illmatic 901 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 This season we hardly need him i agree, the league is ours to lose and we can't use him for the CL. Come next season, unless Schürrle and Salah make a complete switcharound i doubt they will stay. Schürrle had alot more chances than Mata and KDB despite beïng a worse player (atleast for a starting spot). Assuming we will keep Willian, adding Reus or Sterling seems a logical choice. Pogba doesn't make sense anymore because Oscar is here to stay and i can't see José putting him on the wings. Ideal scenario for me is Reus coming in with a youngster (Boga?). Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Reus + Boga and we should be set for the next couple of 3 years atleast. There is not much to upgrade in our current squad, but we can't ignore quality when it pops up.Bakkali. Apparently we are the first option to sign him.Hazard - Bakkali - Oscar - William - ReusThe perfect MP/wing combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I understand if you were neutral and had that view, but as a Chelsea supporter you're basically saying you want us to deliberately hinder our development so that others could have a sniff. This is quite complacent, don't get arrogant over a few months of good spell, remember the history. I think in the coming seasons you'll be surprised of how competitive the premier league still is, even if we do happen to run away with it this season. Here you never have a dominant force for prolonged periods of time, thus we need to constantly be on the look-out and evolve, so that our inevitable fall from potential dominance gets pushed further and further into the future.Also, sitting on the fence seriously hurts your butt, so get your ass to the YES camp.Not at all... I'm a football fan I love the competition that is the Premiership, Chelsea is already dominating that division. We are in a lot of ways developed! We have a very balanced squad. This talk about the coming seasons doesn't weigh in at all, at current we are head and shoulders ahead of our rivals adding Reus only makes the gap even further and forces the other teams to buy more to keep the gap reasonable.Evolution should occur in development not in buy ready made players like Reus who at current we don't need. I want to win everything every year but I enjoy having games where we battle and the result isn't a foregone conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Have I even mentioned the German league? I don't give two shits about the bundesliga.And you're missing my point. This is about the Prem! Signing Reus makes the Prem become more of a formality, if this comes off as it should we basically will be playing for the champions league like Bayern and to a lesser extent PSG. I hated when Bayern did it and it would be no different if Chelsea did.I cant undestand that at all, you want Chelsea to not be too good? me as a fan dont give a crap about competitiveness in PL, i wish we'll win it every year for the next 5-6 years. Other teams are not poor at all, CIty? United? spending money like crazy, they're probably as rich as we at least, its nothing like Bayern-Bundesliga where Dortmund is the 2nd biggest club and Bayern take all their stars. Its tottaly different, clubs like CIty and United should try to catch us if we're keep improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Not at all... I'm a football fan I love the competition that is the Premiership, Chelsea is already dominating that division. We are in a lot of ways developed! We have a very balanced squad. This talk about the coming seasons doesn't weigh in at all, at current we are head and shoulders ahead of our rivals adding Reus only makes the gap even further and forces the other teams to buy more to keep the gap reasonable.Evolution should occur in development not in buy ready made players like Reus who at current we don't need. I want to win everything every year but I enjoy having games where we battle and the result isn't a foregone conclusion.Reus is a top 15 player, if he's available, and interested, we cannot turn that down. The PL would still be competitive, just not as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I want to win everything every year but I enjoy having games where we battle and the result isn't a foregone conclusion. And is it like that now? Because I can remember quite a few games where we scraped through. We are good, probably the best in the league currently, but we could be better and we should be better, if we are going for everything. We will have a squeaky spell and then I doubt you'll be so confident of our dominance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Mario 638 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Hmmm interesting arguments here and there. But does he tracking back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I cant undestand that at all, you want Chelsea to not be too good? me as a fan dont give a crap about competitiveness in PL, i wish we'll win it every year for the next 5-6 years. Other teams are not poor at all, CIty? United? spending money like crazy, its nothing like Bayern-Bundesliga where Dortmund is the 2nd biggest club and Bayern take all their stars. Its tottaly different, clubs like CIty and United should try to catch us if we're keep improving.Hey man you're entitled to your opinion. I like the Premiership and I despise what has happened in other competitions like the Bundesliga, Ligue 1 and also La Liga... I like competition, I like the idea that there is a good possibility that when we play Crystal Palace they can get a result, its what makes the Prem so compelling. I hate what is happening in Germany right now! You're talking about City (who have been sanctioned) and Man U (who are miles off the pace having already spent a record amount in the window this year) come on dude... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Hmmm interesting arguments here and there. But does he tracking back? He will once Jose done with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishBlue 426 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Adding 1(!) players doesnt harm the PL. If we want to be one of the best teams in the world we have to upgrade when it's possible. Reus for only 19m? That's a golden opportunity and we should consider it imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Bakkali. Apparently we are the first option to sign him.Hazard - Bakkali - Oscar - William - ReusThe perfect MP/wing combination.bring In Bakkali and Reussell Salah and Schurrle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illmatic 901 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Have I even mentioned the German league? I don't give two shits about the bundesliga.And you're missing my point. This is about the Prem! Signing Reus makes the Prem become more of a formality, if this comes off as it should we basically will be playing for the champions league like Bayern and to a lesser extent PSG. I hated when Bayern did it and it would be no different if Chelsea did.If we sign Reus, would not be the same case that PSG or Bayern. PSG not has a economically rival. He can do a signing that other cant not do because dont have the money of they. And in the case of Bayern, the point not is that they sign very good players, the case is that they sign players for his ONLY rival. They strengthen and in the same time, weakened his rival. In the premier league other clubs can sign great players for do a great competition... If we sign Reus is because we do a great move and are more intelligent for signing players that others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Reus is a top 15 player, if he's available, and interested, we cannot turn that down. The PL would still be competitive, just not as much.Meh... We already have a world beater of a team that hasn't even fully developed yet. I'm not saying no but I am saying the integrity of the competition is at stake here and its getting to the point where we could be out of sight long before January. That's not cocky either, its the reality. I enjoy games like the one last year where we went to Anfield and battled for that 2-0 win! I enjoy the unpredictably of the competition! I dislike what is going on in most of the other leagues where every year before the season starts you can predict with 95% accuracy who will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Adding 1(!) players doesnt harm the PL. If we want to be one of the best teams in the world we have to upgrade when it's possible. Reus for only 19m? That's a golden opportunity and we should consider it imo.Are we not already one of the best teams in the world? with a relatively young squad? You're adding one incredible talent to a team that is already running away with the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Hmmm interesting arguments here and there. But does he tracking back? He has immense workrate. Meh... We already have a world beater of a team that hasn't even fully developed yet. I'm not saying no but I am saying the integrity of the competition is at stake here and its getting to the point where we could be out of sight long before January. That's not cocky either, its the reality. I enjoy games like the one last year where we went to Anfield and battled for that 2-0 win! I enjoy the unpredictably of the competition! I dislike what is going on in most of the other leagues where every year before the season starts you can predict with 95% accuracy who will win. The moment you think your team can no longer improve is when your team will begin to decline. There are always ways to improve. I love the competition too, but I like Chelsea winning. Did you like the Draws at Manchester? It's not our fault United, City, and Arsenal don't spend money well, but should we stall our development as a team for our rivals to catch up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Hey man you're entitled to your opinion. I like the Premiership and I despise what has happened in other competitions like the Bundesliga, Ligue 1 and also La Liga... I like competition, I like the idea that there is a good possibility that when we play Crystal Palace they can get a result, its what makes the Prem so compelling. I hate what is happening in Germany right now! You're talking about City (who have been sanctioned) and Man U (who are miles off the pace having already spent a record amount in the window this year) come on dude...So you think if we'll get Rues Palace cant get a result from us? i dont think so.My point is that the PL will never be like the Bundesliga or Ligue 1, because except us there are at least 2 very rich clubs (City, United), and a couple of very capable clubs (Pool, Arsenal, Spurs). The question is who spends is money the best way, and right now its us. If we can get our squad even better why not? if we can limit our slips against Palace, WBA and such... why not? if we can be as good as Real and Bayern, why not? you dont want that?Its City's and United's problem if they cant keep up with our improvement.And btw, when people talk about the PL getting weaker in the sense of the CL results, the reason is United, CIty, Arsenal, are just not good enough anymore... they're not keeping up with the level of Barca, Bayern, Real. Its their problem, we should aim the highest we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 He has immense workrate.The moment you think your team can no longer improve is when your team will begin to decline. There are always ways to improve. I love the competition too, but I like Chelsea winning. Did you like the Draws at Manchester? It's not our fault United, City, and Arsenal don't spend money well, but should we stall our development as a team for our rivals to catch up?You can always improve, that's not in question here. Its whether we're nearing a point where we start to make the Prem look like the German league or La Liga(some might argue it already is) I had no problem with the draws at Manchester. Against City we didn't play well and against Utd they got a few lucky decisions go their way... Thats the competition I'm talking about, you're looking at two draws against big clubs as a disappointment I see it as healthy competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 So you think if we'll get Rues Palace cant get a result from us? i dont think so.My point is that the PL will never be like the Bundesliga or Ligue 1, because except us there are at least 2 very rich clubs (City, United), and a couple of very capable clubs (Pool, Arsenal, Spurs). The question is who spends is money the best way, and right now its us. If we can get our squad even better why not? if we can limit our slips against Palace, WBA and such... why not? if we can be as good as Real and Bayern, why not? you dont want that?Its City's and United's problem if they cant keep up with our improvement.And btw, when people talk about the PL getting weaker in the sense of the CL results, the reason is United, CIty, Arsenal, are just not good enough anymore... they're not keeping up with the level of Barca, Bayern, Real. Its their problem, we should aim the highest we can.Lets be honest with yourselves here, it becomes less and less likely.As we acquire more talent the pool shrinks and the price to compete increases. This is also coupled with FFP where revenue comes into play... We have to be smart about the way we treat the competition or there won't be one. City illegally tried to do exactly what you guys want and beat us by 4pts last year(we didn't even have a striker) Now we want Reus? We're 8pts clear at the international break! What signs are there that we even need him? Is it just to play keep away or is there a definite need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 IS JANUARY DEAL REALISTIC?Dortmund cancelled long-awaited contract talks with Reus last week as a result of their alarming Bundesliga form, although they did finally end a run of five successive Bundesliga defeats with victory over Borussia Monchengladbach last weekend.That decision means speculation over the future of their talisman has reached new heights, with Reus himself doing little to make it look a case of when and not if he leaves the Westfalen.Dortmund boss Jurgen Klopp is no stranger to planning for life without his top stars, but he now has the opportunity to make this transfer saga very different to the way he lost both Mario Gotze and Robert Lewandowski to Bayern in successive summers.Klopp could decide to take the upper hand and invite Chelsea to open negotiations over a stunning swap for Schurrle, who has the pace, power and technical quality to soften the blow of losing Reus if he's desperate to play in the Premier League sooner rather later.i could see a deal happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 You can always improve, that's not in question here. Its whether we're nearing a point where we start to make the Prem look like the German league or La Liga(some might argue it already is) I had no problem with the draws at Manchester. Against City we didn't play well and against Utd they got a few lucky decisions go their way... Thats the competition I'm talking about, you're looking at two draws against big clubs as a disappointment I see it as healthy competition. But Is it our fault our rivals owners and board are incompetent and make poor buys/sells? I don't think so. In the last year we sold oyr 2x POTY, a CB who many consider one of the best, and one of the most promising young strikers in the world. It's not like we're buying recklessly. The PL will never look like Bundesliga and La Liga because there are some teams in a good financial position. They're just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!Hazard! 3,394 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 You can always improve, that's not in question here. Its whether we're nearing a point where we start to make the Prem look like the German league or La Liga(some might argue it already is) I had no problem with the draws at Manchester. Against City we didn't play well and against Utd they got a few lucky decisions go their way... Thats the competition I'm talking about, you're looking at two draws against big clubs as a disappointment I see it as healthy competition. What did Barcelona do when they were at their most dominant level? They bought David Villa, because he was available and was seen as a extra asset even though he wasn't really needed. Well he ended up deciding some crucial matches for them in a season in which they ended up with six trophies. To make a legendary team like that Barca team, you need to have these game winners on every position. And this Chelsea team has all the keys to become a truly legendary team in English and European stage. I can't see Schurrle or Willian scoring couple important goals in case Costa and Hazard are having a bad day. It makes a world of difference to have a third truly world class player on the field. He would also provide us with long-distance shots, a threat that is missing from our current squad.And like mentioned, this league is amazingly competitive. A lot of teams have the financial power to buy talents from other leagues or other English teams. The TV money that is poured into Premier at the moment is insane and it gives even the lower-level teams that spending power to challenge the big teams domestically. The fact that Chelsea is running away with the title THIS YEAR is only down to fantastic work done by the club, management and the players. If Pellegrini was our manager, we would NOT have got 3 points at Loftus Road or Selhurst Park, or even that 1 point at Etihad and thus we wouldn't even be having this conversation in the first place.English league isn't anything close to the Bundesliga or La Liga and all of the teams have the ability to win against anybody. Enjoy the moment my friend, this won't last forever anyways, just as that Barcelona dominance didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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