Oscar

[meetdoscar 335]

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[meetdoscar 335]

I've already answered all those points, stating them again we'd just be going in circles. No offense mate, but your main argument seems to be "Oscar can play in 4-3-3 because I believe he can". Well I can't see it. I've never seen him play there and the only time he's played in central midfield with us he was terrible. Ultimately I think if you want to Oscar in 4-3-3 you will need to wingers with better defensive work-rate to balance out the team or you will be back to the main problem we had this season of two isolated players in central midfield being out numbered every time.

I agree to some extent (Can you really say Oscar is similar to Ballack, Scholes and Totti phisically and interms of defensive ability), but his ability to play in 4-3-3 and how well it works depends on who is playing next to him in the formation. Oscar in 4-3-3 with Mata and Hazard on the wings will result in the same mess we had this season..

You have been told several times oscar's statistics in terms of tackles and fouls. If dat doesn't convince you dat he is defensively sound then may be ill upload a picture of some of his tackles for you. Because he can make a tackle it makes him similar to scholes, ballack. Mata and sturridge(hazard) on the wings resulted in a mess in a 4-3-3 already before oscar came in so it might be a mess just about whoever plays there.

Lastly oscar played in some games in a 4-3-3 in olympics along with romulo and sandro so he has played there before.

[bleed_blue 136]

Well if my opinion is that illogical, you should be able to disprove it without having to resort to insults and attacks, don't you think?

Your "opinion" has been disproven time and time again by others n myself.

[lucio 5,418]

oscar has proved for brazil he is good enough defensivley to play in a 4-3-3. he presses well , great workrate , can win tackles. (of course the other 2 will be better at defending eg. ramires and mikel /de rossi or gustavo , paulinho ect)

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

Marking is one thing and general defensive ability is another. We know he has the work rate to chase around a player all game, but can he tackle? Block channels and passing angles? Does he have the defensive discipline to contain the opposition and not commit to silly challenges? Can he get physical with opposition central midfielders and fight for the ball?

I have my doubts..

Can he tackle? Yes of course he can, he's one of the best tacklers on our team and undoubtedly the best in the world in his position.

Does he have the discipline? Yes, marking out Pirlo and Arteta are prime examples of instances where he was asked to do a job and not run around chase the ball.

Can he get physical? Yeah def does look like it, makes more than enough tackles and commits his fair share of fouls too.

[wj818 25]

There's no doubt tht Oscar can play as an Amf in 4-3-3. Didn't he play tht sorta role in The Confed cup?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Well I still have my doubts about his ability to play in a 4-3-3, tbh. And I don't think those doubts will go away until I actually see him playing there for us.

Your "opinion" has been disproven time and time again by others n myself.

I have absolutely no problem with that. Just please try to discuss in a more civilized manner, alright?

[communicate 2,703]

Not sure why do we have crazy debate about whether Oscar can play in 433 system. To be honest it does not really matter. Let say we play 433 with Oscar rami and mike. Oops that is back to 4231 with Oscar as no 10. The difference between 433 and 4231 is marginal. If you play a player who like to operate between the lines then it is 4231. If he operates deeper than it is 433. The problem is mata on the wing, he is disastrous defensively.

[themightyblue 443]

Bit of a weird debate here considering when Oscar does play centrally he naturally drops deep to pick up the ball and doesn't play like a traditional number 10 mainly in the final third. Would even go as far as saying when he plays centrally we end up taking the shape of a hybrid 433 system. That role as the most advanced midfielder in a 433 would suit him perfectly, it's playing him in the 'pivot' which is debatable

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Not sure why do we have crazy debate about whether Oscar can play in 433 system. To be honest it does not really matter. Let say we play 433 with Oscar rami and mike. Oops that is back to 4231 with Oscar as no 10. The difference between 433 and 4231 is marginal. If you play a player who like to operate between the lines then it is 4231. If he operates deeper than it is 433. The problem is mata on the wing, he is disastrous defensively.

Exactly what I was trying to say but in a better way :tophat:

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

Real shame he hasn't started the pre-season from day 1 under Mourinho. Fucking Confederations cup.

[wj818 25]

Not sure why do we have crazy debate about whether Oscar can play in 433 system. To be honest it does not really matter. Let say we play 433 with Oscar rami and mike. Oops that is back to 4231 with Oscar as no 10. The difference between 433 and 4231 is marginal. If you play a player who like to operate between the lines then it is 4231. If he operates deeper than it is 433. The problem is mata on the wing, he is disastrous defensively.

I agree with you. So how do we incoperate Oscar and Mata in the first 11? Any suggestions, because the way I see it mata has to adapt himself to play on the wings, if we want oscar to reach his full potential he has to play a more central role.

Let's take a formation for an example:

Hazard-ST- Mata

Oscar

De rossi- Ramires

Cole-Iva-Luiz-Azpi

Knowing mata, we should probably let him drift inwards and to cover for him, we can have Ramires and Azpi in the flanks covering him.

This is the only way I see we can incoperate both Oscar and Mata and get the best out of them. What do you think? U have any alternative in your mind?

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

I agree with you. So how do we incoperate Oscar and Mata in the first 11? Any suggestions, because the way I see it mata has to adapt himself to play on the wings, if we want oscar to reach his full potential he has to play a more central role.

Let's take a formation for an example:

Hazard-ST- Mata

Oscar

De rossi- Ramires

Cole-Iva-Luiz-Azpi

Knowing mata, we should probably let him drift inwards and to cover for him, we can have Ramires and Azpi in the flanks covering him.

This is the only way I see we can incoperate both Oscar and Mata and get the best out of them. What do you think? U have any alternative in your mind?

This is a fundamental problem. There is no system where Oscar, Mata, and Hazard will be able to be at their best. Mata, to be effective, needs to play in the middle. Even when plays on the left, he drifts into the middle. Hazard plays more like a winger but even he likes to cut into the centre. Oscar has excellent potential but right now he is clearly the the third best of the aforementioned three and for me, De-emphasizing your best player because you think Oscar has better potential just makes no sense to me.

[wj818 25]

This is a fundamental problem. There is no system where Oscar, Mata, and Hazard will be able to be at their best. Mata, to be effective, needs to play in the middle. Even when plays on the left, he drifts into the middle. Hazard plays more like a winger but even he likes to cut into the centre. Oscar has excellent potential but right now he is clearly the the third best of the aforementioned three and for me, De-emphasizing your best player because you think Oscar has better potential just makes no sense to me.

Yeah, Thts the bitter truth, I guess. We can leave out Harzard because I think he will own the right side. The problem is Oscar and Mata. Maybe the solution for now is rotating them, eventhough we may not like it.

One formation tht wil suit them both IMO is

'the diamond'

St-Mata

-Oscar-

de bruyne-Ramires

-De Rossi-

Cole-luiz-Iva-Azpi

I knw this wil never happen but, just to experiment on incoperating Those two.

Do you think this team is balanced and can work?

[communicate 2,703]

I agree with you. So how do we incoperate Oscar and Mata in the first 11? Any suggestions, because the way I see it mata has to adapt himself to play on the wings, if we want oscar to reach his full potential he has to play a more central role.

Let's take a formation for an example:

Hazard-ST- Mata

Oscar

De rossi- Ramires

Cole-Iva-Luiz-Azpi

Knowing mata, we should probably let him drift inwards and to cover for him, we can have Ramires and Azpi in the flanks covering him.

This is the only way I see we can incoperate both Oscar and Mata and get the best out of them. What do you think? U have any alternative in your mind?

Like what toronto said, there is not a best formation to get the best of our mazacar. Your formation is probably the best formation but at the same time it forces mata to do more defensively and it reduces his influence on the game by moving him to the wing.

He also made a very good point, right now mata is probably as good as anybody as no 10. In term of playmaking he is just damn good,tactically oscar is superb but as a playmaker Mata is better.

PS: We are going to have the same problem with Schurle and Hazard, because both of them at their best as left winger. Not sure why we don't go for Navas instead of schurle