Fernando Torres

[nhaiduy 1]

World class strikers will still score a respectable number of goals no matter what means.

Torres without 'service' = 0-5 goals

Torres with 'service' = 10-15/20 goals

Falcao without 'service' = still would get 15-20 goals

Falcao with 'service' = sky's the limit

Service is no excuse for his poor goal return.

Easy to say.. Look at this: Messi with service = 2004– Barcelona 218 apps (175 goals)

Messi without service (the likes of Xavi, Iniesta &co.) = Argentina form

2005– Argentina 73apps (28goals)

Don't forget Torres provided several key assists in last year's Champions League (notably Kalou's away goal vs Benfica)

[Jype 6,398]

It seems more people have now hopped on the bandwagon of the so called 'Torres haters'. After losing the support of the fans I think it's only a matter of time before he fucks off and we can finally move on from this nightmare.

[nhaiduy 1]

Work rate means little to nothing as a striker. Look at Gomez and Berbatov. Torres needs to create his own space and chances. Oscar didn't need any service for his 2nd goal. We need Falcao.

We probably said sth similar before Torres came to Stamford Bridge. what if we bought Falcao and he stopped scoring for the whole year? then we buy hulk? and then messi?..

[Stats 7,142]

We probably said sth similar before Torres came to Stamford Bridge. what if we bought Falcao and he stopped scoring for the whole year? then we buy hulk? and then messi?..

Falcao won't stop scoring. That is the difference.

[Jase 43,479]

Whenever he plays, I try to hope for the best that he scores a goal or does something really really useful for the team but ultimately, I have given up on him long time ago. He's just so inconsistent. One minute, he looks interested and the other, totally uninterested. Mentally and psychologically, he is completely wrecked!

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Cavani is also twice the Striker Nando is.

[TheCount 146]

Im going to quote myself from another tread, as its still 100% relevant here.

Some of the comments here are just retarded,

80odd million spent on "passing" "creative" "barca -esch" players and they still cant give torres a ball to save their lives,

Deos no one eles see that Torres has to drop back and get the ball himself or he simply wont get the ball?

Never seen such a bad and confused midfield and tthose saying put sturridge in now instead? good jesus.

Case closed. Internet forums make me sad.

[Jype 6,398]

We probably said sth similar before Torres came to Stamford Bridge. what if we bought Falcao and he stopped scoring for the whole year? then we buy hulk? and then messi?..

That's just wrong. Torres was average for more than a year before joining Chelsea, but we all thought it was because he wasn't interested in playing for Liverpool anymore and wanted to move to a bigger club. Turns out this wasn't the case and he had simply become a rather shit player after having a couple of broken seasons where he was injured a lot. Falcao is entirely different. He has been on fire for years now and during that time has proved his worth for two clubs in different countries.

[DDA 9,937]

We as Chelsea fans shouldn't be expected to defend Fernando Torres anymore. We have been behind him from the very minute he signed that contract and I am so very proud of our supporters, I really am. What makes me love this football club is mainly our support and our swag. Chelsea for life!

Torres is done here as far as I'm concerned.

[Jype 6,398]

The problem with Torres is that he is simply not good enough to play for a club like Chelsea anymore. A change of scenery could do him good and who knows, maybe he would start scoring goals once again if he moved to a slightly smaller club where the pressure isn't as bad and that is important because Torres seems to be very a weak player mentally.

Only problem is finding a club willing to take him? Atletico is probably the only one that comes to mind and while a Falcao <-> Torres + money swap sounds very good on paper, that kind of deals don't usually happen in real life. I can see Milan or some of the other Italian clubs trying to get him on loan but why on earth would we agree to that?

[Cosmin 2,484]

Awww...Look at poor baby Torres!

He never gets good service, he always needs to come back and get the ball himself! It's so hard to score against great defences! He needs a partner!

Well, my friends, were there aliens playing behind Didier Drogba when he was here? No, there were no aliens. I don't care if Didier is another type of player. The fact is that he was our CF and he was scoring goals without having anyone else but Lampard, Malouda, Kalou, Essien or Meireles behind. Drogba got the ball himself many many times too.

It's hard to score against great defenders? Oh, boy, we really have played only against world-class defences in the past 2 years!

He needs a partner? Am I the only one who remembers the goold old times when some of us were waiting for Didier to leave because Torres couldn't score because of him? Didier left. We have Mata. Torres has Mata! Isn't Mata good enough? Then who does he need?

I am sick and tired of waiting for him to come back. I am sick and tired of hoping that he will score just so we can extend our agony and false hope. I am sick and tired of the same pathetic excuses we keep finding for him since he is here. He needs to leave.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

He has always been crap to control the ball (Atletico, Liverpool...), what always made the difference has been the ability to be explosive enough to keep the ball under control. If you want to make up such threads full of bullshit, at least try to be accurate on the few points who can be

I don't get the point of this topic by the way. Since he's at Chelsea he's getting an weird, inconsisistent, crap... (call that whatever you want) service. He tried to adapt his game to it by playing lay backs on the width, being unselfish to create chances... Pretending everything is perfect behind him (I guess that's the point of people not even mentionning how horrendous is the attacking animation) is just fucking hypocritical.

I don't know about you all but when I get up I use to look at myself in a mirror. I've no crush or anything for Torres, I just refuse to fall into stupid conclusions especially when he's not the main problem. That shall be simplier just to say he's weak, no character or other stupid stuff

That doesn't prevent me to criticize him with his choices on the ball when he's in form, when he tries something too complicated , when he tries to force that choice. He's not above the team.

I'm fed up of all those superficial criticisms ; just now and after one and a half year people, blogs, pundits etc... start to notice how useless are Mata, Sturridge defensively. Whereas it has been one of the main problem on this same length of time (and not Mikel, Torres, Lampard or whoever...)

If i pass to my striker 10 times and he falls down and loses the ball 8 times, will i pass to him again?

You didnt read the topic, i stated clearly the problems torres has. I play soccer too so i watch torres and i know how difficult it is to understand him.

If you dont know by now that torres plays inconsistently and an unpredictable way for his own teammates to understand, then you may have not been watching chelsea matches.

Even kalou scored goals when he was a striker for chelsea. Torres is a smaller striker trying to play like a big striker, he cant just be loosing the ball stupidly. That is my main issue with him, i dont know if he forgets he has teammates sometimes.

He must make runs behind the defence or pass and run for a one-two to score. Simple as that.

We have played mata - torres cant score

we have played hazard (has the highest assist in the league) - torres finds it hard to score

we have lampard

And you still think there is no problem with torres?

[TheCount 146]

Awww...Look at poor baby Torres!

He never gets good service, he always needs to come back and get the ball himself! It's so hard to score against great defences! He needs a partner!

Well, my friends, were there aliens playing behind Didier Drogba when he was here? No, there were no aliens. I don't care if Didier is another type of player. The fact is that he was our CF and he was scoring goals without having anyone else but Lampard, Malouda, Kalou, Essien or Meireles behind. Drogba got the ball himself many many times too.

It's hard to score against great defenders? Oh, boy, we really have played only against world-class defences in the past 2 years!

He needs a partner? Am I the only one who remembers the goold old times when some of us were waiting for Didier to leave because Torres couldn't score because of him? Didier left. We have Mata. Torres has Mata! Isn't Mata good enough? Then who does he need?

I am sick and tired of waiting for him to come back. I am sick and tired of hoping that he will score just so we can extend our agony and false hope. I am sick and tired of the same pathetic excuses we keep finding for him since he is here. He needs to leave.

Clearly he is not, for example last nite he took a shot from a ridiculas angle and put in the side net, while torres stood unmarked in the box screaming for the ball for a tap, which would of put us 3-1 up and i'd say safe to see it out. Mata hazard oscar etc are all great players and great passers what they need to be tho, is what we bought them for FUCKING WINGERS WHO PASS TO THE FUCKING STRIKER, not secondary strikers, no glory hunter selfish take a shot and cut inside, PASS THE FUCKING BALL TO TORRES AND GET HIM GOALS. thats why we spent the money.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

Then why didn't Kalou get similar support?

It's actually quite funny, the excuse for never critisising Torres by some is his work ethic but Kalou works harder than most footballers on the planet yet that was never enough for us.

Work ethic was never enough for Sala but it's enough to buy Torres god knows how much time.

oh here we go with Kalou again! zzzzzzz

Kalou was different, people got in his back because he would constantly get in good positions and mess things up! he was a good player but very frustrating! also part of the reason why Torres gets great support is because us fans are also trying to boost his confidence! so stop trying to jump on the Torres only gets support because of his work rate bandwagon!

we all know all the stuff in the press about Torres having a lack of confidence ect,

that is why you hear his name sung for dribbling past a player or getting a good shot on target because he cost this club alot of money and we all want him to do well and its alot better to support the guy to at least give him half a chance to succeed rather than talk rubbish about him and boo him!

[Cosmin 2,484]

Clearly he is not, for example last nite he took a shot from a ridiculas angle and put in the side net, while torres stood unmarked in the box screaming for the ball for a tap, which would of put us 3-1 up and i'd say safe to see it out. Mata hazard oscar etc are all great players and great passers what they need to be tho, is what we bought them for FUCKING WINGERS WHO PASS TO THE FUCKING STRIKER, not secondary strikers, no glory hunter selfish take a shot and cut inside, PASS THE FUCKING BALL TO TORRES AND GET HIM GOALS. thats why we spent the money.

I'm sorry, but you're making it sound like we are Torres FC, not Chelsea FC.

I find it really hard to believe that Hazard, Mata, Oscar and Lampard are all poor players and Torres is the only one doing the right thing.

[Amblève. 4,995]

He doesn't give a single fuck about Chelsea. I don't see any reason why he should be kept if he doesn't change his attitude.

[TheCount 146]

I'm sorry, but you're making it sound like we are Torres FC, not Chelsea FC.

I find it really hard to believe that Hazard, Mata, Oscar and Lampard are all poor players and Torres is the only one doing the right thing.

Did ya bother reading at all?, their fantastic players that dont play well together (yet?), the midfield in a shambles no one knows what to do, Torres never gets passed to and therefore has to try and make goals rather then score them, this is the midfield's fault not his, put anyone in his place and they wont score often, he scored a few already btw he dosent have to score every single game, once every 2-3 matches is more then enough, if he gets assist's which is often does, this still dosent change the fact that he is never given the ball he wants, Hazard and him finaly started to gel at newcastle which was good but i havent seen it since.

[Cosmin 2,484]

Torres never gets passed to and therefore has to try and make goals rather then score them

He fails at that too.

this is the midfield's fault not his

Not really.

put anyone in his place and they wont score often

How could you possibly know that?

he scored a few already btw he dosent have to score every single game, once every 2-3 matches is more then enough

Why don't you make it once every 20-30 matches?

For real, this is getting boring. Didier was able to score, he is not.

I keep bringing Didier into this, because Torres is supposed to be his replacement.

[TheCount 146]

He fails at that too.

Most assist's last year child.

Not really.

Yes, yes it is,

How could you possibly know that?

Because sturridge is shite as well,

Why don't you make it once every 20-30 matches?

Thats just retarded.

For real, this is getting boring. Didier was able to score, he is not.

I keep bringing Didier into this, because Torres is supposed to be his replacement.

Only technically, their completely difference players, playing in completely different sides, drogba only scored 5 goals last year btw, torres already has 3, Drogba is my hero but he couldnt get a ball last year from the midfield either and had less assist's,

Go back to playing fifa you dont understand the game.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Clearly he is not, for example last nite he took a shot from a ridiculas angle and put in the side net, while torres stood unmarked in the box screaming for the ball for a tap, which would of put us 3-1 up and i'd say safe to see it out. Mata hazard oscar etc are all great players and great passers what they need to be tho, is what we bought them for FUCKING WINGERS WHO PASS TO THE FUCKING STRIKER, not secondary strikers, no glory hunter selfish take a shot and cut inside, PASS THE FUCKING BALL TO TORRES AND GET HIM GOALS. thats why we spent the money.

Mata had 20 league assists, highest in the premier league last season. You have to be kidding me if you think mata is not good enough. Torres is just not good enough unless you want chelsea to buy xavi and iniesta in the midfield then i dont know why torres is not scoring.