Tomo 21,754 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 You are missing the point. No one is talking about going gungho especially when ahead by two goals. I used Man city as reference because they manage the game much better than us ,and bar one or two games this season, they rarely lose or draw from a wining position because of it. How many points have we dropped this season from a winning position? quite a lot is the answer. which would suggest that our way isn't working. if you keep losing leads then you need to rethink your strategy.Fair enough, although I don't think this team are equipped to go for it and risk the counter, it's catch 22 at the moment as I believe the squad is still evolving one way or another, im sure our activity in the summer will help like we fixed the majir issues last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,754 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Just remembered that's the same pivot we used against Bradford lol. It's no wonder we couldn't hang on today when it was that duo playing together again.Played for the last 20 vs Bradford as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Another option would be that pose last year Jose against Atletico de Madrid when Jose put Azpilicueta ahead of Ivanovic on the right side. Maybe this year Jose place Luis Filipe on the left side ahead of Azpilicueta.Jose only played Azpi there to man-mark Luis. I don't think he will do anything like that this game because we need to change things more in the middle of the park than out wide, and I don't see Jose changing so many positions so drastically. I can see Cahill playing in the midfield next to Ramires and probably Cesc. Most of the realistic options seem quite bad in theory though, but I guess we will have a whole week to practise it in training whatever it ends up being. Played for the last 20 vs Bradford as wellIt really is an awful combination and I hope to never see it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supporter 3,088 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Jose only played Azpi there to man-mark Luis. I don't think he will do anything like that this game because we need to change things more in the middle of the park than out wide, and I don't see Jose changing so many positions so drastically. I can see Cahill playing in the midfield next to Ramires and probably Cesc. Most of the realistic options seem quite bad in theory though, but I guess we will have a whole week to practise it in training whatever it ends up being.It really is an awful combination and I hope to never see it again.Hi!I think that Cahill in the center would be an option too risky. So I talk about Filipe Luis. Maybe Jose Luis Filipe now is a player who attacks still too much to replace Azpilicuela. So I think that maybe placing ahead of Filipe Luis Azpilicueta may be a good option.When we defend, Jose always placed a false defense of 5 players placing Matic or Willian on the sides and three centre-backs.Considering the big void which is the sanction of Matic, Filipe Luis can generate much more football than Cahill. Therefore I would choose Filipe Luis.Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Iva trying to prevent the ref from showing Matic a red card was hilarious. love the big guy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 The sanction of Matic is like a kick in our mouth. I think he is totally irreplaceable. But now we start thinking like replace him.I think that although it sounds crazy, Ruben Loftus-Cheek's the only chance we have on the bench to replace Matic. I do not know how, maybe with a defense of 5 with three Centre-back and playing with Ruben Loftus-Cheek - Ramires - Fabregas.Ramires is impossible to occupy as much space as it does Matic. Therefore, Ramiresneed another midfielder with him. With Mikel injured, I think the ideal would Loftus Cheek to mate with Ramires player. Maybe Nathan Ake has characteristics similar to Ramires (although Ake can better distribute the ball).I think Ramires - Fabregas - Willian would be too risky. Maybe Willian in the left side with Loftus-Cheek, Ramires, Fabregas in the center would be a good option.The finals maybe are not good day to do experiments.But it is also true that maybe placing Ruben Loftus-Cheek may be our best option, an unexpected choice that may surprise our opponents.The sanction to Matic leaves little margin for reaction. Mikel is injured ... Wow! Damned red card!Another option would be that pose last year Jose against Atletico de Madrid when Jose put Azpilicueta ahead of Ivanovic on the right side. Maybe this year Jose place Luis Filipe on the left side ahead of Azpilicueta.There are many possibilities, but none as Matic.The main objective for us must be given full freedom of movement for Fabregas. Fabregas need more freedom. No having to worry about nothing more than create football.Option 1. Courtois Zouma John TerryIvanovic Azpilicueta Ramires Loftus-Cheek Willian Filipe Luis Fabregas (False position) Diego Costa HazardIn defense. Courtois Zouma John Terry Azpilicueta (As false Centre-Back)Ivanovic Filipe Luis Willian Ramires Loftus-CheekI think with Filipe Luis in the starting eleven we can take the risk of putting Ruben Loftus-Cheek as midfield, despite being a final.I believe that placing Ramires and Fabregas alone in midfield could be too risky.If Mikel does not recover for next Sunday Ruben Loftus-Cheek or Nathan Ake must be our starting eleven. True, it is risky to play with young boys a final, but it is also true that it would be very risky to change our usual game, where the position Matic is always present.I hope your comments.Regards.Regards to ALL.I agree, but don't forget Ake is a real holding DM, unlike a box to box like Ramires, and I believe RLC is also technically a CM/B2B rather than a DM. I think a 5 man defence might be interesting, but if we do that we face the same problem in that the midfield will collapse and will invite pressure that even a 3 man centre back team might fail within. If Ake can successfully emulate the 'Matic role' to any degree we might be able to get away with it. It might be a good thing in some way to play RLC with him, as you said, because they will have a good understanding of each other, and I think if Jose shows 'big balls' he might do, but I believe that if Ramires is fit, by default he will start, which is annoying because personally I don't believe he's capable enough to be anywhere near a Chelsea team, I never really have done. I think, though, that it might be a good idea to play Zouma in a false 4-3-3 pivot, though, he has the right build and he's good on the ball, and naturally he will defend like a beast. If we play him then by default we will be planning to play a low defensive block, ideal for Terry and Cahill, who even with those who don't like him, showed up in the same system last season when we were good at grounding out 'ugly wins' and that is what we should be aiming to do, because we have the capability to do it. With that in mind, we could employ a 4-3-3 or pack out the midfield to fully replace Matic (what a loss!) with a 3-5-2 or even play a 4-4-2, because right now Diego needs help.In a 4-4-2 diamond: CourtoisIva Cahill Terry Luis - The fullbacks provide the width in the system, which allows us to overload the midfield. Zouma - Provides Matic-style shielding of the CBs if he's capable, or on a most basic label and act as a false CB. His movement will help greatly. Ake - Rami/RLC - Mostly acts as DM/CM pivot but not completely, which means Ramires should not be creating, but holding possession and looking to simply draw the opposition. Hazard - No 10 style role. Pretty much what Cesc usually does, but he is not in form and we can't risk a passenger. Costa RemyRemy and Costa aid each other as Costa gets back to fitness. Cesc on the bench to give us options there, and one of RLC and Ramires on the bench too. Cuadrado can interchange with Iva, Azpi on the bench too as he can either be a false CB or an LB. If Zouma gets injured then Ake will have to drop back into his role and RLC/Rami where Ake is. Cesc can go where Hazard is, Drogs can go up front. Christensen will have to be a last resort. If we get further midfield injuries Oscar can come on, or Willian.IMO, this is the best way to stretch our very thin midfield squad. What do you think, Supporter? I doubt Mou would change his formation so much, but he did play a back 3 when we were at 10 men. Bench: Cech, Azpi, Christensen, RLC/Rami, Cesc, Willian/Cuadrado, Drogba supporter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! lionsden 4,689 Posted February 21, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted February 21, 2015 Fair enough, although I don't think this team are equipped to go for it and risk the counter, it's catch 22 at the moment as I believe the squad is still evolving one way or another, im sure our activity in the summer will help like we fixed the majir issues last.Its not even about going for the killer blow. The best way to see out a game for me is to frustrate the opponent by starving them of posession, keeping the ball really well, slowing the game down, high pressing, drawing fouls etc all of which falls under game/time management. We rarely do these things. What we do instead is give away posession cheaply and just sit back to defend deep and hoping for the best,inviting unneccessary pressure which usually backfires. IMOit's a tactical issue because I believe we have ebough quality in the team to see out games much better than we have been doing this season. DYC., laura90, Reddish-Blue and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supporter 3,088 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I agree, but don't forget Ake is a real holding DM, unlike a box to box like Ramires, and I believe RLC is also technically a CM/B2B rather than a DM. I think a 5 man defence might be interesting, but if we do that we face the same problem in that the midfield will collapse and will invite pressure that even a 3 man centre back team might fail within. If Ake can successfully emulate the 'Matic role' to any degree we might be able to get away with it. It might be a good thing in some way to play RLC with him, as you said, because they will have a good understanding of each other, and I think if Jose shows 'big balls' he might do, but I believe that if Ramires is fit, by default he will start, which is annoying because personally I don't believe he's capable enough to be anywhere near a Chelsea team, I never really have done. I think, though, that it might be a good idea to play Zouma in a false 4-3-3 pivot, though, he has the right build and he's good on the ball, and naturally he will defend like a beast. If we play him then by default we will be planning to play a low defensive block, ideal for Terry and Cahill, who even with those who don't like him, showed up in the same system last season when we were good at grounding out 'ugly wins' and that is what we should be aiming to do, because we have the capability to do it. With that in mind, we could employ a 4-3-3 or pack out the midfield to fully replace Matic (what a loss!) with a 3-5-2 or even play a 4-4-2, because right now Diego needs help.In a 4-4-2 diamond: CourtoisIva Cahill Terry Luis - The fullbacks provide the width in the system, which allows us to overload the midfield. Zouma - Provides Matic-style shielding of the CBs if he's capable, or on a most basic label and act as a false CB. His movement will help greatly. Ake - Rami/RLC - Mostly acts as DM/CM pivot but not completely, which means Ramires should not be creating, but holding possession and looking to simply draw the opposition. Hazard - No 10 style role. Pretty much what Cesc usually does, but he is not in form and we can't risk a passenger. Costa RemyRemy and Costa aid each other as Costa gets back to fitness. Cesc on the bench to give us options there, and one of RLC and Ramires on the bench too. Cuadrado can interchange with Iva, Azpi on the bench too as he can either be a false CB or an LB. If Zouma gets injured then Ake will have to drop back into his role and RLC/Rami where Ake is. Cesc can go where Hazard is, Drogs can go up front. Christensen will have to be a last resort. If we get further midfield injuries Oscar can come on, or Willian.IMO, this is the best way to stretch our very thin midfield squad. What do you think, Supporter? I doubt Mou would change his formation so much, but he did play a back 3 when we were at 10 men. Bench: Cech, Azpi, Christensen, RLC/Rami, Cesc, Willian/Cuadrado, DrogbaHi friend!Very interesting your comments.Yes, I agree that maybe placing Cahill could be interesting. Cahill has much experience. That is very important for the finals. Maybe Jose did not make Zouma against PSG by his inexperience in big games.Put Cahill in our starting eleven would also allow us to create a security wall in our defense. That would help greatly to our team.Regarding Nathan Ake, I prefer to Ruben Loftus-Cheek because Ruben has some physical characteristics like Matic. His physical deployment is bigger than Nathan Ake. Obviously Ake would also be a good option. And this guy has a mental strength for strong emotions.And having Filipe Luis on the bench would give us the ability to have a backup in case we needed it revolutionize the game.Thinking coolly, having Filipe Luis, Oscar and Remy on the bench would be important if the development of the game is not like us we thought before the match.Cahill - John Terry with Zouma (with more freedom and less pressure) would also be a good option.Regards.Regards to ALL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edetarod 2,155 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 has to figure out a way for us to score more than 1 goal a game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Hi friend!Very interesting your comments.Yes, I agree that maybe placing Cahill could be interesting. Cahill has much experience. That is very important for the finals. Maybe Jose did not make Zouma against PSG by his inexperience in big games.Put Cahill in our starting eleven would also allow us to create a security wall in our defense. That would help greatly to our team.Regarding Nathan Ake, I prefer to Ruben Loftus-Cheek because Ruben has some physical characteristics like Matic. His physical deployment is bigger than Nathan Ake. Obviously Ake would also be a good option. And this guy has a mental strength for strong emotions.And having Filipe Luis on the bench would give us the ability to have a backup in case we needed it revolutionize the game.Thinking coolly, having Filipe Luis, Oscar and Remy on the bench would be important if the development of the game is not like us we thought before the match.Cahill - John Terry with Zouma (with more freedom and less pressure) would also be a good option.Regards.Regards to ALL.yes, exactly - I think both RLC and Ake should play, as they are experienced and have played together in the development sides. Zouma behind them in my lineup as a false 6 or CDM role. We might need extra experience, so it might be an idea to draft in Cech too, as having Zouma, RLC, and Ake in the same lineup would undoubtably have its risks, while your plan allows for a change in play style which mine doesn't really have - Other than maybe Cesc, there are no 'super subs'. We'll see. This lineup is very reliant on Hazard for the creative flair, but I think he can deliver. supporter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,532 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Although I think we played well in the majority of today we seem to have lost the flow we had at the begining of the season. Im not sure whether its Mou driving defence into the lads and not giving the the courage/freedom to go forward. We were so fast on the break before so us playing defensively wasnt that bad because we were scoring the goals to win.Im not going to beat up Mikel and rami because theyve had good games but this season specially those games have been far and few between. we have no real alternative for either Matic or Cescy which is a big problem. Its tempting to use RLC and Ake against Spurs butwith Kane like he is then Zouma could just be one to think about. I have a feeling Costa just needs to get a goal as you see hes getting it together but as for the midfield I hope its summet that winning some form of silverware can sort out come the summer but till then we just have to use what we got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 has to figure out a way for us to score more than 1 goal a game There's nothing much he can do when the players can't even play simple 5-10 yard passes and work in tandem with one another.On the other hand, kinda frustrated by our lack of threat from set pieces. We have quite a few physical and tall players in the side and yet, we have hardly scored enough from corners and/or free kicks. The passes/crosses have always been underhit or gone straight to the goalkeeper. didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid Angel 2,130 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Mourinho is at fault at a lot of things but not for losing the two points today. Stop trying to blame it on him. We got robbed by that old cunt Atkinson, simple as that. kellzfresh, robdog, Chelsea Legend 11 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleO 192 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I liked his reaction after the match. The media were trying their best to irritate him and give some comments about the referees, but he denied. supporter and darrus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svajo 153 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 http://www1.skysports.com/watch/tv-shows/goals-on-sunday/news/9726727/jose-mourinho-heads-to-goals-on-sunday-sofa-to-talk-chelsea-and-refereesWatch Jose Mourinho on Goals on Sunday, live from 11am on Sky Sports 1. hmm I wonder what will he say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdottenx 20 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 http://www1.skysports.com/watch/tv-shows/goals-on-sunday/news/9726727/jose-mourinho-heads-to-goals-on-sunday-sofa-to-talk-chelsea-and-refereesWatch Jose Mourinho on Goals on Sunday, live from 11am on Sky Sports 1. hmm I wonder what will he say.Where can we watch that online? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 http://www1.skysports.com/watch/tv-shows/goals-on-sunday/news/9726727/jose-mourinho-heads-to-goals-on-sunday-sofa-to-talk-chelsea-and-refereesWatch Jose Mourinho on Goals on Sunday, live from 11am on Sky Sports 1. hmm I wonder what will he say.http://media0.giphy.com/media/gl0mkIZOW6Nwc/200_s.gif supporter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Jose is ramping up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroey 2,525 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Jose is ramping up!What does he says? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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