Isco

[The Skipper 20,593]

Isco is really a lovely footballer, if we do ship out Oscar he'd be an ideal replacement. Hazard, Isco and Cesc would have so much fun.

[yuvala 2,167]

I've been dreaming about him coming to Chelsea ever since the U21 tournament in Israel.

[Oscar 441]

Isco is really a lovely footballer, if we do ship out Oscar he'd be an ideal replacement. Hazard, Isco and Cesc would have so much fun.

Jose going to let Isco, hazard anc cesc play their football...

YEA RIGHT

[BlueLyon 9,359]

If you wants tricks get Isco, if you want results get Koke.

[stroey 2,525]

Jose going to let Isco, hazard anc cesc play their football...

YEA RIGHT

Yes he lets Oscar play too, but it isn't Mou's fault Oscar can't dribble, can't hold the ball, has no pace, has no vision, has no strength and can't pass consistenly.

[TheIceMan 596]

Sadly, never gonna' happen' !

[nadavTKL 1,787]

If you wants tricks get Isco, if you want results get Koke.

And if we want empty statements get BlueLyon?

Explain yourself.

[Oscar 441]

Yes he lets Oscar play too, but it isn't Mou's fault Oscar can't dribble, can't hold the ball, has no pace, has no vision, has no strength and can't pass consistenly.

Let's see how well Isco does under Jose...

If you really think Jose going to give the green light to 3 players at the same time... Jose Mourinho burns players out at every club he goes to, which is essentially why he can't last long term at a club... CESC, Oscar, Matic, Costa, Cahill all have had terrible second half season.

Just like how the all star team in madrid lost the league in January to a team led by tito and lost the cup title to atletico.

[stroey 2,525]

Let's see how well Isco does under Jose...

If you really think Jose going to give the green light to 3 players at a time...

Matic, Cesc, Hazard, Costa all show their class when they play at the same time. What do you mean with green light?

Please don't blame Mou for Oscar's shit. Do you really think Mou tells Oscar "yo Os, please give the ball away easily, misplace shortpasses, destroy our counter attacks, get outmuscled all the time, try to dribble and lose the ball, be a passenger and let me sub you at HT."?

[Oscar 441]

Matic, Cesc, Hazard, Costa all show their class when they play at the same time. What do you mean with green light?

Please don't blame Mou for Oscar's shit. Do you really think Mou tells Oscar "yo Os, please give the ball away easily, misplace shortpasses, destroy our counter attacks, get outmuscled all the time, try to dribble and lose the ball, be a passenger and let me sub you at HT."?

Yet, oscar didn't.... Short term memory...

Jose has a tendency to burn players out. Next season is huge, knowing jose and his failures in the 3rd seasons he had at his previous spells... You make it seem that OScar is the only one misplacing shortpasses, etc..

Even when oscar got benched, the team did the same, yet, its always the same few that need to blame OScar whenever they want. Maybe, we should look at how many times mata, coutinho, sterling, etc loses balls...

[LondonsFinest 692]

Yet, oscar didn't.... Short term memory...

Jose has a tendency to burn players out. Next season is huge, knowing jose and his failures in the 3rd seasons he had at his previous spells... You make it seem that OScar is the only one misplacing shortpasses, etc..

Even when oscar got benched, the team did the same, yet, its always the same few that need to blame OScar whenever they want. Maybe, we should look at how many times mata, coutinho, sterling, etc loses balls...

Actually a lot. Your arguments are completely off the charts. When the players listen to the coach, there are no problems. Mr. CR7 and his other Madrid lackeys can be happy all they want for kicking out, Jose, truth is, they are the only ones, who couldn't accommodate themselves and give 100%, even in the league winning season. He gets the maximum out of everyone that wants him there. Oscar's fan base is like Torres's. Jose burns out players, hah. I understand the lack of rotation, but when your substitutes don't deliver what do you expect. He rotated like everybody wanted and we got a 4-2 beating by Bradford. Please suck it up, Oscar is shite, 3rd season straight. Fabregas misplaces passes, yet scores a winner in a crucial three pointer, make the difference.

Just to not be completely off topic: I'd love Isco here, but with the arrival of Fabregas I doubt we;d see him. It'd open too much gaps. With Fabre and him, the lack of physicality becomes a potent problem. Unless we have a workhorse,Ramires-type of DM who doesn't stop running in front of the deffence, AND is smart in tackling, marking, movement off the ball, well then, yeah... But hey, that's my opinion.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

And if we want empty statements get BlueLyon?

Explain yourself.

If you carefuly watch Real Madrid you can see what Isco offers to them. He is extremely skillful player who often tries a trick too much. IMO he when he is on ball, he can do nice stuff with it, but he isnt the one to win matches. Think Cesc here. Both have talent, Isco much more skillful, but not as creative (yet at least). But neither can actualy make difference in bigger games when players need to step up. To backup the statement, thats why Madrid won and played much more balanced with Modric and James.

Koke on other hand is typical Mourinho midfielder. Works ass off and does whatever the game requires. If he needs to play 90min as DM, he will do it. But he has fair share of ability to control the tempo (much better than Isco actualy), kinda reminds me of Modric, but obviously not there yet. He is oftenly invisible man, but also one who does enormous work for the team on both ends.

I had opinion on Cesc before we signed him that he isnt big game player and it turned kinda right. Take my opinion on Isco and Koke whatever way you like. Thing is that Mou wont let both Hazard and Isco to have free role to express themselves in best way in attack. Koke doesnt suffer if he is given defensive role, while Isco will, despite his workrate. He is first and foremost maestro, while Koke has developed into allround midfielder capable of dirty work. Not to mention Isco in PL, I have my questions while Koke would succeed no doubt. Atletico is already a carbon copy of what a prototypical english side would be. Physical side with long balls, long balls and more long balls. And when Mourinho closes down in big game, what do you want; a dribbler who will try to dribble on his own or set piece specialist like Koke who will feed attackers, make counter attack work etc?

Finaly if you think we will buy Isco and suddenly play amazing offensive football, you are dead wrong. This is Mourinho's team and we can see how we play in 2015. Safe as possible as we can.

Last year, we had much less creative team, but more efficient, combatative and passionate one. And we came further in CL. Its all about that. Cesc, Isco, Silva and similar players will do fuck all in such competitions. Koke on other hand is not your typical spanish midfielder. He is what Mourinho would call a perfect midfielder for him.

People should stop hoping that we buy attractive players and play attractive football because under Mou it will hardly happen. And even if it does, it wont happen in big games. That means complete change of strategy for such games and you will not win CL in 100 years if you will play attacking players to play attractive football for whole season and then suddenly instruct them to play defensive for crucial games of season. It happend this season and we got spanked by psg and put absolutely zero effort.

When things go right for us, everyone is doing fine. But when things get bad, most of our team hides. I am pretty sure Isco would dissapear ala Cesc in big games if we decided to park bus which we will do EVERYTIME unless we were chasing the result.

When I said Cesc will flop in big games and will hide in key part of season, everyone opposed me. We see now how he played...

So why dont we actualy bring a midfielder who is capable of doing both?

I hope it makes any sense for you now, mr. smartass

[hamad138 190]

How can carlo bench him for bale. Bale is the anti-dribble,r where isco is just magic. Perez and Ancelotti needs to accept that bale was never that good, he was a victim of British Media hype.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

To be honest I fail to see anything special in Koke. Good player, nothing more than that.. Isco on the other hand is a magician who also surprised plenty of people this season with his work rate and defensive qualities.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

How can carlo bench him for bale. Bale is the anti-dribble,r where isco is just magic. Perez and Ancelotti needs to accept that bale was never that good, he was a victim of British Media hype.

If Mo Salah cost £80m Jose would play him too.

...To keep the board/prez happy.

[OneMoSalah 8,783]

Offer them 15-20M plus Cech if hes available in the summer.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Offer them 15-20M plus Cech if hes available in the summer.

Would much much more prefer if deal involving Cech and Real also included Varane.

To be honest I fail to see anything special in Koke. Good player, nothing more than that.. Isco on the other hand is a magician who also surprised plenty of people this season with his work rate and defensive qualities.

Exactly !

That was so obvious in the last Spain game. When on the pitch were Silva, Iniesta and Isco, Koke seemed like a strange object from different universe. Literally. Isco is much more talented than Koke. I can't get my head around how Koke, though very good, is only "ordinary" player. Meanwhile someone like Isco has that special feature about him, magician.

For the money that is quoted for Koke (60m€ release clause) I'd hate if Chelsea still have only one player (Hazard) who can take you off your seat and create something special. The money involved must means that you acquire quality as well as flair and beauty.

And it's not only thing for the eye of the observer but also so-called 'bit of magic' in one crucial moment which decide the game.

[supporter 3,088]

Again with 22m for Koke? supporter you mentioned it more than once and i still cant see why you hold on to that number. Your source is an unproven/unknown Spanish outlet. And why would Atletico sell for that price when there's a release clause of 60m euros? they are a very competetive club, and there are enough clubs to pay the 60m if he really is leaving,

Everyone has their own opinion, i would take Isco before Koke. I think he's better in pretty much everything besides work rate, although Isco is very capable too in doing the defensive work. In Real he's playing one of the 3 in central midfield and doing a fine job at both sides of the pitch. I wish he would be available, it would be another great option for us.

I think Supporter mentioned all the best options (or "could be options"). To be honest if Thiago would be available i would pay my own money to have him in Chelsea, i already said i think he's the next big thing in midfield. He'll probably stay in Bayern, i think he'd stay even if Pep will be gone, they know what they have in him. I'd say for me its: 1.Thiago 2. Pogba 3. Isco 4. Gundogan (if he's back in form) 5. Koke. But really, anyone of those 5 and i'll be super happy.

Hi friend!

I'm talking about 22 million pounds of amount by signing Koke because lately was mentioned in Spain that if Koke asks for a move to Atletico Madrid this summer they no they were going to require payment of his clause (44 million pounds).

Maybe between 22 and 44 we could establish a final price between 30 and 35 million as a hypothetical final price of the signing of Koke making an average between both quantities and perhaps this may be the final price of Koke.

About Isco I think he a real magician, a player to make a great folly to try his signing. This week all the Spanish press comments that he is very angry about their situation and Isco might be thinking about your future. If there is the slightest possibility of signing him, I also would put money from my pocket !.

I think if Guardiola leaves Bayern Munich this summer maybe Thiago Alcantara can think of leaving Bayern. The big problem has been his injuries, but if he's fully recovered would also be a dream his signing.

But I think there's an important thing to say about Isco, Thiago Alcantara and Koke.

To me Isco is a perfect player for the position of N. 10.

Thiago Alcantara is a perfect place for the compass of any team in the world player. I've seen this guy since he started at the Masia because for several years in Spain around the world said that Thiago was going to be the best player in Spain for many years. If we would make his move I go crazy with happiness.

And Coke is a midfielder able to play all positions in midfield. Probably the most versatile of all the aforementioned. I think we need Koke because with it we we would have a player TOP for both defense Midfield, creative midfielder and player N. 10.

But if I could choose our transfer policy I would sign all three and would attempt to imitate the style of play of Spain without any doubt.

Regards.