Atomiswave 6,120 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, kellzfresh said: Lampard is actually right if we go by statistics, I checked. But the eye test of our defensive shape does not convince me. Yeah thats fair mate, the eye test more often than not overrules the stats test. kellzfresh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,399 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 20 minutes ago, kellzfresh said: Lampard is actually right if we go by statistics, I checked. But the eye test of our defensive shape does not convince me. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, kellzfresh said: Lampard is actually right if we go by statistics, I checked. But the eye test of our defensive shape does not convince me. It's something inbetween, there's some games where yeah our defense has been shambolic but there's been others where we have genuinely defended well and conceded from one of the very few chances (if not only chance) we allow, Arsenal at home the most grueling example. That's why i haven't turned against Frank too much despite the greenness, the underlying metrics all point to the football (we play under him) being sustainable with better players at both ends, we are already seeing it with attack as we have scored 13 goals in 5 games compared to (switching WBA for Watford) 6 in 5 in the corresponding games last season, hopefully with Silva and Mendy we see a similar upturn the other way. Blue Armour, kellzfresh and manpe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,723 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Improved defense with mendy in the post. Maybe it is true, we was bad at defense because of kepa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alabama 1,992 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, Fernando said: Improved defense with mendy in the post. Maybe it is true, we suck at defense because of kepa? Absolutely true...with Kepa in goal we are handicap of 2 goals down... killer1257 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 63 games in as Chelsea manager and finally we have our first 0-0 under Lampard... Strike, The Skipper and Henrique 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapkun 668 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Channeled his inner Mourinho today. On a serious note, I'm really disapointed with his substitutions today. He was so good at turning games around with his subs but today was horrendous. Basically threw 1 away when he made the first 2 so close to one another. 5 changes are allowed but only 3 seperate occasions. Then he took forever to make the last changes and ran Havertz and Werner to the ground. Blue Armour 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Normally i wouldn't be happy with such a tentative approach at home, but Sevilla are class and the defence needed a clean sheet badly, so fair play to Frank tonight Strike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Jase 43,479 Posted October 20, 2020 Popular Post! Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, lucio said: Normally i wouldn't be happy with such a tentative approach at home, but Sevilla are class and the defence needed a clean sheet badly, so fair play to Frank tonight Inclined to agree with that but the question going forward is, can we be threatening going forward while still looking defensively sound at the back? Because at the moment, it feels like we'll either be exciting going forward but horrendous defensively or horrendous offensively but solid in defence. Azul, dimmas, The Skipper and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaynChelsea 423 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Ziyech, Havertz, Werner, Pulisic and then we put up this shit 0007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, ZaynChelsea said: Ziyech, Havertz, Werner, Pulisic and then we put up this shit Aren't you the one desperate for Simeone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azul 1,615 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I just want one thing Lampard, and thats Ziyech and Kovacic in the line-up. That's all I ask. Strike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Inclined to agree with that but the question going forward is, can we be threatening going forward while still looking defensively sound at the back? Because at the moment, it feels like we'll either be exciting going forward but horrendous defensively or horrendous offensively but solid in defence. Will only change when we have two better midfielders. Kante is horrible with the ball and Jorgi horrible in the defensive phase. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 5 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said: Link? https://en.as.com/resultados/futbol/inglaterra/2018_2019/ranking/equipos/remates_contra/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, killer1257 said: Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk We showed that a few times last season as well TBF - e.g. Liverpool (in FA Cup), Spurs, Man City (h). But as I posted yesterday, the big question is whether we can find the balance in defence and offence without sacrificing one or the other. At the moment, we either look good offensively but rubbish defensively or rubbish offensively but good defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 We showed that a few times last season as well TBF - e.g. Liverpool (in FA Cup), Spurs, Man City (h). But as I posted yesterday, the big question is whether we can find the balance in defence and offence without sacrificing one or the other. At the moment, we either look good offensively but rubbish defensively or rubbish offensively but good defensively.Finding the right balance in defense and offense means that we have to be better in the transitioning phases of the game. When we transition from defense to offense and maybe Jorgi and Kante are not the right people to give us the balance we need in midfield. Maybe there is a reason why Lampard wanted Rice bad during summer.I may not be a fan of Rice, but he gives us at least something that Kante does not give at the moment. Still, I would not pay more than 50 million Euros for Rice[emoji23].Sadly, we do not have the midfield players that could give us the righr balance in midfield. Every potential midfield combination has significant weaknesses. If we had for instance Rice/Zakaria and Aouar, I think that midfield would be more or less pretty complete. Can defend, has the right amount of creativity and does not lose the ball often. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Atomiswave and Fernando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, killer1257 said: Finding the right balance in defense and offense means that we have to be better in the transitioning phases of the game. When we transition from defense to offense and maybe Jorgi and Kante are not the right people to give us the balance we need in midfield. Maybe there is a reason why Lampard wanted Rice bad during summer. I may not be a fan of Rice, but he gives us at least something that Kante does not give at the moment. Still, I would not pay more than 50 million Euros for Rice. Sadly, we do not have the midfield players that could give us the righr balance in midfield. Every potential midfield combination has significant weaknesses. If we had for instance Rice/Zakaria and Aouar, I think that midfield would be more or less pretty complete. Can defend, has the right amount of creativity and does not lose the ball often. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk No point talking about transfers now. Lampard has to somehow make it work until at least January... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,723 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Mana said: So we were defensively good last night, well done. But offensively we were shite. We spent £200 million, most of that went towards the forwards this summer. Sub-average performance overall, not good enough. Yes we played against the Europa League champions, but we wasted the entire first half with the strangest tactics/formation that I've ever seen in a long time. It was boring from Chelsea as well, it felt like we were parking the bus and playing counter-attacking football. If that was awesome to you, give the job back to Mourinho. Only ONE game so far this season I can go and say "That's proper Chels" and that was the Palace game. Which I'm beginning to think that maybe CP had a complete off-day considering they took the most points out of the top 6 in recent years. And no, I'm not counting Barnsley in the tally. Let me remind you we are on season number two. So "give him time" is out of the window now. We are still soul-searching for a working system after all these games. I think at this moment it wasn't about offense. We know what we can do, even in the Saint game. For the next few games I rather get results like this to build up the confidence of the defense before unleashing again up front. So good job Lampard for me in this game. Atomiswave and kellzfresh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 No point talking about transfers now. Lampard has to somehow make it work until at least January...I was just saying that we do not have the right midfield players to find the right balance. Kante runs like an idiot forward and loses the ball way too much and nowadays, he loses more and more tackles. Jorginho does not make enough world class passes regularly. Defensive wise, he has his flaws too. I really can't see a midfield combination that would give us the right balance. Maybe Kovacic and Kante, but Kovacic does not play well in a double pivot til now. Jorginho and Kante together are a pain to watch. If I was Lampard, I would buy a DM in January. I do not think Rice will be available though. Zakaria probably also not going to be available. Maybe there is someone else. France always has some good DMs in ligue 1.Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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