Daniel Sturridge

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I would take Sturridge over Torres any day of the week, without even thinking about it for 0,1 sec.

Realistically, it would be neither if we're serious about moving forward and competing for top honours. Danny has had chances in the team and what he has shown time and time again is that he IS NOT A TEAM PLAYER.

When players disappear for a few months with injuries, their myth grows and they become the answer to all our problems. I fully expect Romeu to become the next Makelele whilst he's on the sidelines. With Danny, the idea is greater than the reality. His attitude when asked to play on the wing was shit - we don't want players like that. He didn't play for the badge or even for his teammates. He played for himself.

Now maybe he'll mature at Liverpool but right now he can't do a job for us. Moses was bought as his replacement and he's been an excellent one at that.

Danny also had a chance at West Brom when he had to clear cut opportunities. He missed both. I don't care if his name is Sturridge or Torres or John Smith - those are the chances that top-class strikers put away and he failed (please note I'm not judging his whole ability on that one game, but have clearly also referred to his career as a whole - I merely present it as an illustration).

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I would say that a goal every 188 minutes on the field on average in 4 seasons is quite good, it's another matter he was never given a prolonged run in the team in his favorite position.

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I'd say that 188 goals every minute is better though.

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If he goes to Liverpool, you can bet your life on it that he will score the next time we play them.

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I'd say that 188 goals every minute is better though.

It's actually 172 minutes per goal if I include his stint with Bolton.Four season he has had a total of 5504 minutes on the field, scoring 32 goals. No doubt he will be in double figures if he is fit at his next club and playing regularly.

Torres has over 2100 minutes in just half a season. Yet some people say we've given Sturridge a chance.

Hope we get Benzema in the summer if the Falcao to Real rumors are true

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It's actually 172 minutes per goal if I include his stint with Bolton.Four season he has had a total of 5504 minutes on the field, scoring 32 goals. No doubt he will be in double figures if he is fit at his next club and playing regularly.

Torres has over 2100 minutes in just half a season. Yet some people say we've given Sturridge a chance

It's actually 172 minutes per goal if I include his stint with Bolton.Four season he has had a total of 5504 minutes on the field, scoring 32 goals. No doubt he will be in double figures if he is fit at his next club and playing regularly.

Torres has over 2100 minutes in just half a season. Yet some people say we've given Sturridge a chance

The problem is the coaching staff have looked at Sturridge and not seen a team player. Yes strikers need to be selfish, but he takes it to absurd lengths.

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Just Not To Loserpool.

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Looking at your avatar your comments don't surprise me

Why it matter what picture they have?

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The problem is the coaching staff have looked at Sturridge and not seen a team player. Yes strikers need to be selfish, but he takes it to absurd lengths.

Nope, for example Moses had more shots and less through balls last season than Sturridge yet we signed him. The whole Sturridge is overly selfish tripe is unfounded - if you for example say that he made an incorrect decision when there were better alternatives it would be correct but Sturridge is no more selfish than a lot of players in the League.

AVB is the one who decided to play a left footed player on the right wing after we failed to sign anyone else, and Sturridge managed to win us as many points as Lampard last season last season. Our managers are obviously under pressure to play particular players up top even if we have better alternatives.

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12m for us is not bad business at all if true, Liverpool just have to hope he can get back the form he had before getting injured last season - because after that he was bad, very bad.

But i'd also say Liverpool need a clinical striker and not Sturridge, who i see more like a second striker(/inverted winger), just like Suarez.

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Judging people by who or what happens to be in their avatar isn't a valid reason to discredit their opinion.

When I see him with the ball I feel like punching him in the face, knowing he'd most surely take a wasteful shot, destroying our attack.

I thought I went easy on him after that comment actually, but I guess there are idiots out there that are willing to stick up for the retarded comments some members make in this forum

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I'd say that 188 goals every minute is better though.

stop Messi(ng ) about

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Nope, for example Moses had more shots and less through balls last season than Sturridge yet we signed him. The whole Sturridge is overly selfish tripe is unfounded - if you for example say that he made an incorrect decision when there were better alternatives it would be correct but Sturridge is no more selfish than a lot of players in the League.

AVB is the one who decided to play a left footed player on the right wing after we failed to sign anyone else, and Sturridge managed to win us as many points as Lampard last season last season. Our managers are obviously under pressure to play particular players up top even if we have better alternatives.

It's not tripe though. Watch him play and tell me he isn't selfish. It's not something people have made up for fun and I'm pretty sure I haven't imagined the groans that follow a long range shot when other options are on.

Comparing him to Moses is a little unfair when they play for different clubs and had to perform very different roles at those clubs. There seems to be a trend on here to post stats without acknowledging context. I'm a big fan of the 'eye test' alongside stats.

12m for us is not bad business at all if true, Liverpool just have to hope he can get back the form he had before getting injured last season - because after that he was bad, very bad.

But i'd also say Liverpool need a clinical striker and not Sturridge, who i see more like a second striker(/inverted winger), just like Suarez.

Thing is, he moans about not getting a chance up front yet he's going to a team who play with one-up front and just happen to have one of the best strikers in the league. If he plays opposite Sterling they might have something but unless Sturridge becomes a team player then he won't last long there.

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It's not tripe though. Watch him play and tell me he isn't selfish. It's not something people have made up for fun and I'm pretty sure I haven't imagined the groans that follow a long range shot when other options are on.

Comparing him to Moses is a little unfair when they play for different clubs and had to perform very different roles at those clubs. There seems to be a trend on here to post stats without acknowledging context. I'm a big fan of the 'eye test' alongside stats.

Agreed. Besides being a team player isn't so much as just passing the football, which he does not do very often, but tracking back, moving into channels, defend and tackle to win the ball back (not just for show). These coaches see more than we do; they also keep actual data not only from matches, but also practice.

Agreed on the stats too. Stats mean very little when taken out of context. The worst and most overused stat IMO is pass accuracy, which would lead anyone to conclude that Gareth Barry is better than Messi. We are in the age of the glorified side-passer though.

Thing is, he moans about not getting a chance up front yet he's going to a team who play with one-up front and just happen to have one of the best strikers in the league. If he plays opposite Sterling they might have something but unless Sturridge becomes a team player then he won't last long there.

The problem is that he thinks he a lot better than he actually is.

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It's not tripe though. Watch him play and tell me he isn't selfish. It's not something people have made up for fun and I'm pretty sure I haven't imagined the groans that follow a long range shot when other options are on.

Comparing him to Moses is a little unfair when they play for different clubs and had to perform very different roles at those clubs. There seems to be a trend on here to post stats without acknowledging context. I'm a big fan of the 'eye test' alongside stats.

The problem is exactly the context, he was played on the right wing when he is a left footed forward. He had never played on the right wing before and he had never trained his right foot for crossing in particular. First of all Sturridge is not overly selfish - he makes a wrong decision on a regular basis which is normal for a player who only recently started playing regular football in the EPL. But it's also the manager's decision to play a player out of position in a place where a one footed player might find it difficult to cross from. AVB decided not to sign a right winger and play Sturridge there as a left footed player who is not used to playing as a winger(just spend 6 months leading the line for Bolton), it's natural he would cut in and sometimes take the wrong decision. But at the same time he had twice as many goals as Moses from a wide position - despite having about 10 shots less than Moses last season. He had the most through balls out of Nani/Sinclair/Moses with a pass every 3 minutes.

He is a young player who on-loan at Bolton had a total of 50 shots, 20 of which were on target and 8 were converted into goals. We have not given him the time on the field to really prove himself here he has been at Chelsea for 3 years - before going on loan to Bolton he had 3 starts the entire first half of our season against Ipswich; Zhilina(2). He had 4 goals in these 3 games, next year when he returned from his loan he played one match up top together with Lukaku I believe against Blackburn.

Thing is, he moans about not getting a chance up front yet he's going to a team who play with one-up front and just happen to have one of the best strikers in the league. If he plays opposite Sterling they might have something but unless Sturridge becomes a team player then he won't last long there.

He doesn't moan any more than Theo moans about starting centrally for Arsenal; or Dzeko at City for not starting. He has played 1/4 of their time this season despite being available for 14 matches this half a season out of those 14 matches he started two and played as a striker for a total of 200 minutes(120 United; 30 W'Brom; 10 QPR; 10 United(when we were down to 9 men); 21 Donestk; 9 Liverpool).

Liverpool will no doubt employ a tactic where players drift out of position with Suarez; Sturridge and Sterling interchanging.

I'd wager you an avatar change that he gets into double figures in Liverpool in half a season provided he doesn't get a long term injury if you are so certain he will flop.

Agreed. Besides being a team player isn't so much as just passing the football, which he does not do very often, but tracking back, moving into channels, defend and tackle to win the ball back (not just for show). These coaches see more than we do; they also keep actual data not only from matches, but also practice.

He had the most through balls out of Nani/Sinclair/Moses with a pass every 3 minutes.

First of all the whole tracking back; defending and being able to tackle and winning the ball back is a lot of tripe - Mata and Hazard aren't any better at doing any of those thing either. Because it's not their job, if you want someone to get stuck in as our forward maybe you should you check out Torres's red card against Swansea last season - meaningless, that's why players trained to defend need to get "stuck in" all we can ask from creative players is to pressure defenders and try to intercept balls or wait for defenders to screw up(like against United)

Agreed on the stats too. Stats mean very little when taken out of context. The worst and most overused stat IMO is pass accuracy, which would lead anyone to conclude that Gareth Barry is better than Messi. We are in the age of the glorified side-passer though.

The problem is that he thinks he a lot better than he actually is.

Here are some stats for you to maul over from last year, him and Lampard won us the most points via their goals last season.

People only want to notice the "bad" parts of Sturridge game - I have not heard a single person mention the three chances he setup for Moses against United, two of which came before he had scored in that game. One was a clear scoring chance from a few yards away with no defender in front of Moses who fired it straight at the keeper after Sturridge laid it off to him from the right flank. The other chance was similar to the chance Sturridge setup for Hazard against Donetsk a clever one touch allowing Moses to be one on one against a United defender and the third was the one on one chance Moses missed at the end of the game.

The other positive was he continued to make runs for 120 minutes and his head never went down, he continued to try and although he made 3 awful decisions that match, that was understandable after playing for the first time as a striker at the club since Blackburn last season and first start this season after about 60 minutes on the field as a sub in the rest of our games.