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I see Moses staying as a homegrown player. Won't have many left otherwise. Unless we can get a decent fee, matching what we paid for him, I think he'll stay. Same applies with Bertrand.

But do the players want to stay?

Bertrand I would be more than happy to keep as a rotation option at LB because he has always come across as a solid player to me but from what I've seen him say in interviews I think he's off permanently. Moses is shit, no one in their right mind would pay the 10m we paid for him two years ago. Best we can realistically hope for is maybe to get enough to cover his remaining FFP book value, which is around 6m if I'm not mistaken, and to also get him off the wage bill. We're fine with just 5 AMs and we can play a youngster as the sixth. Oh, and there's also this bloke Fabregas.

Also, I recently did a quick check and we're fine regarding the homegrown quota for next season. We now have four HG players (Fabregas, Cahill, JT, Lukaku) and 15 non-HG players after releasing Hilario, Schwarzer and Eto'o so even without sales we can still add Costa and Luis in the squad, no problem. If we sell players like Ba, Mikel and God forbid even Torres, we'll have even more room in the squad for potential new additions. Zouma, Omeruo, Piazon, Ake etc. will all still count as U21 if they stay.

[DavidEU 2,023]

But do the players want to stay?

Bertrand I would be more than happy to keep as a rotation option at LB because he has always come across as a solid player to me but from what I've seen him say in interviews I think he's off permanently. Moses is shit, no one in their right mind would pay the 10m we paid for him two years ago. Best we can realistically hope for is maybe to get enough to cover his remaining FFP book value, which is around 6m if I'm not mistaken, and to also get him off the wage bill. We're fine with just 5 AMs and we can play a youngster as the sixth.

Also, I recently did a quick check and we're fine regarding the homegrown quota for next season. We now have four HG players (Fabregas, Cahill, JT, Lukaku) and 15 non-HG players after releasing Hilario, Schwarzer and Eto'o so even without sales we can still add Costa and Luis in the squad, no problem. If we sell players like Ba, Mikel and God forbid even Torres, we'll have even more room in the squad for potential new additions. Zouma, Piazon, Ake etc. will all still count as U21 if they stay.

Do the players want to stay? Well, if they don't, it's there fault for signing long-term deals. If the clubs want or need them, which in my eyes we do, then they don't have a choice.

Surely Lukaku qualifies as an U21 but not a HG. Thought you had to play in the country for 4/5 years first?

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Do the players want to stay? Well, if they don't, it's there fault for signing long-term deals. If the clubs want or need them, which in my eyes we do, then they don't have a choice.

Surely Lukaku qualifies as an U21 but not a HG. Thought you had to play in the country for 4/5 years first?

Chelsea are not a club to keep players against their will so I wouldn't think that to be the case here either.

And as for Lukaku, the HG requirement is three years and he will meet that in August before the final squad list has to be submitted. The wording in the HG rulebook is dubious to say the least, and there is some confusion whether a player is required to have been training in the country for the 36 months prior to his 21st birthday or if it's okay to complete that period before 1st of January the following year so it's not 100% sure if Lukaku will count as HG but at the moment that seems to be the most common opinion.

[DavidEU 2,023]

Chelsea are not a club to keep players against their will so I wouldn't think that to be the case here either.

And as for Lukaku, the HG requirement is three years and he will meet that in August before the final squad list has to be submitted. The wording in the HG rulebook is dubious to say the least, and there is some confusion whether a player is required to have been training in the country for the 36 months prior to his 21st birthday or if it's okay to complete that period before 1st of January the following year so it's not 100% sure if Lukaku will count as HG but at the moment that seems to be the most common opinion.

Get that completely, BUT, if Chelsea rely on these guys to complete our squad then we shouldn't feel pressured into selling them. Realistically, we have 3 LBs in van Aanholt, Cole, and Bertrand that could qualify as HG, so i'd imagine the club would want one of them to stay.

Anyone know if Salah and van Ginkel qualify as U21s for next season? Salah turns 22 in June 2015, MVG turns 22 this December.

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Get that completely, BUT, if Chelsea rely on these guys to complete our squad then we shouldn't feel pressured into selling them. Realistically, we have 3 LBs in van Aanholt, Cole, and Bertrand that could qualify as HG, so i'd imagine the club would want one of them to stay.

Anyone know if Salah and van Ginkel qualify as U21s for next season? Salah turns 22 in June 2015, MVG turns 22 this December.

dont think so. there was a thread where this HG discussion took place and the only HG players available to us then were JT, GC, lukaku, pva, blackman with under 21s like zouma, the 5th DM spot (chalobah), 4th CB spot (ake), 6th AM spot

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Anyone know if Salah and van Ginkel qualify as U21s for next season? Salah turns 22 in June 2015, MVG turns 22 this December.

Nope. For next season the line for U21s is drawn on players born on 1st of January 1993 or later, and both of these guys were born in 1992.

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It's beyond me how can any proper Chelsea fan can be happy about this cunt signing for us. Fuck him. Torres v 2.0 coming up. Lampard out, this prick in. Well fucking done.

Kill yourself.

[Special Juan 27,424]

Kill yourself.

No need.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

Those long balls and through balls.

[Jype 6,398]

The Daily Mail (I know...) are saying Arsenal will get £5.6m of the deal, not from the sell-on profit clause they had but because some performance related add-ons from the original deal that took him to Barca were now activated when he got sold. Basically Barca only got £21m for a player of this calibre after paying a significantly higher amount for him three years ago, insane really.

[DavidEU 2,023]

Nope. For next season the line for U21s is drawn on players born on 1st of January 1993 or later, and both of these guys were born in 1992.

Cheers mate, that's a shame. Something along the lines of this then, I think we'd all agree now.

HG1 - John Terry

HG 2 - Gary Cahill

HG 3 - Cesc Fabregas

HG 4 - Romelu Lukaku

HG 5 - Victor Moses

HG 6 - Ryan Bertrand/Patrick van Aanholt/Ashley Cole

HG 7 -

HG 8 -

9 - Petr Cech

10 - Branislav Ivanovic

11 - Mark Schwarzer

12 - Ramires

13 - Fernando Torres

14 - Eden Hazard

15 - Oscar

16 - Marco van Ginkel

17 - Andre Schurrle

18 - Mohammed Salah

19 - Thibaut Courtois

20 - Nemanja Matic

21 - Willian

22 - Cesar Azpilicueta

23 - Felipe Luis

24 - Diego Costa

25 - Tiago

U21 - Kurt Zouma

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I'm happy he's here. He's one of my favorite players.

Hopefully he fits in with the squad properly to make a big contribution.

I really like how this squad is coming together.

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The Daily Mail (I know...) are saying Arsenal will get £5.6m of the deal, not from the sell-on profit clause they had but because some performance related add-ons from the original deal that took him to Barca were now activated when he got sold. Basically Barca only got £21m for a player of this calibre after paying a significantly higher amount for him three years ago, insane really.

They can get the £27m who cares we've got our man that what mater

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Cheers mate, that's a shame. Something along the lines of this then, I think we'd all agree now.

HG1 - John Terry

HG 2 - Gary Cahill

HG 3 - Cesc Fabregas

HG 4 - Romelu Lukaku

HG 5 - Victor Moses

HG 6 - Ryan Bertrand/Patrick van Aanholt/Ashley Cole

HG 7 -

HG 8 -

9 - Petr Cech

10 - Branislav Ivanovic

11 - Mark Schwarzer

12 - Ramires

13 - Fernando Torres

14 - Eden Hazard

15 - Oscar

16 - Marco van Ginkel

17 - Andre Schurrle

18 - Mohammed Salah

19 - Thibaut Courtois

20 - Nemanja Matic

21 - Willian

22 - Cesar Azpilicueta

23 - Felipe Luis

24 - Diego Costa

25 - Tiago

U21 - Kurt Zouma

Pretty much, yeah. If the plan is to still get another new signing without any significant sales aside from Ba and Mikel who you already excluded, we can just make room in the squad by leaving out one of the three non-HG goalies. At the moment Schwarzer's contract is up and if Jose plans to keep both Cech and Courtois for next season I'm not sure whether it would be worth renewing but if for example Cech was sold we'd be fine with Courtois / Schwarzer / Blackman and still have another non-HG place remaining. Or if we somehow managed to get rid of Torres, receive crazy money for Ramires or something like that we could just give their place to any potential new signing.

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Cheers mate, that's a shame. Something along the lines of this then, I think we'd all agree now.

HG1 - John Terry

HG 2 - Gary Cahill

HG 3 - Cesc Fabregas

HG 4 - Romelu Lukaku

HG 5 - Victor Moses

HG 6 - Ryan Bertrand/Patrick van Aanholt/Ashley Cole

HG 7 -

HG 8 -

9 - Petr Cech

10 - Branislav Ivanovic

11 - Mark Schwarzer

12 - Ramires

13 - Fernando Torres

14 - Eden Hazard

15 - Oscar

16 - Marco van Ginkel

17 - Andre Schurrle

18 - Mohammed Salah

19 - Thibaut Courtois

20 - Nemanja Matic

21 - Willian

22 - Cesar Azpilicueta

23 - Felipe Luis

24 - Diego Costa

25 - Tiago

U21 - Kurt Zouma

Pretty much zero percent chance of Moses being here next season, Bertrand & PVA have no future.

HG1 - Gary Cahill

HG 2 - Cesc Fabregas

HG 3 - John Terry (33 years old!!!)

HG 4 - Romelu Lukaku (won't be a surprise if he leaves)

HG 5 -

HG 6 -

HG 7 -

HG 8 -

[DavidEU 2,023]

Pretty much zero percent chance of Moses being here next season, Bertrand & PVA have no future.

HG1 - Gary Cahill

HG 2 - Cesc Fabregas

HG 3 - John Terry (33 years old!!!)

HG 4 - Romelu Lukaku (won't be a surprise if he leaves)

Think you're missing my point. Can't just fill up our squad with whoever we want and although Moses and Bertrand may not be the best players in the world, they're not the worst and they give us a bigger and stronger squad.

As for JT, you can't rule him out for being 33. He was the best centre half in the league last season and it wouldn't surprise me if he is again next year.

[Term-X 7,891]

Think you're missing my point. Can't just fill up our squad with whoever we want and although Moses and Bertrand may not be the best players in the world, they're not the worst and they give us a bigger and stronger squad.

As for JT, you can't rule him out for being 33. He was the best centre half in the league last season and it wouldn't surprise me if he is again next year.

One of the reasons Luke Shaw is worth every penny of that £30m, 'every penny', just a shame about the 'reported' wages.

Bertrand & Moses clearly don't have a future here, and Terry was highlighted just to show how bare this home-grown squad will be in a few years time. That's all.