David Luiz

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

This thread (and the general media attitude in England) shows just how different the English thinking is on many aspects of football compared to otther parts of the world.

On the one hand he constantly gets critisized for his apparent rash behavior and acting against what is considered the English way of defending.

Yet on the other hand he is almost certain to be the first choice Centre back (along with Thiago Silva) for the Brazil teamin the world cup and is often seen as as someone clubs are willing to pay £30 million pounds for.

[Special Juan 27,424]

This thread (and the general media attitude in England) shows just how different the English thinking is on many aspects of football compared to otther parts of the world.

On the one hand he constantly gets critisized for his apparent rash behavior and acting against what is considered the English way of defending.

Yet on the other hand he is almost certain to be the first choice Centre back (along with Thiago Silva) for the Brazil teamin the world cup and is often seen as as someone clubs are willing to pay £30 million pounds for.

It has nothing to do with how English think at all, it's as simple as this.....

He's inconsistent for Chelsea.......Yet solid for Brazil

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

It has nothing to do with how English think at all, it's as simple as this.....

He's inconsistent for Chelsea.......Yet solid for Brazil

And who is the team that is likely to win the World Cup or atleast do well in it? Brazil with its defence that is allowed to take a more free form with defenders like Luiz allowed to move forward with the ballat their feet, or England who will have the likes of Cahill and Jagielka? And despite Chelsea doing well in this season's champions league and the commercial side of the Premier league claiming its the best league in the world; there is a school of thought thought that teams in the Premier league are on the decline and that the worlds top talentsare rejecting England to play their football in the likes of Germany and Spain and therefore we will not see the Englishdomination of the Champions league between 2005-2012 for a long time.

Just a thought, considering like I said if media reports are to believe clubs in Europe are willing to pay £30 million pounds for him.

[Special Juan 27,424]

And who is the team that is likely to win the World Cup or atleast do well in it? Brazil with its defence that is allowed to take a more free form with defenders like Luiz allowed to move forward with the ballat their feet, or England who will have the likes of Cahill and Jagielka? And despite Chelsea doing well in this season's champions league and the commercial side of the Premier league claiming its the best league in the world; there is a school of thought thought that teams in the Premier league are on the decline and that the worlds top talentsare rejecting England to play their football in the likes of Germany and Spain and therefore we will not see the Englishdomination of the Champions league between 2005-2012 for a long time.

Just a thought, considering like I said if media reports are to believe clubs in Europe are willing to pay £30 million pounds for him.

I'm sorry but you are asking the wrong person about the World Cup and who will do well in it because I don't watch International football, I just read up after games on players from Chelsea and their performance/ratings.

Plus if your using the English media as a yard stick I would seriously go elsewhere.

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

I'm sorry but you are asking the wrong person about the World Cup and who will do well in it because I don't watch International football, I just read up after games on players from Chelsea and their performance/ratings.

Plus if your using the English media as a yard stick I would seriously go elsewhere.

I'm talking about the whole of European media.

[Special Juan 27,424]

I'm talking about the whole of European media.

Again, I don't read foreign media so I will leave you to dissect as you see fit.

[The only place to be 11,313]

On the one hand he constantly gets critisized for his apparent rash behavior and acting against what is considered the English way of defending.

No he gets criticised for not being able to concentrate for 90 minutes on defending. I don't think that's an especially English requirement for defenders.

And who is the team that is likely to win the World Cup or atleast do well in it? Brazil with its defence that is allowed to take a more free form with defenders like Luiz allowed to move forward with the ballat their feet, or England who will have the likes of Cahill and Jagielka? And despite Chelsea doing well in this season's champions league and the commercial side of the Premier league claiming its the best league in the world; there is a school of thought thought that teams in the Premier league are on the decline and that the worlds top talentsare rejecting England to play their football in the likes of Germany and Spain and therefore we will not see the Englishdomination of the Champions league between 2005-2012 for a long time.

There's also a school of thought that says that things move in cycles and that the Premier League was always going to have a downswing after a tremendous upswing, and that the same thing will happen to the other leagues.

David Luiz is probably worth £30 million to someone like Barca because he fits their style better - a style that has seen them use Mascherano in defence for the last few seasons. For us though he's somewhat untrustworthy in defence. That has nothing to do with his nationality and everything to do with his mental approach to football.

International football is not a genuine yardstick in my opinion. It's several levels below Champions League and Premier League football.

[robsblubot 3,502]

This thread (and the general media attitude in England) shows just how different the English thinking is on many aspects of football compared to otther parts of the world.

On the one hand he constantly gets critisized for his apparent rash behavior and acting against what is considered the English way of defending.

Yet on the other hand he is almost certain to be the first choice Centre back (along with Thiago Silva) for the Brazil teamin the world cup and is often seen as as someone clubs are willing to pay £30 million pounds for.

You are absolutely right and I reckon we don’t even perceive all the difference you speak of.

At some point, against Stoke, Cahill made a run forward and lost control of the football on his own, by the time he regained it, an opponent had closed him down. Not a peep from the announcer/commentator. In Brazil the announcer would have yelled, “Gary, did you forget something?! The football, perhaps?!” all in jest, but as a critique too, because ball control is the most valued trait there for any player in any position (except GK of course). In England, the announcers praise well-timed tackles all the time, which would never happen elsewhere, at least not as vehemently nor as often. Gary is an excellent tackler, btw.

I have no problems with it and this is actually one of the reasons of why I follow the PL. This is also one of the reasons England have a hard time internationally, because the direct style is not always as effective; that’s a very different discussion though.

Despite of what some may think, I’m not a loyal David Luiz fan. I merely consider him (right now) a player who can give an edge to any top side, in his own way; opinion corroborated by the interest shown in him. How to use him? That’s a problem for the manager, not mine. The moment he’s gone, he’s gone (‘gone’ has many meanings here). Has happened many times before, but most people here are too young to realize this: footballers are a fickle bunch and fans ought to feel the same way about them.

[The only place to be 11,313]

opinion corroborated by the interest shown in him.

So David Luiz is valued by a club at £30 million, ergo your opinion is corroborated?

Tremendous logic there except we valued Fernando Torres at £50 million. You see the point I'm making right - sometimes the market is very wrong.

To Barcelona, he may well be a £30 million defender.

To Chelsea, he's not even considered a defender (oh, for corroboration look at the number of times he's played for us in defence since November 2nd).

[robsblubot 3,502]

So David Luiz is valued by a club at £30 million, ergo your opinion is corroborated?

Tremendous logic there except we valued Fernando Torres at £50 million. You see the point I'm making right - sometimes the market is very wrong.

To Barcelona, he may well be a £30 million defender.

To Chelsea, he's not even considered a defender (oh, for corroboration look at the number of times he's played for us in defence since November 2nd).

That's being disingenuous, as you know very well that Torres valuation is not 50m.

The value of an asset, any asset, is what others may be willing to pay for it - not more not less. BTW, where did I write 30m?! You came up with it.

What he is considered at chelsea right now is of no importance because it pertains the current system, with a particular manager. With a different one, not long ago, he was indeed a defender. Same way he is right now a defender for Scolari (who has always a system very similar to Mourinho's). BTW, midfielders are more valuable...

[Svita 10 186]

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[The Rising Sun 709]

I honestly feel that David Luiz must be a part of Chelsea's DNA in the future, while on the other hand, another brazilian, Ramires, while he has done so much for us, should be the one we let go.

Neither of them are our first choice pivots, and that being so, i would rather have luiz rather than ramires if i had to choose between them.

[The only place to be 11,313]

That's being disingenuous, as you know very well that Torres valuation is not 50m.

The value of an asset, any asset, is what others may be willing to pay for it - not more not less. BTW, where did I write 30m?! You came up with it.

What he is considered at chelsea right now is of no importance because it pertains the current system, with a particular manager. With a different one, not long ago, he was indeed a defender. Same way he is right now a defender for Scolari (who has always a system very similar to Mourinho's). BTW, midfielders are more valuable...

The point is that at the time, Torres was valued by the market as being worth £50 million. That proved wrong much like Shvchenko's valuation and Sutton's valuation.

We can talk about systems, we can talk about valuations made by other clubs, we can talk about performances for Brazil....all so we can avoid talking about his performances for Chelsea in defence.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Said it before but media can go on and on about how specific clubs want to buy him, but Jose won't let him go.

[oldportblue 547]

he's a big game player and he's proved it over and over this season... in most games against big teams this year we've put him in midfield and he's been nothing short of amazing in almost all of them (city, pool, arse etc). being MOTM v. paris when we're 3-1 down from the first leg in a CL quarterfinal just further shows what he's made of... he's a winner and that's what jose and chelsea need

[robsblubot 3,502]

The point is that at the time, Torres was valued by the market as being worth £50 million. That proved wrong much like Shvchenko's valuation and Sutton's valuation.

We can talk about systems, we can talk about valuations made by other clubs, we can talk about performances for Brazil....all so we can avoid talking about his performances for Chelsea in defence.

Right, we paid 50m for Torres and now we cannot let him go, even if for free, because we'd still need to pay some of his wages. We paid 21m+Matic (1-3m?) for Luiz, and got a 21m offer last summer and there are rumors (nothing more) of a 30m valuation - really nothing to do with Torres.

why in defense? Why the caveat? Playing well in the middle will only raise his price as midfielders are far more expensive and rightly so, because they are far more influential in a match. I for one think that, in our current system with deep defense line, DL should definitely play in the middle.

But then again, we've been through all this before. I was just replying to an interesting point made by "Rubber Bullets."

[BlueLyon 9,359]

If Asier fucking Illaramendi is worth 40m, why wouldnt Luiz be 30? We know that most players shine once they leave Chelsea (Lukaku, Sturridge,...), Im sure Luiz would turn into world class CB in psg next to Silva or in barca (now impossible).

So, if footballing world values him at 30m, he is worth 30m. He might not be that good, but thats his worth.

Should we sell him? Absolutely fucking not. We dont need to sell him, he is still very usefull for us. He is added value and what is most important; he is our hero. The fact he was benched for much of season, staying calm, doing his job when called and giving such performance on biggest game of the year, he deserves to stay here. He isnt just nice guy like Mata was, but actualy very usefull player. We aint selling club and we dont need to sell. We will earn money on Torres, Ba, Mikel, Marin, Moses, Romeu,...potentialy even Cech and Lukaku (hopefuly not)

[BlueLyon 9,359]

look, what I found

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