Oscar

[bababoom 4,478]

Not much news today but here's a bit.

Vagner Martins @ _vagnermartins_

In short: Luigi leaves open question Nilmar, admits Chelsea's survey by Oscar and says Goose can play at Inter.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

I'm not saying that all of our transfers are bad, we just make too many bad ones of the same type (we seem to be focussed on one player and then overspend to get them ). Marin is an example of what a solid transfer looks like. A young player who has had some success in a top league for 7M pounds. It may not work out, but it was a good buy for value at the time. And trying to get the next world-class player is like playing the lottery-it's just awful transfer policy for a big club because it means while your competitors are going out and spending money for top players, you're paying the same money for players who could be top-level players but probably won't be. How many 20 year old live up to the expectations? Very very few.

This is an instructive link from 2007 on who this website thinks the best teenagers in football are -http://soccerlens.com/top-50-most-exciting-teen-footballers-2007/4258/. And these are players, many of whom have already had success. If you buy these types of players, yes, you might get a Sergio Aguero or a Kroos, but you also might get a Kerlon or a Franco Di Santo (Or even a Breno!). I guarantee that the same people who are drooling over 17 year olds with potential now would have been doing the same then. The best of the best of young players still fail a large percentage of the time.(And yes, I am aware that Oscar is not a teenager, but falls into the same "unproven, but has great potential" bracket).

In fact, I have to quote a few

Yes, but DiSanto or Breno never played part in their national teams. To be in brasil team, you simply have to be good. Media famed Lucas and Neymar so much, but looking at Oscar in friendlies, he was better than anyone of those two. I guess a bit underrated. That is why no one realy knew him before.

It is risk, but the reward is even higher in the end. And why do you need to trust him more than just potential? Because not every 20years old player becomes playmaker in brasilian squad and plays so well against adult teams of Argentina with Messi or Denmark.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

Not much news today but here's a bit.

Vagner Martins @ _vagnermartins_

In short: Luigi leaves open question Nilmar, admits Chelsea's survey by Oscar and says Goose can play at Inter.

Who is "Goose" lmao?

And for once twitter is quite dead in terms of rumours about Oscar, last few days I think hes been the most talked about thing on twitter lol. In fact I think the only rumours I've heard today are about PSG possibly signing Ibra and Thiago Silva.. and Modric leaving but we all knew that.

[TacticalBlues 2,817]

Who is "Goose" lmao?

And for once twitter is quite dead in terms of rumours about Oscar, last few days I think hes been the most talked about thing on twitter lol. In fact I think the only rumours I've heard today are about PSG possibly signing Ibra and Thiago Silva.. and Modric leaving but we all knew that.

Goose is Ganso's nickname.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

Goose is Ganso's nickname.

Oh, should be dead goose because he's basically washed up now tbh. Not the same talent he was 2 years ago.

[TacticalBlues 2,817]

Oh, should be dead goose because he's basically washed up now tbh. Not the same talent he was 2 years ago.

Have you noticed the Brazillians with nicknames of birds are very injury prone.

Duck = Pato

Ganso = Goose

[Duppy Conqueror 1,526]

the best player Brazil ever had (in the eyes of some) was garrincha. he would be classed as disabled today. don`t know if he`s called the mallard tho...

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Yes, but DiSanto or Breno never played part in their national teams. To be in brasil team, you simply have to be good. Media famed Lucas and Neymar so much, but looking at Oscar in friendlies, he was better than anyone of those two. I guess a bit underrated. That is why no one realy knew him before.

It is risk, but the reward is even higher in the end. And why do you need to trust him more than just potential? Because not every 20years old player becomes playmaker in brasilian squad and plays so well against adult teams of Argentina with Messi or Denmark.

Yes, you have to be good to play in any decent national side, making that level means you have at least a certain quality, but it doesn't mean you are fantastic by any stretch of the imagination. There are a lot of factors. Depth of the position in the country, style of play of the coach, direction of the squad, etc... This is not the Brazilian team of a decade ago, filled with stars who played regularly for top European clubs (Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Roberto Carlos, etc...). They are going full-on with youth which I think is probably good for them long-term and for the World Cup, but it means that players that are older like Ronaldinho, Ramires, and Kaka, don't really play. Do you think Sandro is a world-class talent because he plays regularly for Brazil? Giuliano? Do you think Meireles is a fantastic player because he starts for Portugal? Jordan Henderson must be amazing, he got called up for England. Is Mata crap because he almost never plays for Spain? Are you really trying to argue that Oscar's 6 caps are proof that he's a great player? Do you think everyone who has ever played for Brazil has gone on to be a world-class player?

And Neymar is much sought-after because of his achievements in the league. He was named best forward in Brazil the last two seasons. He was named best player in Brazil last year. He was named South American player of the year last season, he scored more goals than anybody else in Brazil in the last two seasons. To be the best player in Brazil at 18 and 19 is incredible. It's like Hazard, someone very young who has dominated a decent league. Even he might not be great in Europe, but there is a real reason why he's so hyped. You simply cannot say the same thing about Oscar (or Lucas Moura or any of the other Brazilian wunderkind)

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

Dunno if it's been posted yet, but I sincerely suggest you guys take a look at this:

http://forums.cfcnet.co.uk/index.php/topic/54007-oscar/page__st__300__p__1154433#entry1154433

Mr.brasileiro is one heck of an expert of Brazilian talents and Brazilian football, extremely insightful opinions, highly recommended!!!!

[bluephoenix 1,131]

in or out ... i just hope that RDM rotates the squad well... he is 20 and I am a bit skeptical that we might loan him out ... Marin, Hazard,Oscar, KDM, Lukaku ...i am trying to figure out what our starting 11 would look like ?

and since I don't know anything about Oscar, can any one tell if he is really worth the hype ???

PS: I am sorry if ^^^^ a reply has been posted

[didierforever 7,349]

rambo won't play on the right.. he will play a deeper role depending on oppositions, mikel

Ramirez

i dont see y rambo cant play on the right wing. throughout the last season he had proved his worth in that position and got better at it. his tracking back is awesome , his pace is his biggest weapon and he can really hit big teams on the counter whereas if he is playin in a deeper role he cant venture ahead much, his tackling is not that good and same can be said about his range of passing. in short rambo should be our no.1 rw unless marin can prove otherwise.

[Hutcho 8,443]

i dont see y rambo cant play on the right wing. throughout the last season he had proved his worth in that position and got better at it. his tracking back is awesome , his pace is his biggest weapon and he can really hit big teams on the counter whereas if he is playin in a deeper role he cant venture ahead much, his tackling is not that good and same can be said about his range of passing. in short rambo should be our no.1 rw unless marin can prove otherwise.

He rarely ever played RW last season. For 90% of the season we played a 4-3-3, and he was in the midfield being the most advanced of the 3. He can play there, though i highly doubt he will.

[TacticalBlues 2,817]

And the Oscar goes to... Chelsea!

Let's hope he does sign!

[Kisho 33]

I think its pretty much a done deal once olympics is done. crossed fingers, really hope we get him

[BlueLyon 9,359]

As that brasileirao said, Oscar would fit best at CAM. Partly I agree with him, he plays there all time and could evolve to Ozil level or even higher, if we put him in double pivot, his evolution/progress might be damaged. From videos, yes he might play deeper than Mata or Hazard, but not in same line as Mikel. More like this:

-----Mikel------------

---------Oscar-------

Hulk?-Mata-Hazard

--------Torres-------

That would do, Oscar would have free role in middle, he is also known for his hard work to get ball back and contribute in defensive actions, but we shouldnt force him to play more defensive. His creative spark might be damaged then. Specialy I think first two seasons, he should work on position that suits him most and then, once he gets used to play in PL and evolves further, we might try him to play bit more defensive. Like Lamps who played as attacking mid, but later got some defensive abilities aswell. Definately Oscar shouldnt play CDM, but some free role between Mikel and Mata.