Juan Cuadrado

[lionsden 4,689]

Last season wasn't the only anomaly. He's been consistently far more productive and creative than Willian.

This season isn't exactly Cuadrado's best season, but his stats are still far better than Willian's:

In fact, this season Cuadrado made more assists per 90 minutes than even Hazard(0.27 vs 0.19) and scored about the same amount of goals from open play per 90 as Hazard (0.27 goals per 90 minutes).

You are forgetten one key factor here, appearances. since 2011, these are Cuadrado's apps as a starter 11/12 - 32, 12/13- 34 , 13/14- 31 compared that to willian's 11/12- 25, 12/13 -15, 13/14- 22.

Obviously the player with significantly more minutes on the pitch not only has the advantage and opportunity of recording better stats in terms of goals and assist but also has the luxury of playing himself back into form which the player with significantly less munute does not enjoy.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

You are forgetten one key factor here, appearances. since 2011, these are Cuadrado's apps as a starter 11/12 - 32, 12/13- 34 , 13/14- 31 compared that to willian's 11/12- 25, 12/13 -15, 13/14- 22.

Obviously the player with significantly more minutes in the pitch not only has the advantage and opportunity of recording better stats in terms of goals and assist but also there's the luxury of playing yourself back into form which the player with significantly less munute does not enjoy.

These are stats per 90 minutes played, not by appearances or totals, and this season they played about the same amount of minutes anyway.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Youre racist if you compare Cuadrado to Willian. They couldn't be anymore different. Sick of seeing that comparison when they couldn't be anymore different. It's so incredibly lazy.

[Rekin 835]

You are forgetten one key factor here, appearances. since 2011, these are Cuadrado's apps as a starter 11/12 - 32, 12/13- 34 , 13/14- 31 compared that to willian's 11/12- 25, 12/13 -15, 13/14- 22.

Obviously the player with significantly more minutes on the pitch not only has the advantage and opportunity of recording better stats in terms of goals and assist but also has the luxury of playing himself back into form which the player with significantly less munute does not enjoy.

Most of those stats are averages rather than absolute values. High averages are harder to keep up for a prolonged amount of time.

Say a player has three amazing games and then gets injured for the rest of the season, it will lead to very high averages for that player. Another might play the whole season with very good games mixed in with the occasional bad one and because of it end up with far lower averages.

Willian has played more than enough games to show his true self.

[ayoub costa 19]

douglas costa is another name in papers this morning .maybe if we don't bay cuarado we go to douglas costa player os shartakh

is right winger .very good player

[killer1257 3,282]

douglas costa is another name in papers this morning .maybe if we don't bay cuarado we go to douglas costa player os shartakh

is right winger .very good player

His stats aren´t that impressive.Willian had much better stats when he played for them

[lionsden 4,689]

These are stats per minutes played, not by appearances, and this season they played about the same amount of minutes.

Even if the stats is acknowledge, is the stats difference significant enough to spend another 30m on Cuadrado? Is Cuadrado a much better player than Willian overall and would he be a significant upgrade to justify spending that kind of money on him. These are the concerns and uncertainty that those of us against this tranfer are expressing. stats or not, most posters have seen Cuadrado play on a regular basis and do not feel he's an upgrade on what we already have.

heck Schurrle has better stats than Willian and Cuadrado yet he's not a starter nor popular with the fans. so it's more than just stats sometimes.

[DYC. 7,542]

True, but it goes both ways: Willian plays for a far superior team, with far better players, and racking up assists and goals should be easier for him.

If you're not good enough to play at a certain level, you'll end up looking (a lot) worse than you actually are.

Comparing stats is never a good idea imo.

[lionsden 4,689]

Most of those stats are averages rather than absolute values. High averages are harder to keep up for a prolonged amount of time.

Say a player has three amazing games and then gets injured for the rest of the season, it will lead to very high averages for that player. Another might play the whole season with very good games mixed in with the occasional bad one and because of it end up with far lower averages.

Willian has played more than enough games to show his true self.

schurrle has better stats overall (offensive stats as they are all offensive players) than Cuadrado thorughput the course of their careers, why do you want Cuadrado instead since it's all about stats right?

[ayoub costa 19]

His stats aren´t that impressive.Willian had much better stats when he played for them

mybe mourinho kick out shurrle and salah out .and bring two new winger cuadrado and douglas costa .we must bay new winger .salah is very bad player no creativity no talent .willian he didn't score .shurrle is good for me

[Daniel1980 1,425]

Even if the stats is acknowledge, is the stats difference significant enough to spend another 30m on Cuadrado? Is Cuadrado a much better player than Willian overall and would he be a significant upgrade to justify spending that kind of money on him. These are the concerns and uncertainty that those of us against this tranfer are expressing. stats or not, most posters have seen Cuadrado play on a regular basis and do not feel he's an upgrade on what we already have.

heck Schurrle has better stats than Willian and Cuadrado yet he's not a starter nor popular with the fans. so it's more than just stats sometimes.

The only significant Schurrle's stat that is better than Willian and Cuadrado's is goals per minutes played, but when it comes to that, he makes even Hazard look like Eden doesn't have end product. In everything else: chance creation, dribbling and assisting Andre is much worse even stats-wise.

If you're not good enough to play at a certain level, you'll end up looking (a lot) worse than you actually are.

Comparing stats is never a good idea imo.

I compared their stats only to address lionsden's erroneous statement that "Even stats wise, last season was the only abnormally." That's not true.

[The Mak 4,459]

- Too pricey.
- Probably only a replacement back-up.

- Will take time to adapt.

- No significant improvement to the team.
- No resale value.

- No point.

If he signs, I'll obviously root for him to succeed but I think this will be a bit a massive waste of time and resources. May as well recall Moses and wait till the summer.

[Rekin 835]

schurrle has better stats overall (offensive stats as they are all offensive players) than Cuadrado thorughput the course of their careers, why do you want Cuadrado instead since it's all about stats right?

Its not all about stats, but they play a part of the analysis.

Regardless, I cant find numbers to support your statement. Schurrle has hardly played this season, so it feels unfair to compare them 14/15.

Last season Cuadrado racked up more points in total (but also played a good deal more, sure. If you compare point/min they were actually quite similar, but see my last post about keeping up higher averages).

Cuadrado had a good deal higher averages in shots per game, successful dribbles and key passes. That is while simultaneously having better stats on the defensive side.

In terms of how far back you go; it is useless to look throughout their whole careers as again, Cuadrado is a converted wingback. He had very back defensive stats back then though.

Even going back two seasons to when Schurrle played in Leverkusen you will still see that Cuadrado has better stats except in shots per game.

Stats are not everything, but they reduce the amount of unknown variables. Many members here imply that they have never seen him in action, and in that case stats, the opinion of people who has seen him, highlight videos and vs videos are the best tools.

I have seen him quite a lot on TV, and also twice live, and I base my opinion of him mostly on seeing him in games. My opinion is reinforced by his favorable statistics, not based on them.

EDIT: @The Mak

1. Actually fair market value

2. We do not know anything about that. Some players take to the league right away, others don't. In other words speculation.

3. Opinion and speculation, that kind of analysis should be left for the people who make a living out of it. Stats point towards him being enough of an improvement though.

4. What is the resell value of Fabregas or Costa? We can not only buy players with selling them in mind. The idea is for them to play well, improve the team and then leave when they have reached a point where they cant earn their keep. Unless they fail right away the time of that usually occurs with higher age.

5. Opinion

Not trying to sound like an ass, but those aren't exactly striking arguments. A forum thrives when people come in with opinions based on at least some sort of facts rather than just saying "he sucks", "no THX" etc.

Thinking that Cuadrado is the wrong player is fair enough, but its hard to know what you in this instance is basing this opinion on.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

You have to be stupid to compare his goal stats to other wingers without taking into account the fact hes spent alot of his career in defensive positions ala Bale

[Nero 1,843]

no longer wishlist ; )

[Pizy 18,401]

I've been checking around a few oppositions forums and they all seem more worried about us signing him than our own fans are excited at the prospect.

[We Hate Scouse 10,286]

You have to be stupid to compare his goal stats to other wingers without taking into account the fact hes spent alot of his career in defensive positions ala Bale

He also played striker quite a bit though

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

I trust Jose about this signing, he could sign Joey Barton if necessary as long as we could win some trophies at the end of season.