Koke

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From Spain (Newspaper AS).

The major signing of Atletico Madrid in the 2015-16 will be Óliver (Torres).

Óliver is completing a great season with Porto and the idea is that he is to orders of Cholo (Simeone) next season. Correa also will record with Simeone.

http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2015/03/27/primera/1427415491_406626.html

To me Oliver Torres could be the substitute for Koke if Koke leaves Atletico Madrid this summer.

Regards.

Everything is puzzling together.

Koke can easily go this summer. Atletico can cash in big money, which will be 100% theirs (because they own Koke's card in 100% unlike many other players), so they don't have to divide this sum by insurance companies, banks and other 3rd party ownerships. And yes, they still need money, they can't reject big sum like that when they have creditors around theirs neck.

Will Koke be eager to move ? I don't know why he wouldn't. Last summer, Diego Costa, Tiago, Filipe, all wanted to come here despite their success last season. Money talks but also this is bigger club with huge financial stability, established on European arena with big chances for success in every season. He doesn't have this in Atletico. Tiago delayed signing contract with Atleti because he wanted very much to come here and had hopes till the end that issue will be resolved, despite being Simeone's trusted lieutenant. Filipe, Diego all jumped out of the ship even though Simeone promoted them at the big stage.

"But Koke is different, he's Academy product" So was Fernando Torres. Well he was even bigger Atletico fan than Koke. In every corner you read and listened how much Atleti meant to Fernando but he left when big club arrived. Atleti fight for trophies now but as I said, they simply can't established themselves at the top because they lags behind financially. And for every Atleti player when big club arrives, it will be an opportunity.

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Everything is puzzling together.

Koke can easily go this summer. Atletico can cash in big money, which will be 100% theirs (because they own Koke's card in 100% unlike many other players), so they don't have to divide this sum by insurance companies, banks and other 3rd party ownerships. And yes, they still need money, they can't reject big sum like that when they have creditors around theirs neck.

Will Koke be eager to move ? I don't know why he wouldn't. Last summer, Diego Costa, Tiago, Filipe, all wanted to come here despite their success last season. Money talks but also this is bigger club with huge financial stability, established on European arena with big chances for success in every season. He doesn't have this in Atletico. Tiago delayed signing contract with Atleti because he wanted very much to come here and had hopes till the end that issue will be resolved, despite being Simeone's trusted lieutenant. Filipe, Diego all jumped out of the ship even though Simeone promoted them at the big stage.

"But Koke is different, he's Academy product" So was Fernando Torres. Well he was even bigger Atletico fan than Koke. In every corner you read and listened how much Atleti meant to Fernando but he left when big club arrived. Atleti fight for trophies now but as I said, they simply can't established themselves at the top because they lags behind financially. And for every Atleti player when big club arrives, it will be an opportunity.

Hi friend!

Totally agree with you. This story is a puzzle game and the pieces start to fit together.

1. Atletico de Madrid is not like us. ATM no is up, but in two years may be fighting to get into Europe League. Chelsea is a safe project.

2. If Fernando Torres abandonment Atletico de Madrid, Koke can follow the same path.

3. Our project is consolidated. Instead ATM is a permanent doubt.

4. Atletico Koke be sold this summer for 40 million pounds and regained Oliver Torres. With them those 40 million ficharan 3/4 intermediate players to strengthen their team and try to sign Cavani with other sales as Miranda or Mandzukic.

They are looking to sign Cavani, retrieve Oliver Torres and 3/4 players to consolidate the project Simeone.

Koke is still possible. The big bet of Atletico de Madrid is Simeone, not Koke.

Regards.

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Just preseason provided a good through pass assist for morata

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Yes, but ...

When I see Isco, Iniesta and David Silva in one team then Koke looks like a robot. For real, those 3 are artists with so much flair, Koke looks far less talented. Of course Koke is wonderful player but he's "trained" player and he's here because of training more than anything. This is glaring and more fragrant when he is on the same pitch with exciting players around him.

And I somehow have my doubts how Koke is 60m player - you really would like to have some magnificent and flair player for that figure, who would take you of your sit with every touch like Iniesta.

(That's just a digression, still would snap hand for Koke here)

(Juanfran is another one who looks bad on the eye comparing with others. Like a fucking mechanical toy which is cranked to work.).

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Yes, but ...

When I see Isco, Iniesta and David Silva in one team then Koke looks like a robot. For real, those 3 are artists with so much flair, Koke looks far less talented. Of course Koke is wonderful player but he's "trained" player and he's here because of training more than anything. This is glaring and more fragrant when he is on the same pitch with exciting players around him.

And I somehow have my doubts how Koke is 60m player - you really would like to have some magnificent and flair player for that figure, who would take you of your sit with every touch like Iniesta.

(That's just a digression, still would snap hand for Koke here)

(Juanfran is another one who looks bad on the eye comparing with others. Like a fucking mechanical toy which is cranked to work.).

I agree with you. But still, he's more talented and has more flair than Oscar, and he'll make us more dominant in central midfield. There are more options, some are very different and would cost less (AMs like Firmino, Berhimi, Fekir) or someone who'll play a similar role Koke would play and would also cost more than he should - Pogba. Its about what Jose wants more.

About Juanfran, Azpi looks even more robotic than him tbh.

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I agree that Silva and Iniesta are players with natural talent and perhaps Koke is a talent based on the daily work at each training day.

Although perhaps are going to take many years to see in Spain players with a natural talent like Silva, Iniesta and Xavi Hernandez. They are on another level.

To my Koke is like Xavi Hernandez but I also think Koke is a more appropriate / player adapted to the style of Simeone or Mourinho national team than Spain, Barcelona or Guardiola style.

As France with Zidane, Brazil with Ronaldo or Argentina with Maradona in Spain will seek successors for Silva, Iniesta and Xavi, but probably there will never be equal players to them, maybe just similar. And probably Koke is the player most like them now.

Early in the season we had a spectacular performance. With a style that mixed "Tiki-Taka" or very fast convinations game with a very physical game like Low's Germany. For that style maybe Koke is a perfect player.

Regards.

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Yes, but ...

When I see Isco, Iniesta and David Silva in one team then Koke looks like a robot. For real, those 3 are artists with so much flair, Koke looks far less talented. Of course Koke is wonderful player but he's "trained" player and he's here because of training more than anything. This is glaring and more fragrant when he is on the same pitch with exciting players around him.

And I somehow have my doubts how Koke is 60m player - you really would like to have some magnificent and flair player for that figure, who would take you of your sit with every touch like Iniesta.

(That's just a digression, still would snap hand for Koke here)

(Juanfran is another one who looks bad on the eye comparing with others. Like a fucking mechanical toy which is cranked to work.).

Still, Koke was the one to play that beautiful through ball to Morata for the goal.

Chelsea already have a player with the characteristics of Iniesta/David Silva and that is Cesc. Ideally it would be to pair him with someone like Koke. He is everything you want from a box-to-box midfielder and he is the type of player Oscar was supposed to be. Or at least what Chelsea was expecting him to be.

He's got vision, a monster workrate, he's a good tackler and he is brilliant in the final third. Young, too. He's just turned 23. He would not only free Cesc a bit from his defensive duties, but he'd also bring something extra rather than just pure workrate and pressing skills like Oscar.

Champions League last season

Champions League this season

He is more than just an industrial type of midfielder. Would be a dream signing for me.

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Really want Atletico de Madrid signing Oscar?

http://www.fichajes.net/noticias/fichaje-imposible-atletico-20150328.html

fichajes.net is like calciomercato.com, so it is not very reliable, but dreaming is free.

If ATM want Oscar would be nice to offer a deal Koke in exchange for Oscar + Mikel + Nathan Ake on loan.

I also think that fans of ATM or Simeone have a very different mentality than to the mentality of Oscar.

Regards.

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As France with Zidane, Brazil with Ronaldo or Argentina with Maradona in Spain will seek successors for Silva, Iniesta and Xavi, but probably there will never be equal players to them, maybe just similar. And probably Koke is the player most like them now.

Regards.

I really, really disagree. Isco, Thiago and also Cesc got simillar technical skills to Xabi, Iniesta and Silva. And all 3 are way more "like them" than Koke.

The "next Xabi" is Thiago, no doubt for me. If you saw him in Bayern last season you can see he's huge and will prove that if he could stay fit.

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I really, really disagree. Isco, Thiago and also Cesc got simillar technical skills to Xabi, Iniesta and Silva. And all 3 are way more "like them" than Koke.

The "next Xabi" is Thiago, no doubt for me. If you saw him in Bayern last season you can see he's huge and will prove that if he could stay fit.

Hi friend!

I think Koke is more like Xavi Hernandez, but there are also other players like him in Spain.

In Spain this playing style of Xavi Hernadez is imitated by many Spanish teams.

For me Xavi Hernandez and Xabi Alonso are pure midfielders such as the case of Koke or Thiago. But perhaps Thiago is a more anarchic unable for managing a team player like Xavi Hernandez because of to their usual unnecessary luxuries in the pitch. Koke is more disciplined in the tactical aspect, so I think he is more like Xavi Hernandez. Even Though Thiago it's a good midfielder (a shame his injury) but with many failures because of their immaturity. He makes many unnecessary risks. It is impossible to see it in Xavi Hernandez.

Regarding Silva and Iniesta, they are attacking midfielders, in other words, they have great quality but they can not organize a team alone , they need a player like Xabi Alonso or Xavi Hernandez near them. Isco perhaps is the player who most resembles now Silva and Iniesta in Spain.

Regards.

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I think Koke is more like Xavi Hernandez, but there are also other players like him in Spain.

For me Xavi Hernandez and Xabi Alonso are pure midfielders such as the case of Koke or Thiago. But perhaps Thiago is a more anarchic unable for managing a team player like Xavi Hernandez because of to their usual unnecessary luxuries in the pitch. Koke is more disciplined in the tactical aspect, so I think he is more like Xavi Hernandez. Even Though Thiago it's a good midfielder (a shame his injury) but with many failures because of their immaturity.

I would seriously advise you to see more of Thiago. The sentence in bold is simply not true. The guy was born to organize a team, like Xabi. Koke never wasnt. Thiago is not as what you call 'mature' as Xabi (he's a bit more adventuress) or even Koke like you said, but Koke doesnt have the skills to control the tempo and hand out passing the all game, its not him. Thiago does that.

Although i fully agree Koke-Cesc would be an amazing partnership for us, Cesc-Thiago would be even better.

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I would seriously advise you to see more of Thiago. The sentence in bold is simply not true. The guy was born to organize a team, like Xabi. Koke never wasnt. Thiago is not as what you call 'mature' as Xabi (he's a bit more adventuress) or even Koke like you said, but Koke doesnt have the skills to control the tempo and hand out passing the all game, its not him. Thiago does that.

Although i fully agree Koke-Cesc would be an amazing partnership for us, Cesc-Thiago would be even better.

All Right. They are just different points of view.

But I saw Thiago on television since he started with Barcelona in La Masia and I have seen many mistakes by having an immature personality to believe a world star being still very young.

Thiago was one of the most promising Spanish football and we all watched him a lot. Now nobody remembers him and only his immaturity is commented. That's the feeling I, believe, we have in Spain about Thiago. But of course I can be wrong.

I think Thiago errors are impossible to see in Xavi Hernandez. Xavi has a tactical sense and responsibility that Thiago will never achieve.

Even Barcelona has preferred sell Thiago because of such behavior and its continuous parties in Barcelona.

To my Thiago is a great player with a bad head and a person who surrounds himself with people who just tell him that he is the best player in the world.

Obviously it's a fantastic player, but should learn about the humility that have Xabi Alonso, Xavi Hernandez and Koke. That is his biggest mistake. Often try to make dribbles in midfield taking unnecessary risks.

Although I insist, are just different points of view.

Regards.

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Xavi is once in a lifetime player, i have a hard time believing either Thiago or Koke can come anywhere near his accomplishment and career. We are talking about a player that was a catalyst for one of the most dominating National team and also for his club. Those types of players are quite rare.

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All Right. They are just different points of view.

But I saw Thiago on television since he started with Barcelona in La Masia and I have seen many mistakes by having an immature personality to believe a world star being still very young.

Thiago was one of the most promising Spanish football and we all watched him a lot. Now nobody remembers him and only his immaturity is commented. That's the feeling I, believe, we have in Spain about Thiago. But of course I can be wrong.

I think Thiago errors are impossible to see in Xavi Hernandez. Xavi has a tactical sense and responsibility that Thiago will never achieve.

Even Barcelona has preferred sell Thiago because of such behavior and its continuous parties in Barcelona.

To my Thiago is a great player with a bad head and a person who surrounds himself with people who just tell him that he is the best player in the world.

Obviously it's a fantastic player, but should learn about the humility that have Xabi Alonso, Xavi Hernandez and Koke. That is his biggest mistake. Often try to make dribbles in midfield taking unnecessary risks.

Although I insist, are just different points of view.

Regards.

To be honest i didnt watch Thiago a lot before he came to Bayern, i was never watching Barcelona regularly to really notice him in the minutes he got there, so i cant deny anything you said. I saw him in Bayern and this is my opinion of him and not only mine, I know Bayern fans who were very surprised by what they got for only 20m. I think the responsibility Pep gave to him worked like a charm. Again, too bad he couldnt show it more cause of his condition.

Did you btw watched him in Bayern a few times?

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To be honest i didnt watch Thiago a lot before he came to Bayern, i was never watching Barcelona regularly to really notice him in the minutes he got there, so i cant deny anything you said. I saw him in Bayern and this is my opinion of him and not only mine, I know Bayern fans who were very surprised by what they got for only 20m. I think the responsibility Pep gave to him worked like a charm. Again, too bad he couldnt show it more cause of his condition.

Did you btw watched him in Bayern a few times?

In this case I tottaly agree with you. Probably in Germany, far away from the comfort of playing at home at Barcelona and La Masia, Thiago has a style of play safely.

For players from La Masia in Barcelona they have a very comfortable position and can make many risks without punishment by fans. But Germany and Bayern Munich is different.

Thiago is a player with a huge capacity and if he focuses his mind can he get anywhere. Guardiola will probably have more controlled him in Germany. As you say, Thiago seemed more focused with Bayern than Barcelona perhaps by the responsibility of being away from home.

His injury was a real shame. Twice the same injury is a disgrace. Hopefully he can recover soon.

Regards.