The Mourinho Thread

[Jase 43,479]

Mata never fit, KdB showed clearly - even with his own words, Mourinho's and his current manager's - he doesn't accept not being a nailed starter, so he wouldn't accept even to sit down some matches. Schurrle could have been a different story and I'm sis biggest fan, but he's been way too inconsistent despite being given plenty of chances to displace anyone from the starting XI. He failed to secure is spot time after time. Mata and Kev may have a point if they complain about chances given (I don't think they have much), but Schurrle definitely doesn't.

I can take your point regarding Mata and De Bruyne but not so much with Schurrle. Yes, I agree that he's inconsistent but if people can be patient with the likes of Oscar, Willian etc, then why can't they with Schurrle? He might not be talented but he has his qualities (e.g. scoring goals, which is one quality we're desperately lacking right now) and it's easy to forget that he's still young (only 25 years old - 1 year older than Oscar and 2 younger than Willian). Lets not also forget that he had that illness last season, which he and Mourinho admitted as much it affected his mental and physical fitness but we were quick to get rid of him. I don't necessarily think he wants to be an outright starter in the starting XI, like how De Bruyne wants it, but just proper game time, not 10-15 minutes here and there or 1 game here, 1 game there. With slightly better management, he wouldn't have felt unwanted and decided to leave (remember, he said he didn't want to leave the club but circumstances forced him to).

[Barbara 15,149]

I can take your point regarding Mata and De Bruyne but not so much with Schurrle. Yes, I agree that he's inconsistent but if people can be patient with the likes of Oscar, Willian etc, then why can't they with Schurrle? He might not be talented but he has his qualities (e.g. scoring goals, which is one quality we're desperately lacking right now) and it's easy to forget that he's still young (only 25 years old - 1 year older than Oscar and 2 younger than Willian). Lets not also forget that he had that illness last season, which he and Mourinho admitted as much it affected his mental and physical fitness but we were quick to get rid of him. I don't necessarily think he wants to be an outright starter in the starting XI, like how De Bruyne wants it, but just proper game time, not 10-15 minutes here and there or 1 game here, 1 game there.

Schurrle played much more than one game here and there and 10-15 minutes here and there. Your memory clearly fails you. People were complaining about how many chances he received and now they're complaining he didn't receive enough chances. The common denominator here is only one: complaining.

We can agree to disagree though.

[Jase 43,479]

Schurrle played much more than one game here and there and 10-15 minutes here and there. Your memory clearly fails you. People were complaining about how many chances he received and now they're complaining he didn't receive enough chances. The common denominator here is only one: complaining.

We can agree to disagree though.

He started games early in the season but his chances soon became limited during and after the illness. If he had been fully fit and still not made the most of them, then I would have agreed with you but there were factors why he failed to perform well and consistently, including those I mentioned in the previous post before the "10-15 minutes" part.

[Reddish-Blue 2,701]

Schurrle played much more than one game here and there and 10-15 minutes here and there. Your memory clearly fails you. People were complaining about how many chances he received and now they're complaining he didn't receive enough chances. The common denominator here is only one: complaining.

We can agree to disagree though.

Schurrle had only 3 games where he played more than 50 minutes (in the premier league) last season. Every other appearances 10-15 minute cameo.

[The Mak 4,459]

I have a feeling he does know very well. Hence the press insinuations (if they are true) towards the board. I think we have a bit of a backroom powerplay going on. José got his new contract, was it a compromise for the lack of investments this year? Is it something else? When José wants to adres an issue, he goes into Orwellian doublespeak in public. He did this on transfer, team dynamics and now transfers. He makes us guess, but that is just his forte. The Eva thing - just one mire decoy. But what is he hiding with all this? That is the real question! You don't go examining a smoke screen, you see why it is there.

I think it is his frustrations about the lack of strengthening transfers.

I'm starting to think like you that something must be going on in the background.

Is it a situation of the board saying to Mourinho 'Hey, we bought you Fabregas and Costa last year. We're not doing investing like that again until 2016/17' or have we gone in for someone like Griezmann and we've been told to come back next year (like with Costa) and we're keeping our money for a bigger deal like that? I don't know. Maybe we're saving up for something special. At least that's what I would hope, because I do think we have at least SOME money to spend; especially when you look at the likes of City's spending because I'm not sure where they are legitimately getting the cash to spend that amount every window with FFP. We just signed one of the most expensive shirt deals in history for fuck sake, there must be a reason why we're keeping our hands in our pockets.

[Barbara 15,149]

Schurrle had only 3 games where he played more than 50 minutes (in the premier league) last season. Every other appearances 10-15 minute cameo.

and many of them he wasn't even selected to play because of his illness. He played in UCL and also the domestic cups. Last season was atypical. He arrived later because of WC and drunk from winning it. He started a few matches and was subbed off, but the season prior to that he had enough chances to prove his worth. I wish he hadn't left, but he didn't want to stay. Also, even after he was cured from is disease, Willian was in much better form than he was. As I said he failed to displace players from the starting XI.

Edit: from August to December he started 13 matches for us in addition to the matches he was brought in. That's considerable amount of chances imo.

http://www.espnfc.com/player/136580/andre-schurrle?season=2014

[nono 791]

The manager is stubborn and plays favorites. The smart players (Kdb, Schurrle etc) realize this and leave instead of wasting precious years of their career. Lol @ selling KDB and getting Cuadrado. I take it that Cuadrado is happy to fight for his position ? How is that turning out though ?

[Pizy 19,377]

This thread makes for some depressing reading over this last page or two.

What's worse is that I kind of agree with a lot of what's being said. Many of us called it ages ago that we aren't strong enough to repeat what we did last season. I struggle to blame José here, though. At a time when we should have more money to bolster the squad than ever the purse strings are tightening. Also coincides with a period where our rivals are going crazy in the market.

If he was told he could spend a bunch I'm sure he would. I can't believe he's sticking with the exact same team as last season out of his own arrogance and stubbornness. He wouldn't harm his own chances by trying to prove a point, surely?

[Unionjack 7,532]

I find it strange that we can slag some players off that wont settle for being a team player and fight for his place instead of them wanting to be a definite starter yet others we say is totally understandable and kiss their arses and wish them luck so they can help the team I hate most in the world.

As for Mou and our defence it does my head in. He seems to have this blind faith and love of old defenders right now. I understand having a blance of young and experience but when other teams can openly see that our biggest weakness for them to attack is Bane/Cahill (like today) then just imagine what a better team is going to do. Bane had a new one ripped for him today and its not going to be pretty.

Its sad to see because as a man I imagine him to be as good for the lads as Drogs was. But I think as a player I dont understand why Mou keeps him.

[DDA 10,284]

The manager is stubborn and plays favorites. The smart players (Kdb, Schurrle etc) realize this and leave instead of wasting precious years of their career. Lol @ selling KDB and getting Cuadrado. I take it that Cuadrado is happy to fight for his position ? How is that turning out though ?

Just because Mourinho is a genius, doesn't mean that he gets it right all the time.

But

I tottaly understand what you are saying.

The Curadrado thing is an absolute joke and I reckon it was the board who purchased that joker.

[nono 791]

Just because Mourinho is a genius, doesn't mean that he gets it right all the time.

But

I tottaly understand what you are saying.

The Curadrado thing is an absolute joke and I reckon it was the board who purchased that joker.

It is not just Quadrado. Ivanovic has been done since last season when people started noticing that all our goals were being conceded down the right side. However, Mourinho refused to drop him. We let Luis go who should be playing for us in Ivanovic's place.

What I dont understand with Mourinho and this board is every year we have some deadwood players who we keep giving opportunity to although we know nothing good is going to come of it. Willian should not be playing for us, just as Kalou and Mikel should have been dropped long before they actually were. Instead we have talented youngsters who languish on the bench whom our manager will never play.

[Polo7 3,496]

After one draw the hate squad is out again. Im not even going to come on to this site when we lose.

[ice-boy 165]

After one draw the hate squad is out again. Im not even going to come on to this site when we lose.

I haven't read post match thread because i know how is.

https://twitter.com/1RobBeasley/status/630305989321998336

[Reddish-Blue 2,701]

After one draw the hate squad is out again. Im not even going to come on to this site when we lose.

No one is forcing you to come onto the site

[Essien19 1,415]

I think some of you guys should apply for the job, because the decisions which we have to make seem pretty simple...
Buy a new full-back, bench Ivanovic.
Buy a new central defender and bench Cahill, or give Zouma more playing time. Cahill isn't up for the job anymore, we need fresh blood!
Now it's Brane, last time i checked it was Azpilicueta, next time maybe Cahill?
Ahh even better, Eden Hazard, why? Because he is "fat", unselfish and has become a money-grabbing piece of ****
and doesn't love Chelsea anymore....
Football is a TEAM sport, but it's easier to find one scapegoat, i see.

Buy a new right winger, because Willian isn't effective as someone like Reus.

Ancelotti would have welcomed Ramires anytime at Real Madrid, but Ramires knows nothing, because there are a lot of football genius around here. We should ask our Daddy to buy as a new toy, maybe the Eiffel tower? The kids just wanna have fun....

Against Swansea, instead of Ramires, Zouma came in, but that wasn't the right call either, almost always moaning is the way to go!

Then we should play like Brendan Rodgers did against Chelsea, try to dominate and play the high defensive line, Avb all over again.
That time, we truly considered us invincible.
Gerrard: "“That game against Chelsea, with the slip, our tactical approach was probably inexperienced for the whole game - going out to try and blow Chelsea away."

I think that's the best strategy, do we have an agreement?

In the modern era it's very difficult for some people to show respect.
Like Mourinho said, everyone is now a football manager and knows best.

Mourinho won the league, but it isn't an achievement anymore, because the competitors weren't up for it, doesn't count, simple as that.

In the last couple of months i wasn't so happy either, i cried a lot for the Eiffel tower or some youth,
but now the season has started we should get behind the team and the manager.
Mourinho has shown more than once, that he is still one of the best coaches in the world, he instructs Ivanovic to play that way,
sometimes he has to be more defensive, remember the game against Arsenal/Sanchez? He kept him quiet, till it was over!

This isn't Fifa where you take only some numbers into consideration, you have to look at the whole package.
We are the Champions, we are the team to beat, a tie against Swansea isn't the end of the world, we will bounce back!

The approach against City will be different, a complete new game.
But if you guys decide, Mourinho isn't trustworthy or has lost his touch, because a league title and poor results in pre-season are the worst, maybe it's time for Abracadabra to interfere...but that would be a very sad day for me....

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Not buying this. Last season we had quick, proactive defenders in Zouma, Luis and Azpi, which could've allowed us to make a backbone of Luis - Terry - Zouma - Azpi. How often did we actually see this? Rarely if ever.

He's certainly had the options to play a quicker, more proactive back line but he refused to.

True but for some reason he loves his slow backline. He probably sees them as the leaders that the team needs. We seriously need more one on one defenders (like Carvalho used to do for us, and azpi now) that don't need the bus to be parked for them to have a good game.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

I find it strange that we can slag some players off that wont settle for being a team player and fight for his place instead of them wanting to be a definite starter yet others we say is totally understandable and kiss their arses and wish them luck so they can help the team I hate most in the world.

As for Mou and our defence it does my head in. He seems to have this blind faith and love of old defenders right now. I understand having a blance of young and experience but when other teams can openly see that our biggest weakness for them to attack is Bane/Cahill (like today) then just imagine what a better team is going to do. Bane had a new one ripped for him today and its not going to be pretty.

Its sad to see because as a man I imagine him to be as good for the lads as Drogs was. But I think as a player I dont understand why Mou keeps him.

In all fairness, from my view Cahill was easily the best defender on the pitch yday. Iva is getting too slow now, I'd prefer Aina or even Zouma play there to give some pace while we wait for a true RB.

[DYC. 7,542]

Any comments from Mourinho on this apparent red card syndrome? It seems seeing a player leaving the pitch, whether playing with ten men or even facing ten men, causes great distraught to our team.

I know receiving a red card is a pain and all, but it shouldn't be a death sentence.

[J.F. 1,484]

"Sack Mourinho and get Klopp"

[kellzfresh 7,229]

"Sack Mourinho and get Klopp"

Not a chance