BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Full praise to Ivanovic for being so professional.He's aware of the media rumors of our interest in Suarez and if our intentions are serious then Ivanovic's media statement has made sure that horrific incident with Suarez doesn't affect the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petr.breu 1,618 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalBlues 2,817 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 LOL need to see a subbed version of that. The end bit: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I don't know where this attitude is when it comes to Terry.The amount of off-the-field and on-the-field bullshit he's done to soil the crest; affairs, bribes, assaults and racist abuse (he did abuse Ferdinand, anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot or has the bluest pair of glasses on) and people still praise him like a god. And just because JT got a lesser ban for racist abuse doesn't make it any less wrong.Maybe just below Suarez on offences, but JT's list is fairly long. So no one can say Suarez is scum and turn around and say "well JT isn't that bad" and praise his as Mr. Chelsea or make excuses for him. It's a two-way street.My point is: If he came here and started putting the ball in the net regularly, a lot of people would change their views and focus on him as a footballer first or, at the very least, become more neutral towards him. The same way a lot of people like to explain away/ignore the bullshit that JT does.If the club had sacked JT, I would have supported them. I certainly don't feel the same way about him as I did in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,187 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Did JT not get found not guilty in a court of law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Did JT not get found not guilty in a court of law?Yes he did. What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Yes he did. What's your point?What do you mean what's his point, what do you think it is? You can't sack someone for something that they have supposedly done if they are found innocent of the supposed offence in a court of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 What do you mean what's his point, what do you think it is? You can't sack someone for something that they have supposedly done if they are found innocent of the supposed offence in a court of law. He was actually found guilty by The FA though. I suspect (but don't know) there would've been provision in his contract to terminate it on those grounds.Look, I've defended JT based on the real court's decision but if you want to put a gun to my head and ask me if I think he actually said it then I'd say he did. That doesn't make him a racist but it does diminish him somewhat in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He was actually found guilty by The FA though. I suspect (but don't know) there would've been provision in his contract to terminate it on those grounds.Look, I've defended JT based on the real court's decision but if you want to put a gun to my head and ask me if I think he actually said it then I'd say he did. That doesn't make him a racist but it does diminish him somewhat in my eyes. But that would be a ridiculous thing to have done, he's our captain and a club legend and found innocent by a higher authority than the FA. Ashley Cole has shot a work experience kid with an air rifle that's far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 But that would be a ridiculous thing to have done, he's our captain and a club legend and found innocent by a higher authority than the FA. Ashley Cole has shot a work experience kid with an air rifle that's far worse. As far as I know the Cole incident was an accident and it really doesn't come close to the use of racist language by 'our captain and a club legend'. The whole incident was ugly, but ultimately people have to make their own judgments based on the evidence and if you can honestly tell me that you're certain he didn't say what he was accused of then that's fine. I can't and for that I'm sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,187 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Yes he did. What's your point?He was found not guilty in a court of law, the highest judicial form in this country, then he was punished by the FA for something he was cleared of in court. So was he guilty or not guilty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He was found not guilty in a court of law, the highest judicial form in this country, then he was punished by the FA for something he was cleared of in court. So was he guilty or not guilty?He was found not guilty based on one set of guidelines (which doesn't have a provision for not proven) and found guilty based on a separate set of guidelines.This discussion has been had thousands of times. People were talking about Suarez and how JT's ban factored into that way of thinking. My honest opinion is that I think he said it, not because he's racist but because he's prone to moments of poor judgment. If people actually want to have the same discussion (actually being honest and saying what they actually think) then that's fine but rehashing the arguments of last year really isn't worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 As far as I know the Cole incident was an accident and it really doesn't come close to the use of racist language by 'our captain and a club legend'. The whole incident was ugly, but ultimately people have to make their own judgments based on the evidence and if you can honestly tell me that you're certain he didn't say what he was accused of then that's fine. I can't and for that I'm sad.Even if he did say it it doesn't bother me personally, lots of things are said in the heat of the moment and one mistake doesn't undermine a lifetime of service. Plus shooting someone is far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Even if he did say it it doesn't bother me personally, Which is why people have to come to their own judgments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,187 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He was found not guilty based on one set of guidelines (which doesn't have a provision for not proven) and found guilty based on a separate set of guidelines.This discussion has been had thousands of times. People were talking about Suarez and how JT's ban factored into that way of thinking. My honest opinion is that I think he said it, not because he's racist but because he's prone to moments of poor judgment. If people actually want to have the same discussion (actually being honest and saying what they actually think) then that's fine but rehashing the arguments of last year really isn't worth it.Guidelines or not, he was found not guilty, this isn't difficult to digest. If people who are defending Ferdinand haven't got the collateral evidence to present to the court to put JT to the sword then fine, more fool them.Anyway, this is a debate for another time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diskoviolente 425 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Amazing striker and all that, lots of goals and skills...but please..no.This guy is posion. Might as well bring in Joey Barton.After all this sensible buisness the board has done until now, can´t see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Suarez £40-£45m, on around £150-£180k per week maxRooney £25-£40m, on around £250k per week MINYou choose...My choice: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Suarez £40-£45m, on around £150-£180k per week max Rooney £25-£40m, on around £250k per week MIN You choose... My choice: Count me in. My choice as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Why are we not going to bid for the best striker in the BPL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 ^ the same reason we're not bidding for Messi and Ronaldo. We can't afford him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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