🇧🇷 Willian

[robsblubot 3,595]

On 7/7/2018 at 1:12 AM, Unionjack said:

Everyone who now for some unknown reason is saying how good Matic was for us and how we miss him blah blah blah should just remember the 16/17 season. 99% on here at one time or another was screaming Blue murder about him For not just 1 reason but for a list. Just go back if youve got some spare time and remind yourselves of just how bad his performances were.

He had 1/2 or so of a good season since he came back. OK I Might give some of the problem may be we had Bane and Cahil at the same time but the 3 together was just a joke.

I think Matic is a nice lad but if we had bought a better replacement (OR we do so this season - ummmmm) then he wont even be remembered,

I dont mind that we sold HIM to Manure but no way I want them to get their filthy Manc hands on Willi.

Heh Not sure what people were complaining about esp after winning the league, but that’s me I guess.

had we had then, and the big ‘if’, but we did not and we may still not. After a bakayoko was signed, I believe the club is simply looking for the wrong things.

for me is the other way around. I won’t mind Willian there as much, but would def prefer elsewhere.

[dreamcfc 182]

Like it or not, he's one of our best players. Everyone who wants him out, who do we buy with £50m that will be better for us than Willian over the next couple of years.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Willian almost eliminated Barca in the CL.
But he has had a very bad tournament for the world cup, having started in all of Brazil's matches.
Brazil played well, so it can't be said that he was let down by the rest of the team.
That makes his position somewhat suspect.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

2 hours ago, cosmicway said:

Willian almost eliminated Barca in the CL.
But he has had a very bad tournament for the world cup, having started in all of Brazil's matches.
Brazil played well, so it can't be said that he was let down by the rest of the team.
That makes his position somewhat suspect.

Did brazil play well?

 

Jesus didnt look too hot, and Paulinho looked the same.

 

It seems to me Neymar and Coutinho tried to take over the show, and didnt let the team shine.

[robsblubot 3,595]

No Brazil did not play very well and Belgium was the first good team they faced and lost. Despite the hype, this Brazil team was never really good enough to be consider the favorites to win it. Did they take some stopping? Sure, but big teams usually do.

Willian is just yet another cog that makes this Brazil team a bit more average... lightweight and short esp up front. His performance against Belgium was embarrassing: heavy touches, bad passing, and nothing produced in attack. Only Fernandinho managed to be worse, but that’s not he first time for Fernandinho (poor player).

the only thing I still liked about Willian was that he was a big game player, and now I have to question it. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

The real final was Belgium v. Brazil.
Brazil were not great but they managed against Serbia and Mexico.
The team that failed dismally was Argentine.
Willian cannot blame team mates for his poor performance.

[Stats 7,142]

10 hours ago, Robguima said:

No Brazil did not play very well and Belgium was the first good team they faced and lost. Despite the hype, this Brazil team was never really good enough to be consider the favorites to win it. Did they take some stopping? Sure, but big teams usually do.

Willian is just yet another cog that makes this Brazil team a bit more average... lightweight and short esp up front. His performance against Belgium was embarrassing: heavy touches, bad passing, and nothing produced in attack. Only Fernandinho managed to be worse, but that’s not he first time for Fernandinho (poor player).

the only thing I still liked about Willian was that he was a big game player, and now I have to question it. 

TBH, he was the best DM in the league last season. He is a very good player who had a bad game.

[robsblubot 3,595]

21 minutes ago, Stats said:

TBH, he was the best DM in the league last season. He is a very good player who had a bad game.

Fernandinho? Best DM is Kante by far IMO, but Fernandinho was indeed good in a long championship and in a system in which he does not have to defend that much.

In CL his performances are subpar. He was one of the worst performers against Germany in the 7x1 ('14). He was a liability then, and once again a liability against Belgium. Some people think it's just a bad game, but I don't see it that way. I see a player who does not do well in big games, which is all that matters in a WC, if you want to be a contender that is. In Brazil folks question his mentality, but I'd go a bit further and question his technique too... he does well in City system and plays lots of easy passes. Once the game is tighter and the opposition gets in his face, his passing goes down the hill. Reminds me of Mikel.

Is he better than Bakayoko? Sure, who isn't. BUt I would NOT like Fernandinho at CHelsea. It's the same as with WIllian, good/decent player but we need more that what he has been giving us to improve the team.

[11Drogba 2,000]

Willian liked this instagram post.

Jose Mourinho has joined the fight for @ willianborges88 although the player would prefer to come to @fcbarcelona

[coolhead23 1,147]

Jose, swap Willian with Martial and he is all yours!!! 

[Tomo 21,751]

Willian has in the space of a few years gone from being the most underrated player in our squad to the most overrated.

At the start people focused too much on what he couldn't go while playing down what he could do, now it's gone well, well too far the other way, it will only get worse if he goes United as the grass is greener shite will kick in to go with it!!!

[Eidur the Spider 4,515]

Oh just get rid of the petulant man-child. 

[Pizy 18,909]

Absolutely ideal scenario - sell to Barca for a stupid fee and sign Bailey as his replacement.

Not so ideal scenario but one I'd do - swap with Martial.

[Miguelito 459]

Absolutely ideal scenario - sell to Barca for a stupid fee and sign Bailey as his replacement.
Not so ideal scenario but one I'd do - swap with Martial.

I would actually prefer him to go to Man U. He improved them slightly but not enough for it matter. If the fees are the same, I would send him to United.

He has such poor end product that he would hold them back. It likely stops them from getting a player that would progress them as a team. That's ideal to me. I felt the same about matic. It hurts them over the long term.

I would also love martial. I know his end product is inconsistent but I think he needs a manager that will believe in him instead of criticize.

[dreamcfc 182]

22 minutes ago, Miguelito said:

 

I would actually prefer him to go to Man U. He improved them slightly but not enough for it matter. If the fees are the same, I would send him to United.

He has such poor end product that he would hold them back. It likely stops them from getting a player that would progress them as a team. That's ideal to me. I felt the same about matic. It hurts them over the long term.

I would also love martial. I know his end product is inconsistent but I think he needs a manager that will believe in him instead of criticize.

 

He's a perfect Mourinho player, works hard for the team but it also capable of a moment of magic to win a game, though I agree not very often. He is also deadly on counter attacks and set pieces,  I wouldn't want to see him playing against us no matter how bad people make him out to be, he is a good player and not as easy to replace as people think.

[Miguelito 459]

1 hour ago, dreamcfc said:

He's a perfect Mourinho player, works hard for the team but it also capable of a moment of magic to win a game, though I agree not very often. He is also deadly on counter attacks and set pieces,  I wouldn't want to see him playing against us no matter how bad people make him out to be, he is a good player and not as easy to replace as people think.

The perfect Mourinho player is one that is no longer effective in the modern game.  His methods and tactics are outdated and ineffective at the VERY top level. So I am more than happy to let him have his "perfect player".  

He has the ability to create magic, but he does not have the awareness or the vision or the brain to actually execute it.  He is unbelievably technically talented, but it means nothing cause he doesn't produce except for his annual purple patch of a few games.  

I think his set pieces are overrated after that season he scored a few off of them.  I don't think he has scored one since, but I could be wrong.  So yes, I agree he is a good player, but nothing more.  Very easily replaceable.  And one that would continue to stagnate the United side.  

[bluesman2610 1,417]

no selling to rivals willian on his day can be unplayable - not helping Mourinho build a team in his image. Matic definitely helped united secure second position last year , without him Spurs or Pool would have finished above them.

[manpe 10,861]

14 hours ago, dreamcfc said:

He is also deadly on counter attacks and set pieces

I strongly disagree. I find myself too often facepalming and yelling at the screen when he screws up counter-attacking opportunities and that has been a recurring theme since he joined. The same with set-pieces, his corner deliveries are woeful most times, same with free-kicks direct or indirect.

[Unionjack 7,531]

Barcelona launch second bid of £60m for Willian after Chelsea rejected opening offer from Catalan giants

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5946347/Barcelona-launch-second-bid-60m-Chelsea-winger-Willian.html

[LAM09 7,054]

Chelsea shouldn't even be thinking about rejecting such offers, if there's an ounce of truth in them.