The Mourinho Thread

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Some of you might think I'm talking shite but about half-way in the first half I thought to myself "fuck, we're winning this", before we looked like scoring, the way we were set up was perfect imo and the end result reflects that. Our defence just looked solid - proper solid, one of those games I just KNEW they weren't scoring, and to top it off, while it wasn't perfect our counter-attacking was good enough to cause them problems.

Basically my point is there really was no point in this game were I was ever worried, I knew the result would come and I hope we stick with the 4-3-3 in the bigger games, we look more compact.

I've still not got over the fact it's the first trophy for this new team, Mou's first trophy in a couple of years... brilliant.

(Also to the Canadian guy above, don't delete your account mate, no need. :blue scalf: )

Exactly, we played a proper 4-3-3 with zouma in the Makelele role. No need for pivot in the big games, we're too open whenever we play that.

The 4-3-3 allows the left cm and right cm (fab and ramires) to protect hazard and Willian when they go forward. And with ramires energy to join in the attack and still come back to defend it's a perfect fit.

I just hope we didn't play that formation just because Matic didn't play, we need to continue with it until cohesion in our counters is reached.

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

Majority of people acted like Vybz when Benitez was in charge. There was a ridiculous amount of negativity and people not supporting the manager and his decisions/tactics as is being preached here.

The guy has a different opinion to the majority and is voicing it...on a forum. No need for everyone to jump on the poor guys back or claim he isn't a supporter.

I certainly hope you stay Vybz Kartel. The forum would be boring if we all agreed with each other, I enjoy seeing things from other peoples perspective and hearing different opinions even if I don't agree with them.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,065]

Sorry I didnt know we are all yes man and we are supposed to follow one school line of thought??? This is a discussion forum not a propaganda site were one person's beliefs are forced on to the masses. I dont like Mourinho's brand of football but fair enough to him its showing results as witnessed by last night's win. But dont be naive and think that nothing could have gone wrong with his call last night, Spurs were clearly the better side in the 1st half and were unlucky to go down just before half time. We got the result yes, Mourinho proved me wrong yes, but that doesnt mean my argument was without credit, you come here and attack me with out any logical reason, just attacking me for not following the same train of thought u have?? Like I said this is a discussion forum and everyone has the right to their opinion which everyone must respect just the same way I respect your thoughts on Mourinho.

Just to end at the end of the day regardless of what you might think of me I am a Chelsea Fan and I love my club whether you approve it or not or whether Benitez, Mourinho, Avram Grant, Vialli, Glenn Hoddle is in charge.

Well said.

I am strongly pro-Jose so you and I will probably find ourselves on opposite sides of a few discussions, but, everything you say about expressing your views, and your right to self-identify as a Chelsea fan, is entirely correct. I find it hard to believe that anyone would disagree with a word of it.

I admit that I don't like the way you expressed your view and if you had any interest at all in my opinion I'd advise that you made your points in a different way. You are not subject to my veto on your style however, and nor should you be so keep posting please.

[DYC. 7,542]

Majority of people acted like Vybz when Benitez was in charge. There was a ridiculous amount of negativity and people not supporting the manager and his decisions/tactics as is being preached here.

The guy has a different opinion to the majority and is voicing it...on a forum. No need for everyone to jump on the poor guys back or claim he isn't a supporter.

I certainly hope you stay Vybz Kartel. The forum would be boring if we all agreed with each other, I enjoy seeing things from other peoples perspective and hearing different opinions even if I don't agree with them.

I like you, WHS (don't get any ideas).

[lionsden 4,689]

Why is it that every other top teams in Europe with comparable transfer budget to ours are able to balance success with attacking style of play in big games but it's apparently an impossible mission for us to achieve. What's the point of buying and having array of technically sound players if we intend to continue parking the bus. Football is just as much about success as it is about entertainment. ultra defensive football is tolerable when we win like on Sunday but looks beyond ridiculous when we lose like against Atletico last season.

There's absolutely no empirical evidence that disproves the link between quality/attacking football and success. The idea that our chances of winning a big game is weaker with attacking football is a myth invented by those who support everything jose does blindly. If this is how we want to approach every big game moving forward then we should just replace the likes of fabregas,hazard et al with highly mechanical and efficient players who are more suited to a defensive style.

Haven't said that, in reality, we weren't ultra defensive on sunday especially after JT's goal, we counter attacked spurs at every opportunity and it being a final makes it more justifiable but the problem is this is how we always approach every big or semi big game under jose. There has to be a balance.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Why is it that every other top teams in Europe with comparable transfer budget to ours are able to balance success with attacking style of play in big games but it's apparently an impossible mission for us to achieve. What's the point of buying and having array of technically sound players if we intend to continue parking the bus. Football is just as much about success as it is about entertainment. ultra defensive football is tolerable when we win like on Sunday but looks beyond ridiculous when we lose like against Atletico last season.

There's absolutely no empirical evidence that disproves the link between quality/attacking football and success. The idea that our chances of winning a big game is weaker with attacking football is a myth invented by those who support everything jose does blindly. If this is how we want to approach every big game moving forward then we should just replace the likes of fabregas,hazard et al with highly mechanical and efficient players who are more suited to a defensive style.

Because it is Jose Mourinho. When you ever see the teams he managed play attacking football consistently? Never

[Rom2013 446]

Why is it that every other top teams in Europe with comparable transfer budget to ours are able to balance success with attacking style of play in big games but it's apparently an impossible mission for us to achieve. What's the point of buying and having array of technically sound players if we intend to continue parking the bus. Football is just as much about success as it is about entertainment. ultra defensive football is tolerable when we win like on Sunday but looks beyond ridiculous when we lose like against Atletico last season.

There's absolutely no empirical evidence that disproves the link between quality/attacking football and success. The idea that our chances of winning a big game is weaker with attacking football is a myth invented by those who support everything jose does blindly. If this is how we want to approach every big game moving forward then we should just replace the likes of fabregas,hazard et al with highly mechanical and efficient players who are more suited to a defensive style.

Haven't said that, in reality, we weren't ultra defensive on sunday especially after JT's goal, we counter attacked spurs at every opportunity and it being a final makes it more justifiable but the problem is this is how we always approach every big or semi big game under jose. There has to be a balance.

THere are empirical evidence that we do a lot better than any other big team in Englad against big teams. 0 defeats against City in the League (2 wins and 2 draws), 0 defats against Arsenal in League (1 win and 2 draws), 4 wins against Liverpool in League, 0 defeats against Manchester Unuted (2 draws and 1 win), 1 defeat against Toteenham in League (1 draw and 2 wins).

About our counter attack one of the problems we have is that Hazard is a great attacking but he suffers in counter attack, the same for Fabregas, Oscar can't do ir aso. We should do a lot better in that, anyway we still are by far the best team en Englad in every aspect. Specialy

Hazard needs to improve a ot playing in counter attack, sometimes we seem Barcelona that didn't know what to do when they were in numerical superiority in attack, and every time tried to do the same.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Majority of people acted like Vybz when Benitez was in charge. There was a ridiculous amount of negativity and people not supporting the manager and his decisions/tactics as is being preached here.

The guy has a different opinion to the majority and is voicing it...on a forum. No need for everyone to jump on the poor guys back or claim he isn't a supporter.

I certainly hope you stay Vybz Kartel. The forum would be boring if we all agreed with each other, I enjoy seeing things from other peoples perspective and hearing different opinions even if I don't agree with them.

Someone has to said : "we doesn't mind having someone with different opinion in here, but the problem is with how the way you expressed it, with 'f*** here', 'f*** there' never sounds good, and it is become annoying a bit"

There I have said it

[lionsden 4,689]

Because it is Jose Mourinho. When you ever see the teams he managed play attacking football consistently? Never

And I get that but the issue is most posters are suggesting his ultra defensive football is our best and only chance of winning against big teams. this might be the case for the smaller teams operating on limited budget but not a top team that aspires to join the very elite in Europe. We shouldn't be approaching every game against top 6 teams domestically and in Europe with the same set up and mentality as a team like Leicester city for example. This approach is not too bad every now and then when it's actually necessary but not literally every time.

He's not using the squad to its full potential and capacity imo. Zlatan said it best, to paraphrase him,when you buy.have a ferrari, you don't drive it like a fiat. the more balance approach will be to allow the attacking players attack and the defensive players to defend and depending on the situation, roles can be reversed or mixed.

[lionsden 4,689]

THere are empirical evidence that we do a lot better than any other big team in Englad against big teams. 0 defeats against City in the League (2 wins and 2 draws), 0 defats against Arsenal in League (1 win and 2 draws), 4 wins against Liverpool in League, 0 defeats against Manchester Unuted (2 draws and 1 win), 1 defeat against Toteenham in League (1 draw and 2 wins).

Yet there's no evidence that another style (a more balanced style) wouldn't work or be as effective with the type of players we have. We have the quality to win big games without going the ultra defensive route. and no one is advocating a gungho style neither but to attack and defend sensibly rather than full on defensive.

About our counter attack one of the problems we have is that Hazard is a great attacking but he suffers in counter attack, the same for Fabregas, Oscar can't do ir aso. We should do a lot better in that, anyway we still are by far the best team en Englad in every aspect. Specialy

Hazard needs to improve a ot playing in counter attack, sometimes we seem Barcelona that didn't know what to do when they were in numerical superiority in attack, and every time tried to do the same.

So players like hazard and Fabregas, who aren't suited to that style of play, have to adapt but the manager shouldn't try to be more tactically flexible to get the best out of them?

[Rom2013 446]

And I get that but the issue is most posters are suggesting his ultra defensive football is our best and only chance of winning against big teams. this might be the case for the smaller teams operating on limited budget but not a top team that aspires to join the very elite in Europe. We shouldn't be approaching every game against top 6 teams domestically and in Europe with the same set up and mentality as a team like Leicester city for example. This approach is not too bad every now and then when it's actually necessary but not literally every time.

He's not using the squad to its full potential and capacity imo. Zlatan said it best, to paraphrase him,when you buy.have a ferrari, you don't drive it like a fiat. the more balance approach will be to allow the attacking players attack and the defensive players to defend and depending on the situation, roles can be reversed or mixed.

THe team is not supposed to play like we did in the first half of the game against Tottenham, or some other games. Our counter attack has a clear problem that needs to be solved,

About the attacking game of Mourinho... Real Madrid was a complete machine 3 years ago (in my opinion a lot better than they were last season or this season), and Inter and Chelsea were increadible well balanced teams. Porto with the tools Mourinho had was the most impressive team I've ever seen.

This team is not there yet... and we need to do some changes.

[Fernando 6,585]

Why is it that every other top teams in Europe with comparable transfer budget to ours are able to balance success with attacking style of play in big games but it's apparently an impossible mission for us to achieve. What's the point of buying and having array of technically sound players if we intend to continue parking the bus. Football is just as much about success as it is about entertainment. ultra defensive football is tolerable when we win like on Sunday but looks beyond ridiculous when we lose like against Atletico last season.

There's absolutely no empirical evidence that disproves the link between quality/attacking football and success. The idea that our chances of winning a big game is weaker with attacking football is a myth invented by those who support everything jose does blindly. If this is how we want to approach every big game moving forward then we should just replace the likes of fabregas,hazard et al with highly mechanical and efficient players who are more suited to a defensive style.

Haven't said that, in reality, we weren't ultra defensive on sunday especially after JT's goal, we counter attacked spurs at every opportunity and it being a final makes it more justifiable but the problem is this is how we always approach every big or semi big game under jose. There has to be a balance.

I think it's time you and everyone else that expect attacking futbol from Mourinho come to realization that it will never happen.

Mourinho has been and will always be a conservative coach.

The problem here is people trying to mask Mourinho for something he is, like the Liga of record goals.

There's a difference of playing futbol against the like of Elche, Swansea, Sunderland, Betis and all those teams.

You can play more offensive but in all the big games Mourinho on average has been more conservative.

He will be like that now and for the future.

[Rom2013 446]

Yet there's no evidence that another style (a more balanced style) wouldn't work or be as effective with the type of players we have. We have the quality to win big games without going the ultra defensive route. and no one is advocating a gungho style neither but to attack and defend sensibly rather than full on defensive.

So players like hazard and Fabregas, who aren't suited to that style of play, have to adapt but the manager shouldn't try to be more tactically flexible to get the best out of them?

They need to adapt... or they need to go play for Barcelona 5 years ago, because there are no team in the world that plays always in attack... they need to improve, specially Hazard that is still young and can do it.

That's the reason why for example Willian is a starter and he is not going anywhere... Willian can play attacking football, can defend, can counter attack. And that's the basic thing we should ask from all our players.

[Tomo 21,751]

Yet there's no evidence that another style (a more balanced style) wouldn't work or be as effective with the type of players we have. We have the quality to win big games without going the ultra defensive route. and no one is advocating a gungho style neither but to attack and defend sensibly rather than full on defensive.

So players like hazard and Fabregas, who aren't suited to that style of play, have to adapt but the manager shouldn't try to be more tactically flexible to get the best out of them?

And we have done just that in many big games since Mous return.

Arsenal at home twice, Liverpool at home (anyone other than us scores a goal like Hazards equalise and that would have been used by all insundry as the way footballsshould be played), City at home last season (extra forward brought on), United away this season before the last twenty. United home.

Fergie adopted this type of approach in his last decade in football management, many big games he "parked the bus" every bit as much as Jose did, including against Barcelona in 2008 with arguably his best United team.

There will be big games were we defend really deep, but there will be many like the Liverpool game last season when we pressed them high, went all at them and they simply couldn't cope.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Best thing about 4-3-3 is that it leaves our defence far less exposed, and GC is great in a low block defending routine

Tibo

Iva Cahill JT Azp . (Or Zouma)

Matic

Ram . Cesc

Juan Diego Hazard

Mmm me likey