Ollie 4,400 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Both teams could've won though tbh, they had chances too so i don't wanna be too biased and say we should've won. If our players had all played together for 3 years, i'd be pissed off but i'm a realist. We won't be winning much in the next year or 2 but in 3-4 years i'm gonna be really pushing for us to win every game because we should be settled by then. Now, i'm not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumps 284 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Why was it "weird"? That is what happened. When Moses came on, both Ramires and Moses were on the RW within 10 yards of each other and you could see Hazard all the way on the left. After we lost possession you could see Moses yelling and pointing at Ramires where he should be. Hazard got the memo but Ramires didn't. Then when QPR had possession in our half you could see Ramires right next to Mikel.ya that would be my reasoning for the word "weird" then. i should clarify i was watching the game on my phone and the connection kept going. i'd also say it was a little awakward becuase nobody really looked that comfortable, but surely its practiced in training. another point is that i dont actually think it was neccesary for us to go 4-3-3. the 4-2-3-1 may not have got us goals, but it was going ok. and we may have had a few goals if some players put some effort in.Sturridge should have come on a lot earlier. Torres was not up for it at all today. Ramires, as we all say, is just not doing RW any good. and it's not his fault, i can understand playing Ramires/Bertrand on the wings during games where we need the extra defense, but this game should have been an attacking display form us, and we were just not set up that way.HOPEFULLY this game will lead to RDM doing a bit of rotation and giving other players a chance. so although this was a bad game, hopefully it leads to some good thigns in the future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I'm not gonna go n bash Lampard because i've got too much respect for him than that. I'm gonna just speak on today and yes, he was slow and off the pace and struggling but he still battled away and we got a good point. I see today as a good point, another point better off than last season as we lost there.Wigan (A) = Last season 1-1, this season 2-0Newcastle (H) = Last season 0-2, this season 2-0QPR (A) = Last season 0-1, this season 0-0.6 points better off and good cameo's from Moses and Sturridge.We now move on. It's a good point.Another improvement - we have kept 3 clean sheets in 4 league games so far. Took us 13 matches to achieve that last season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I'm not gonna go n bash Lampard because i've got too much respect for him than that. I'm gonna just speak on today and yes, he was slow and off the pace and struggling but he still battled away and we got a good point. I see today as a good point, another point better off than last season as we lost there.Wigan (A) = Last season 1-1, this season 2-0Newcastle (H) = Last season 0-2, this season 2-0QPR (A) = Last season 0-1, this season 0-0.6 points better off and good cameo's from Moses and Sturridge.We now move on. It's a good point.That was last year - we've had a HUGE financial investment since then and we have the AVB factor to consider...Yes, the results have been better, but the football has been poor. We just look disjointed, slow and lacking creativity... Perhaps playing Danny instead of Torres will improve this as the ball won't be turned over every time it goes forward... but you cannot deny it's an awful style of football we are playing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippingStep 336 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I've not seen the last 20 minutes.But with Ramires and Bertrand on the wings in the line-up, mikel-lampard in midfield in front of the defense. RDM didn't want to control the game, Bertrand and Ramires are pure counter-attacking players.Mata was not there to help the midfield in the build-up.But even if Hazard would have done it, there would only have Torres upfront.Against QPR, I was expecting that he would have started with Moses and Oscar and not Bertrand and Ramires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 4,400 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Come on, QPR have a better team too and we've changed a hell of a lot, it's not fifa where 5* Chelsea will whip QPR because they are like 4* and shitter. This is real life, the players need to settle and get used to each other and the formation and of course the English premiership. . We're top of the league, unbeaten and no matter what spin you put on it, i'm perfectly fine sitting here with 10 points from 4 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 And another thing...QPR have scored 2 GOALS in 3 games - hardly an attacking threat... why would he want to play Counter Attack?It's obvious QPR wouldn't be ALL out ATTACK like Barca/Real...This is my main problem - the ONE DIMENSIONAL approach to teams that are well organised and close us down with high pressing...Gonna go out for a few beers now... but this game has still ruined my day - I know it's a draw, but feels like a defeat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Fong 2,776 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 RDM is pretty much ball-less. Bertrand ahead of Moses/Sturridge/Oscar?! You're having a laugh... Pathetic starting line-up as the European Champion against a shit team.I really don't want to say bad words to Lampard, but he was basically useless. All he's done were "tud, tud, tud" then lost possession. The worst thing is, he will still get picked to start almost every fucking match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Come on, QPR have a better team too and we've changed a hell of a lot, it's not fifa where 5* Chelsea will whip QPR because they are like 4* and shitter. This is real life, the players need to settle and get used to each other and the formation and of course the English premiership. . We're top of the league, unbeaten and no matter what spin you put on it, i'm perfectly fine sitting here with 10 points from 4 games.QPR have LOTS more NEW players than we do.... So we should have taken Advantage of that... We let them have 'belief' they could get something out of the game... We should never do that, we need to be ruthless and clinical.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Come on, QPR have a better team too and we've changed a hell of a lot, it's not fifa where 5* Chelsea will whip QPR because they are like 4* and shitter. This is real life, the players need to settle and get used to each other and the formation and of course the English premiership. . We're top of the league, unbeaten and no matter what spin you put on it, i'm perfectly fine sitting here with 10 points from 4 games.9 men game aside we were pretty shite against them in the FA Cup..time before that was won due to a og so no shock really.We didnt loose..no one got sent off and we didnt concede.Could've been better but could've been worse.QPR didnt do to bad against top team last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 The performance was just FLAT, we didn't look dangerous at all.RDM played his typical defensive formation (suprised to see bertrand on the left) + counter (Hazard had one good chance)I will not complain about his formation and tactic because it had been very successfull last yeay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshmercury 20 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 i think our problem is we dont have any physical presence either up top or in midfield.Just got bossed in midfield by granero and faurlin who i think are better than mikel lampard.Lampard is past it he actually had the fewest touches of anyone in the pitch excepy maybe torres.mikel is not the answer he is okay average maybe a squad player,he just slows it too much from midfield, by the time the ball reaches torres the opposition is set and we lose the ball.torres struggled without any space was crowded out.and as said before you need mikel lampard to move ball quicker for him to find space and be effective.What sturridge did was he found his own space dropped deep and looked lot more threatening.I think the problem with sturridge is fitness i dont think he has the stamina and becomes lazy later in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 4,400 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 It's ok to say we need to be ruthless and clinical but it's not easy to just do it, they are a decent team who have had some tough games. This is QPR's biggest game of the season and this whole racism issue has made it more than a game. Not many teams will have an easy game against QPR away this season, Swansea was just one of those things that can happen, it doesn't mean they will be that shit every week.Everyone will drop points, at least whether we've been shit or not, we're getting points and that's all that matters. Being top will give us something to hold on to and some confidence.What we just saw was a battle, not a football match. We didn't cave in and got a well earned point from it. At least we showed passion and courage to not lose the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloody 209 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 i think our problem is we dont have any physical presence either up top or in midfield.Just got bossed in midfield by granero and faurlin who i think are better than mikel lampard.Lampard is past it he actually had the fewest touches of anyone in the pitch excepy maybe torres.mikel is not the answer he is okay average maybe a squad player,he just slows it too much from midfield, by the time the ball reaches torres the opposition is set and we lose the ball.torres struggled without any space was crowded out.and as said before you need mikel lampard to move ball quicker for him to find space and be effective.What sturridge did was he found his own space dropped deep and looked lot more threatening.I think the problem with sturridge is fitness i dont think he has the stamina and becomes lazy later in the game.what, you are just now noticing that all of our attackers and midfielders are midgets (except mikel)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 what, you are just now noticing that all of our attackers and midfielders are midgets (except mikel)?Its not a height thing, its more of a physicality thing.... Mikel is over 6 foot lampard is 6 foot and torres is also 6 foot, the problem is we don't have the man who will run through a wall up front any more, making these long balls extremely ineefective... If we put in danny up top, and put moses in on the right then we will be a bit better at that and also we would have more options and won't have to lump it forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJack 24 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Di Matteo is mentally challenged really. Lampard was ineffectice yet again. Far too much player power at Chelsea. Just about any other club and Frank would not be a starter. Sturridge should be played as a CF against Stoke. RDM is on thin ice. To be honest he just appears to be a moron in a suit (ala AVB) trying to be a tactical genius. Has no idea what he is doing. At least Citeh draw and we're still on top of the table. Another lineup like that (Even against Juventus) and I will be actually wanting Di Matteo to get sacked.Fuck off, 4 games and we've got 10 points, yeah he made a bad decision but give him time. We always complain about our managers always getting sacked, yet we cry every time they make one mistake "Roman, I want a new manager !". We need to actually stick to a manager and we're not exactly struggling either, after 1 average performance, ranting like we've been shit for a whole season. We're spoilt, we are just going to become a laughing stock if we sack manager after manager.KTBFFH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Let's focus on the positives here: we are still top of the league. :blue scalf:But yeah, not a good performance today. Need to do much better against Juventus on Wednesday or they're going to tear us a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Las7 951 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I think the problem with sturridge is fitness i dont think he has the stamina and becomes lazy later in the game.And Torres isn't fucking strolling around 80% of the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Cech must have kicked the ball long 16 times today and Torres + Moses + Sturridge won 0. We have to understand we don't have Drogba anymore and try to find other options instead of just hoofing the ball up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumps 284 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Its not a height thing, its more of a physicality thing.... Mikel is over 6 foot lampard is 6 foot and torres is also 6 foot, the problem is we don't have the man who will run through a wall up front any more, making these long balls extremely ineefective... If we put in danny up top, and put moses in on the right then we will be a bit better at that and also we would have more options and won't have to lump it forward.you are very right. But sturridge can't run through walls. but i see what you are saying. I wasn't exactly excited when we bought Moses because i didn't see what use he could have. the last couple of games Chelsea have had has showed me exactly why we have bought him, for his presence. He's quick, he has determination, he keeps the ball and the only reason i can think of that he didnt start, is because he is still settling in. but he HAS to start the game against Stoke, thats hte kind of team he is built to play against. Sturridge needs to play more as well for exactly the reaon you stated. i would even be satisfied seeing Sturridge on RW and Moses on LW. having them both on the pitch would be attack attack attack.Moses is ok in terms of defense as well. he does get back, so im hoping he is going to be put ahead of Ramires for that RW spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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