Oscar

[Rmpr 8,977]

Seems that people are starting to compare Oscar and Coutinho on Twitter. Yet another player comparison obsession!

LOOOOOOOL!

In Brazil it would end with one sentence, Oscar > Coutinho.

[juko 19]

next season he's going to be better i think with a new coach which believes on him and with more experience but i don't see him as a world class player. he takes any initiative and always depends on who plays on the pitch

[Mufassir08 2,400]

Seems that people are starting to compare Oscar and Coutinho on Twitter. Yet another player comparison obsession!

Its mainly the liverpool fans who are making those comparisons.I think coutinho has been very good for liverpool so far.

[Korea 734]

Oscar is burning out starting for both Brazil and Chelsea.....

[Jack Uzzi 54]

Don't know why Mata and Oscar were below pair this afternoon. But Oscar will improve and be better next season.

[Rmpr 8,977]

A good comparison is with Coutinho 20 years old and a Brazilian. In January this year Liverpool bought him for 8 + million pounds from InterMilan on Rafa's recommendation. (Oscar was 20 + million). He has only played about 7/8 games has scored 2 goals and has about 5 assists. He is far more incisive than Oscar, some of his passes into the box are out of this world and he is not afraid to shoot. He is fast and direct. He runs with the ball at his feet and usually beats his man. His passes are hard and accurate. He rarely loses the ball.

In contrast, Oscar runs badly with the ball at his feet, does not have many ideas about beating a man and very frequently gives the ball away to the opposition allowing them to counteract when Chelsea is stretched. He is not a genuine playmaker his passes are soft and hit and miss. When all is going well and he has plenty of space and is not being pressured by defenders, he can swing in a good kick. He has flashes of promise but altogether is not good enough yet.

Have you ever asked yourself why Oscar wears Brazil #10 and Coutinho doesnt even make the cut?

[Mufassir08 2,400]

Have you ever asked yourself why Oscar wears brazil #10 and Coutinho doesnt even make the cut?

LOL!!Two whole paragraphs answered by one simple sentence.

[Jase 43,479]

Thought he was rather poor today. Maybe it's the effect of playing 3-4 games in the past week & over the course of the season but he kept losing the ball against Sunderland. Poor passes and poor touches. Hope he can pick up his form, especially in the league.

[lucio 5,418]

all three of mazacar were below par. i would use them sparingly vs rubin and moses should defintely start

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Thought he was rather poor today. Maybe it's the effect of playing 3-4 games in the past week & over the course of the season but he kept losing the ball against Sunderland. Poor passes and poor touches. Hope he can pick up his form, especially in the league.

He's 21, and has played 4 games in 8/9 days and 50+ matches in total all season (not including friendlies and internationals). He's bound to be freakin' knackered, so one off-game isn't going to surprise me every now and again.

[Peace. 4,352]

He's 21, and has played 4 games in 8/9 days and 50+ matches in total all season (not including friendlies and internationals). He's bound to be freakin' knackered, so one off-game isn't going to surprise me every now and again.

Yeah.

Furthermore, we do need to realize that league seasons in Brazil start in May, if I got it right. According to wikipedia, he has played 5 games in the league, 9 in the league cup (I don't know to which competition it refers) and 6 in the continental competition (Copa Libertadores or Sudamerica ?) — which amounts to 20 games before joining us. I don't really know how works the Copa, nor the league cup there, so I can't tell whether all these games started after May, though... Maybe a brazilian member can help to work out this matter ?

Under our colours, he has played 53 games, the same amount as Mata...! He also has played 5 games during the Olympics this summer, and we can assume than since the start of his football season in Brazil to right now, he has played more or less 10 games (?). That's a long and tiresome season, especially when you consider the difference in pace between his home country and the football here. No wonders he has some games off every now and then, especially late in the season !

[RedWhite&BLUE 37]

Oscar is just going through the "first season" wobbles that I expected both he and Hazard to have.

With as many appearances as he's racked up it's easy to forget that this is just season one for him in the PL. up until this move he was just playing in Brazil with the occasional NT appearance.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Yeah.

Furthermore, we do need to realize that league seasons in Brazil start in May, if I got it right. According to wikipedia, he has played 5 games in the league, 9 in the league cup (I don't know to which competition it refers) and 6 in the continental competition (Copa Libertadores or Sudamerica ?) — which amounts to 20 games before joining us. I don't really know how works the Copa, nor the league cup there, so I can't tell whether all these games started after May, though... Maybe a brazilian member can help to work out this matter ?

Under our colours, he has played 53 games, the same amount as Mata...! He also has played 5 games during the Olympics this summer, and we can assume than since the start of his football season in Brazil to right now, he has played more or less 10 games (?). That's a long and tiresome season, especially when you consider the difference in pace between his home country and the football here. No wonders he has some games off every now and then, especially late in the season !

He is basically having 1 season and a half...

First, there are a lot of confusion with Brazilian calendar. The season starts in February and ends in December. From Feb-April, only State Championships are played (traditional, long forgoten pretigious, tournaments), alongside the group stage of Libertadores. Between June and July are the later stages of Libertadores. From May-Dec, we play Campeonato Brasileiro. Sul-Americana is played from Aug-Dec (but since Inter was in Libertadores, they dont play it). Copa do Brasil is played throughout the whole year.

In 2010, he was able to terminate his contract with Sao Paulo FC at the age of 18 (when the contract changes from youth to professional), deciding to join Internacional. He broke into the team (regularly) in 2011. He played about 30-35 games overall, with amazing displays at FIFA U-20 WC (hattrick in the final).

In 2012, Oscar had his contract put in jeopardy, because Brazilian Court said SPFC had the right to sign him (since they pratically raised him since a kid). He played the first 9 games of the season in Campeonato Gaucho (State Championships, not League Cup). He also played the frist 3 games of Libertadores. After that, it took about 2-3 months for him and the two clubs to reach an agreement (Inter payed 10 miilion euros to SPFC). He said this was a very sad momment of his life, because he would go train everyday and saw his buddies going to the games and he had to stay at home watching. When it was all clear, he had time to play the second-leg of Libertadores first knock-out round and the two games of the quarter-finals (which they lost to Santos and Neymar, the Puskas Goal game if you remember). Before the Olympics, he still participated in 5 League clashes....

In London, he was transfered to Chelsea for 25 million euros and played every single game of the competition, being one of the very few players (along with Marcelo and Damiao) to not get hammered after that shameful Mexico lost. Since then, we all know how things went. This has been a very long year and a half for Oscar, lots of games and lots of adjustments. I only wish RDM had stayed so he could have more opportunities at his position and not at shit RW with shit FSW!

I am more than certain Oscar will have a better next season though. He will work on his body and will be way more familiar with England and English. I am also very happy Luiz is there to help him!

[Korea 734]

If Oscar keeps playing on the wings long term, your going to start hearing murmurs of a transfer request.

[didierforever 7,349]

i am suprised how quite this thread is compared to what u read when u go thru a mikel or a moses thread.

for me he has had a very average season.given that he has played a lot of football in the last year and given that even the most accomplished footballers have struggled in PL, an average season should not be very suprising. but it is not his performances that worry me, its his attitude. sometimes i feel he could not care less about the team and that is what is worrying me the most as a 20-21 year old player with his potential and a big and popular club career at chelsea should not be acting this way.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

i am suprised how quite this thread is compared to what u read when u go thru a mikel or a moses thread.

for me he has had a very average season.given that he has played a lot of football in the last year and given that even the most accomplished footballers have struggled in PL, an average season should not be very suprising. but it is not his performances that worry me, its his attitude. sometimes i feel he could not care less about the team and that is what is worrying me the most as a 20-21 year old player with his potential and a big and popular club career at chelsea should not be acting this way.

Let me ask you something Mr Genious:

Can you see a clear differance in his performance when he's on the wing and when he's positioned centrally?

I think some people here are really naive sometimes. Playing on the wing and centrally isnt the same thing at all. Some people even seem to think that a midfielder should be able to play as good as winger, AM, CAM etc. That is just not true.

[didierforever 7,349]

Let me ask you something Mr Genious:

Can you see a clear differance in his performance when he's on the wing and when he's positioned centrally?

I think some people here are really naive sometimes. Playing on the wing and centrally isnt the same thing at all. Some people even seem to think that a midfielder should be able to play as good as winger, AM, CAM etc. That is just not true.

first of all no need to get snippy (MR. genious). if u want a discussion/debate i will give u one but let it be clean. all of us have different opinions and there is no need to ridicule one just because it is different from yours.

secondly, obviously there is a big difference in oscar that played under rdm (centrally) and the one playing under FSW (as a winger). but read my comment again. do i complain more about his performances or his attitude. if its not clear from the 1st comment its his attitude that bothers me. his performances have been dropping consistently and there can be a number of factors contributing to it (played on the wing, fatigue, over-exposed) but lately i have felt a lack of passion from him.

ps - accepted he has struggled on the wings, but i still feel his 2 worst performances have been when he played centrally (against qpr at home and southampton away) when both mata and hazard dint start.

[edetarod 2,155]

a good player can play in any position

a bad player will make excuses wherever he's played

[Korea 734]

a good player can play in any position

a bad player will make excuses wherever he's played

I guess messi a bad player too.

[Peace. 4,352]

Right now, I am wondering how can one question Oscar attitude and how can someone could say that the young Brazilian doesn't care about Chelsea ? I am very curious. As for myself, I find Oscar's attitude quite ethic. He is doing a relentless and reliable work-rate, and his application and will while doing his defensive duties are faultless. On this very aspect, he gives more of himself than what Mata and Hazard do — to put things in perspective. Finally, I find it rich to criticize Oscar upon his attitude and to say he does not care about Chelsea... I can name an handful of players who look less disinterested toward the Club and give less passion — and these players aren't really bench warmers, if you know what I mean.