only Mourinho is a "guarantee for trophies".

It's not that Klopp didn't play European finals and stuff. ;-)

He just had the bad luck his team wasn't very rich so they lost their best players nearly every season.

This would not be the case at Chelsea.

Well just because you do good with small budget doesn't mean you will work well with big budget.....

If we are going to spend money I rather keep Mourinho because he is already established in that with vast experience.

Klopp? Forget I asked. You seriously think those kids are ready? We are not Sunderland trying to survive relegation you know. Those kids are three to four years away. At most, if we are aggressive, I'll say two years, which they are not.

hmmmm not all at once, but if we use one or two each season and see how it goes. Surely it would be enough to get top 4.

Again like I said it depends what the club wants. And with giving Mourinho a 4 year contract it's clear what they want.

So it's a bit puzzling about the spending as of lately. Because Mourinho ain't a manager for youth.

[The Skipper 20,609]

We have over another thousand posts suggesting that we are stagnated and should improve the squad. So if we are not buying and stagnated, how is that different from was described above as to the reason Klopp failed?

We are buying. We've just brought in Baba and are linked with getting in Stones as well. It's different to what Klopp experienced at Dortmund because we aren't selling our best players every season.

People are complaining about the fact that we aren't addressing weaknesses in our squad that has been apparent from last season even - the RW and CM areas in particularly. They aren't complaining about us not spending any money because we are. It's just sad to see that we aren't strengthening in the areas where we need to.

[GodZola 630]

I do agree the lack of respect shown to Jose sometimes is mondblowing, I mean this is the best manager in the club's history ffs, however I can fully understand the concern with performances.

Today was horrible, the only time I have seen teams rip us to shreds like that was funnily enough Barca and Bayern on the way to the CL trophy but for obvious reasons no one was really bothered, Swansea were the better team at The Bridge, the "vibe" just isn't very good at the minute, and this is coming from someone who alwaystrys to find positives.

Although I am still behind Jose, if I'm honest I've made peace with the fact this season is going to be a bit of a flop (in comparison to our expectations set by the board and Jose himself) but I'm hoping he can see through it and we can rectify the mistakes of this window (unless we have a late splurge) and set ourselves up for future years because luckily this team is still at a good enough age for us to rectify not refreshing it before we stagnate ala 10/11 again.

Can't disagree Tomoz, I'm not naive enough to think we're not without problems, for me there is clearly something amiss behind the scenes that us menials are not privy too. However my gut feeling is José is getting frustrated with the lack of activity in bolstering his squad, even us layman's know that after a title winning season you have to strengthen & we need 3 or 4 quality players.

Jose picks the team & he has to take responsibility, however some of our players look so far off the pace its untrue, JT got the hook at half time but both Cahill & Iva were equally as bad, we might as well played with 10 men as Fabregas went AWOL, the whole squad bar Begovic look out of sync at the mo, maybe it's true that the players won't reach peak condition til Sept with the extended holiday he gave everyone, we've had a tough start & I expect City to win the league this year so hopefully our season starts now!