Oscar

[Dion 2,476]

You cannot be more wrong, really. I hate to use this kind of argumentation, but... Have you ever played to football, or to another extend, have you practiced any sport at all ?

If you had, then, you should know that fatigue has influence upon a lot of things, such as the accuracy of your passing and crossing game, your vision, and your decision taking.

When you're tired, you lose your lucidity, concentration, calm and self-control, and, your speed of thought is slowed down. As a matter of facts, when tired, it takes you more time to take a decision, and to take the good one as well. Also, your movements become sloppy. Therefore, your finishing and accuracy, among other things, get worse. That's nature.

When I'm tired even my first touch becomes bad.

[robsblubot 3,595]

just to say I disagree with most here and thought Oscar had a good game. I certainly do not expect him to beat defenders on 1x1 as well as i don't expect him to be the one stopping Yaya's runs (that should've been Mickel). He should be our man linking up play from deep while at the same time helping defense which he did very well in the second half once Mickel was gone.

Far superior to Mata and Hazard. It was prob the worse I've seen Mata for Chelsea.

[The only place to be 11,313]

He was poor on the wings yesterday, but he really did show some heart and bite in the double pivot when Mikel went off. I think we've got to seriously think about playing him there more because I don't see him displacing Mata from the 10 spot anytime soon and he certainly isn't a winger in my opinion, especially if we get Schurrle in.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Oscar can't play in the wings, especially now he is fatigued. Playing there is worse off now, anywhere in the center is good for oscar than wings.

Sorry but he put in the most tackles for us(8) and had an 85% pass completion. He was our highest rated player in whoscored.com(7.7/10) especially in the 2nd half.

He was better than mata statistically.

[Spike 12,049]

2 Things.

1) We paid 13M for Lukaku with clauses that could take it up to 18...so half of what Oscar cost. Lots of young promising, talented players like Oxlade-Chamberlin and Phil Jones go for around what Lukaku went for. In the last 3 seasons, the midfielders who went for more than 20M have been. Hazard, Mata, Nasri, Ya Ya Toure, and Silva. All of those players were successful at a high level before the transfers. If you go a bit cheaper, you get players like Kagawa, Milner, Ramires, and Dembele.

2) Lukaku had no success his first year because he never played. He started 4 games in the entire season and 3 of those were in the League Cup. Oscar has played a full first-team season with Chelsea.

Because tho cost of transfers are spread out over the life of a contract, we're actually paying for Oscar (let's say he's making 40K/week) over 7M pounds a year. This is why despite what people want, paying big money for players you need to develop is a bad policy because you have to pay big money while they are developing which means that the financial benefit you get later in the contract is mitigated by your losses earlier in the contract... (Also, as KDB and Courtois and others have shown, you can get very good quality youngsters for cheaper anyway).

James Milner cost City over 20 million.

[Spike 12,049]

Oh thanks, and I've played sports all of me life but not with the intensity they do so, I never experienced any of those. and I know he needs some weeks off to get himself together (: .

Another thing to consider is that willpower is dispensable. It will only take you so far before giving in. Think of it as petrol, it gets all used up and takes time to fill back up.

Tired players may seem like they don't care, but there willpower has just been drained. Of course some players in fact, don't care.

[didierforever 7,349]

Oscar can't play in the wings, especially now he is fatigued. Playing there is worse off now, anywhere in the center is good for oscar than wings.

Sorry but he put in the most tackles for us(8) and had an 85% pass completion. He was our highest rated player in whoscored.com(7.7/10) especially in the 2nd half.

He was better than mata statistically.

even mikel had a 85% pass completion, does that make him better than mata statistically.

[yuvala 2,167]

just to say I disagree with most here and thought Oscar had a good game. I certainly do not expect him to beat defenders on 1x1 as well as i don't expect him to be the one stopping Yaya's runs (that should've been Mickel). He should be our man linking up play from deep while at the same time helping defense which he did very well in the second half once Mickel was gone.

Far superior to Mata and Hazard. It was prob the worse I've seen Mata for Chelsea.

You got a point there..

Mata always play bad against City I feel.. its like he's too small and when given proper marking on him he cant seem to do much, he needs freedom. I'm no tactician but there must be a way, a certain tactic that could get Mata free, cause when this guy has freedom...

Oscar just doesnt fit in the wide position he is given, he should be more of a linking man between the defence and Hazard\Mata\Torres\Ba. I feel like he would work in a more of a middle position, but seems like Mata already took charge of that position.

And another thing about Oscar, he showed good fighting spirit and will to win!

[BlueLion. 21,491]

He was poor on the wings yesterday, but he really did show some heart and bite in the double pivot when Mikel went off. I think we've got to seriously think about playing him there more because I don't see him displacing Mata from the 10 spot anytime soon and he certainly isn't a winger in my opinion, especially if we get Schurrle in.

Agreed. Someone with Oscar's dynamism in the pivot is exactly what we need. He's no Essien (at his peak) as he is a totally different breed of player, but he could certainly be moulded into a Xabi Alonso-type if he is played there on a consistent basis. Just the shame the coaches don't recognise it.

[IliyaDamyanov 43]

Oscar is playmaker....he is CM not AMC, nor RW/LW ! He should play with our DM in the centre and to rotate him with Lampard

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

James Milner cost City over 20 million.

Yeah, that's true and it was a poor signing. He's a decent player, but not near elite. Still, the overall group of midfielders signed in this range (and even lower) is excellent.

[Korea 734]

Yeah, that's true and it was a poor signing. He's a decent player, but not near elite. Still, the overall group of midfielders signed in this range (and even lower) is excellent.

Brazil players are all bought via potential....

LUCAS. Oscar and neymar will follow with high transfer cost. Even freaking ganso was going to be sold high a few seasons ago.

On a side note, what players actually fulfilled their high transfer cost this season........

Besides rvp and santi.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Oscar has LOADS of potential but there is something seriously wrong with him, It seems he's not mentally ready for anymore action. It's not 'bout his fitness. Dayum! Passing and crossing has nothing to do with the fatigue, There weren't a single cross that reached it's destination, and his passing was a little better than Mikel which is no achievement -__-

I could be completely wrong but if i were Rafa, I would only use him as a sub, only in the games where we are aready leading by two goals or something.

Imo He has done his work for this season, and I believe, his next season would be lots better with a proper pivot (:

Wrong.

Your skill related fitness suffers if your physical fitness levels (ie. cardio respiratory endurance) drops.

Being tired means you can only perform at 60-75% percent of your ability which can result in poor passes/crosses/dribbles etc.

Only time PE theory has ever come in useful...

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Brazil players are all bought via potential....

LUCAS. Oscar and neymar will follow with high transfer cost. Even freaking ganso was going to be sold high a few seasons ago.

On a side note, what players actually fulfilled their high transfer cost this season........

Besides rvp and santi.

It depends what you mean by high cost. There were really only 3 expensive players coming into the Premier League this season (over 20M) so obviously not going to be a lot of bargains there. Lots of good value at lower costs though. (Nestasic, Michu, Vertonghen, Benteke, etc...)

[kellzfresh 7,229]

even mikel had a 85% pass completion, does that make him better than mata statistically.

Oscar also made the most tackles in the match. More than ramires, mikel and mata combined. Its not a shame to say mata had a terrible game for us yesterday, because he did. The only reason oscar looked almost as bad as him is because he played in the wings in the first half. If oscar was rated only when he played in the center, he would be the man of the match for chelsea.

[Korea 734]

I miss Oscar long passing!

[Leif 6,006]

I think he'll be fine. He was brought in to our future main attacking midfielder I feel. I think he's only being played on the wing due to lack of options. Really though, he should be rotating with and covering for Mata at the moment, with a proper winger on the right.

Let's say we buy someone for the right hand side - Hulk for example. That gives us Hazard - Mata - Hulk.

On the days where Mata isn't needed/wanted, or we want someone with a higher work-rate than Mata, that line changes to Hazard - Oscar - Hulk.

When those days come where Oscar gets to play in the centre but with our #1 wingers on each side of him, he'll get the chance to even displace Mata if he's good enough.

Oscar's future depends not on what he does, but what the board does.

It would be best for him to play second-fiddle to Mata in the central position (for now) with a proper winger in his position, than to have him as the starting winger so often on the right hand side, which both deters his natural game and brings down our team in general.

He's not Brazil's best player (if you discount Silva perhaps) due to magic. He's talented. Very talented.

We'll only see the best of him when he's playing in our best possible team with him included and Mata sitting out. It's as simple as that.

He's still young too, so being used on the wing one game then central the next must just confuse him making him more prone to error. He's human.

Hopefully he reaches Kaka's heights and not Diego's unfulfilled promise.

[didierforever 7,349]

Oscar also made the most tackles in the match. More than ramires, mikel and mata combined. Its not a shame to say mata had a terrible game for us yesterday, because he did. The only reason oscar looked almost as bad as him is because he played in the wings in the first half. If oscar was rated only when he played in the center, he would be the man of the match for chelsea.

no one is saying that mata dint have a poor game but oscar was awful too. he is been playing on the wings since FSW took over and that is november. 4 months should be more than enough for him to make the apt and suitable adjustments in his games and especially show some character in such a big game.

i totally agree that he was good when playing in the pivot. but that does not give us any solutions to our current predicament. oscar cant play as a DM even if our only option there is MIKEL. he seems so fatigued i seriously doubt if he can play in the box to box role and do as good as rambo in that role. which leaves him behind the striker. that position is fixed for mata and justifiably. plus sending mata on the wing would be going down the same road as RDM's where iva was exposed thoroughly due to absolutely no cover from the winger. so the point is if oscar fits our current system with his current limitations specially since we have a more than good replacement in moses.

[Korea 734]

no one is saying that mata dint have a poor game but oscar was awful too. he is been playing on the wings since FSW took over and that is november. 4 months should be more than enough for him to make the apt and suitable adjustments in his games and especially show some character in such a big game.

i totally agree that he was good when playing in the pivot. but that does not give us any solutions to our current predicament. oscar cant play as a DM even if our only option there is MIKEL. he seems so fatigued i seriously doubt if he can play in the box to box role and do as good as rambo in that role. which leaves him behind the striker. that position is fixed for mata and justifiably. plus sending mata on the wing would be going down the same road as RDM's where iva was exposed thoroughly due to absolutely no cover from the winger. so the point is if oscar fits our current system with his current limitations specially since we have a more than good replacement in moses.

how is watching Football on 240p working out?

[didierforever 7,349]

how is watching Football on 240p working out?

better than watching football wearing oscar tinted glasses...