Reddish-Blue 2,506 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 This is a discussion we've had around here before: judging current ability is much easier than potential ability. Demba Ba is 28, his game will not change that much--same with his body. We've seen countless games of him playing for Newcastle and now Chelsea.Yes, he can improve a bit. More adapted to the team and the training, but what I see is a good squad player nothing more. He is just not technical enough for a team like Chelsea. Smaller sides can start a player like him and play to his strengths, but Chelsea need a player who can participate and link up play with the other technical players we've got. I reckon Ba just doesn't have the quality to do that (first touch, quickness, short dribbling, etc).Ba is a good player, but expecting him to be as good as A RVP or Aguero (would cite others but let's not go there) would be delusional.Ba is a lot better at finishing than Torres ATM. Ba can also handle physical game a lot better (though I feel he goes to the ground too often for a guy of his size). Everything else, other aspects of the game, I think Torres is (still) superior. Yes, my opinion is debatable, esp because confidence and form do affect technique (Torres end of the season > start of the season). Some aspects are not debatable, such as pace and quick turns, etc.With all that out of the way, let me emphasize that IMO neither is good enough to start for Chelsea.* and Torres not being good enough does not make Ba good enough either.Well said.I just think Ba is a limited striker now. The injuries he's had over his career are finally catching up to him...he just doesn't seem to have that extra spark in him anymore.Sure, he can put in the odd top-notch performance but he shouldn't be starting for a club like Chelsea.Overall, I reckon Ba is still a good squad player and he'll play a role in the development of Lukaku...by taking some pressure off the youngster. robsblubot, English Freak and zolayes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I'm really not trying to start a race war here but in my very honest opinion, if Ba wasn't black you wouldn't be posting thatagain no offence or anythingWTF? Why would you even make a suggestion like that when he has made a perfectly reasonable argument. He has made 2 posts which do not suggest any bias towards black players. He has made a good point and because you disagree you say it is because he is black lol? Ridiculous.Imagine if the tables were turned now and people looked at your posts and from what I have seen you have stated that you would prefer Matic and Stoch over Ake, Chalobah and RLC, all black players or mixed race then you also stated that you would like us to get rid of Essien. That is probably your honest opinion but you would not want people stating that you don't like black players would you? So why have you made that suggestion now?He is spot on. Anelka took time to hit his stride, slower than Ba then after he settled in he proved to be a key player for us. The Skipper, Blue-in-me-Veins and Green Lantern18 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I'm really not trying to start a race war here but in my very honest opinion, if Ba wasn't black you wouldn't be posting thatagain no offence or anything :fainthv9: :fainthv9: :fainthv9: English Freak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mybodyisready 155 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 WTF? Why would you even make a suggestion like that when he has made a perfectly reasonable argument. He has made 2 posts which do not suggest any bias towards black players. He has made a good point and because you disagree you say it is because he is black lol? Ridiculous.Imagine if the tables were turned now and people looked at your posts and from what I have seen you have stated that you would prefer Matic and Stoch over Ake, Chalobah and RLC, all black players or mixed race then you also stated that you would like us to get rid of Essien. That is probably your honest opinion but you would not want people stating that you don't like black players would you? So why have you made that suggestion now?He is spot on. Anelka took time to hit his stride, slower than Ba then after he settled in he proved to be a key player for us.So you're telling me those 3 players are better than Matic and Stoch? lol okay, and don't even get me started on Essien. Tell me do you honestly think if Ba was white that that guy would sign up and stick up for him? Of course I'm gonna get beef for this because i'm white but when something like this comes up it's all good.Chris Paul’s preference is to stay with the Clippers but he wants them to hire an African-American coach, according to multiple league sources Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 So you're telling me those 3 players are better than Matic and Stoch? lol okay, and don't even get me started on Essien. Tell me do you honestly think if Ba was white that that guy would sign up and stick up for him? Of course I'm gonna get beef for this because i'm white but when something like this comes up it's all good.Obviously they are not better than them 2 now but do they have the potential to be? I would say yes. Ake has started games for us at the age of 17/18 while Matic struggled to ever get in our lineup. Stoch is a winger so I will not say much about him but he was never good enough to be a regular starter here. I know he did not get many starts but the only time I saw him produce something was in our win against Stoke where he came on and changed the game and Lamps scored a last min winner (think it was Stoke). I am confused though. Why do you reckon he has made that point because Ba is black. In his other post he compliments Mata. But I don't see what is so ludicrous what he wrote about Ba. I think it is true, he has been inconsistent but it can be difficult for a striker to settle in. Anelka as he pointed out was a flop at first but when given more time and a change in position he was excellent. So maybe Ba can do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 So you're telling me those 3 players are better than Matic and Stoch? lol okay, and don't even get me started on Essien. Tell me do you honestly think if Ba was white that that guy would sign up and stick up for him? Of course I'm gonna get beef for this because i'm white but when something like this comes up it's all good.What the fuck does CP3's supposed preference have to do with anything he said? You can't paint every one who's the same skin colour as CP3 with the same brush. You can't automatically assume that all black people only prefer black players. Do you honestly think black people prefer Ba to Torres simply because he's black? That's the most fucked up and retarded thing I've ever read on here. What he said was actually credible. Do you seriously think people wouldn't get offended over a dumb statement like that? Does being black automatically void anyone's opinion on a black player? Get the fuck out man. bababoom, Reddish-Blue, Stats and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndersonBLUE 819 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I'm really not trying to start a race war here but in my very honest opinion, if Ba wasn't black you wouldn't be posting thatagain no offence or anythingTroll detected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Pacquiao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted June 2, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted June 2, 2013 Bitch please... There's only one rabona king. Reddish-Blue, Mufassir08, yuvala and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 ^ I think Quaresma's the best when it comes to the rabona, personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted June 2, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted June 2, 2013 ^ I think Quaresma's the best when it comes to the rabona, personally. Pacquiao, edenhazard17, Hostedenis and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,506 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 ^ I think Quaresma's the best when it comes to the rabona, personally.If only Quaresma didn't let all the fame get to his head early on in his career... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,489 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 First out the door? Sure hope so. The Mak, mybodyisready, Peace. and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 ^ I think Quaresma's the best when it comes to the rabona, personally.Joe Cole begs to differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 thats absolute garbage. torres has done some nice 1s for us though. vs newcastle i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Torres rejected autograph requests from Real Madrid fans at Spain's training session yesterday. Dick.(Although to be fair it may have pissed off a lot of Atletico fans had he complied.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ljpaddock 187 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 What's the problem here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 why arent there any TORRES TO ATHLETICO/TORRES TO MONACO/ TORRES TO FIORENTINA/TORRES TO BLOODY ANYWHERE rumors roaming around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJames 729 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 why arent there any TORRES TO ATHLETICO/TORRES TO MONACO/ TORRES TO FIORENTINA/TORRES TO BLOODY ANYWHERE rumors roaming around?Everyone knows no one wants him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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