Jase 43,479 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tomo said: Brought through & believed in a stream of young players which has (a) saved us millions in the long term (b) given others in the academy belief there is a pathway where there wasn't before (c) beefed up our squad depth considerably. Like AVB has frozen plenty of players out, but unlike AVB has managed to get responses out of them, e.g. Giroud, Pulisic, Zouma, etc... goes in tandem with the fact there's no stories about any unrest in the camp. Roman believes in him & so have high profile signings like Havertz, Werner, etc... it takes a lot of people to make deals like that happen. If players like Havertz, who'd of had the world at his feet in 12 months, comes to Chelsea in 2020 you can be sure Lampard had a positive hand in it. The media like him. There's very few negative stories about us in general atm which helps the players stay on point (easy reason to dismiss, but more important than people think). For all the defensive & set piece issues, some of the attacking play last season was fantastic, and despite not clicking into gear yet we've still score 13 goals in 5 matches. Come early next year we'll be wrecking teams once the fluidity's there. I have my doubts on whether he can take us to the next level himself, but i have no doubt that worse case he's left a fantastic platform for someone who can (ala Ranieri to Mou). Not gonna disagree but was talking about playing style, Tomo. What is our identity? What is our playing style? What are we trying to be on the pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jason said: Not gonna disagree but was talking about playing style, Tomo. What is our identity? What is our playing style? What are we trying to be on the pitch? Trying to be direct possession based side something inbetween City and Liverpool (hence last season we didn't have less possession in a PL match until City at home), when it works it's really good (first half yesterday) but at the moment Lampard's a bit raw with his decision making re selections and subs which can halt our momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Tomo said: Trying to be direct possession based side something inbetween City and Liverpool (hence last season we didn't have less possession in a PL match until City at home), when it works it's really good (first half yesterday) but at the moment Lampard's a bit raw with his decision making re selections and subs which can halt our momentum. If only our problems were down to dodgy selections and subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puliiszola 519 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Tomo said: Maybe we were dominated by BHA but how many games last season did that happen in reverse? Apparently only the result mattered then. The fact that Palace created all those chances at OT with 20% possession proves my point, why would they refuse to (counter) attack a side when they had so much success vs a side with a better defensive record that also finished above us a mere fortnight before? Not for me, I have been a staunch supporter of FL, but tell me what is there to support now? I would rather have the 4-0 performance in the defeat to United than this shit show that we are playing this season. We don't have a system, we don't have tactical awareness. Its just going bad to worse. As for palace, of course, they won't change the way they played successfully. But that's what my point is. Any team that tries to take the initiative and take us on, wins the battle. I can see us struggling massively this season because except for Burnley, whu, Newcastle and palace, I don't know any team that would simply sit passively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 hours ago, ZaynChelsea said: LOL @ the people here laughing at Mourinho being a dinosaur and past it. He seems to have sorted out Spurs for the time being and I rate them higher atm than ourselves. Our greenhorn isn‘t past it - he never reached it. Mourinho still won the league with us being past it. Lamps only spends without any positive outcome. This hasn't aged very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaynChelsea 423 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Jason said: This hasn't aged very well. If you see the similarities between Spurs and us, I‘m sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Just now, ZaynChelsea said: If you see the similarities between Spurs and us, I‘m sorry. I don't but it still doesn't make that post any less funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaynChelsea 423 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Mana said: unfortunately we seem to struggle to beat Arteta so far We seem to struggle to beat anyone Mana 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 31 minutes ago, Mana said: The thing is...unfortunately we seem to struggle to beat Arteta so far. Hopefully this changes this season but I doubt it if we continue to concede the way we have been doing. Yes we won our first encounter, but that was Arteta's first home game in charge and even then it took a slice of luck to win it. Do I think Arteta is going to finish above us? I don't know. That's the problem. I should say no he won't, but I'm not too sure now simply because of Lampard and this team keep disappointing me with these results. On paper we should be above them, but just going on paper is never the case. If you want to bring up the "slice of luck" with The Emirates what about the fact they picked up a point at SB due to Kante slipping and a speculative shot bubbling in during a match they were otherwise camped in their own 3rd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Oh boy. Here we go again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,516 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Not sure I can even take him seriously after all these crazy team selection mistakes he repeats all over again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,516 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 ROSS IN YOUR FACE CLOWN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 If we lose to Sevilla and Man United, things might start to get really "interesting"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 A quick note re the defense. Villa were the 2nd worst defense in the league last season and now with a new keeper addition are arguably the best with the same defenders, Liverpool (previously the world's best defensive unit) have declined to a parody since Alisson has been crocked even with VVD. I think people underestimate the difference Mendy will make if he's as much as competant. No it won't suddenly make us flawless before anyone says it but he will make a huge difference. Magic Lamps and The Skipper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,399 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Think Roman and the board would be lining up replacements if that were to happen. Our spending this season is heavily reliant by finishing in the top 4 regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tomo said: A quick note re the defense. Villa were the 2nd worst defense in the league last season and now with a new keeper addition are arguably the best with the same defenders, Liverpool (previously the world's best defensive unit) have declined to a parody since Alisson has been crocked even with VVD. I think people underestimate the difference Mendy will make if he's as much as competant. No it won't suddenly make us flawless before anyone says it but he will make a huge difference. OR maybe, they are defending better. Villa have allowed only 30 shots inside the box, which is the 7th lowest so far this season, and their xG conceded is 4.07, which is the second lowest so far this season. The Skipper, 0007 and kellzfresh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Jason said: OR maybe, they are defending better. Villa have allowed only 30 shots inside the box, which is the 7th lowest so far this season, and their xG conceded is 4.07, which is the second lowest so far this season. Yeah but what's the more likely conclusion, Martinez has made a difference or Dean Smith has suddenly become a good defensive coach? Martinez isn't even making that many saves compared to Arsenal at the back end of last season but you can hear him shouting and organizing. Hopefully Mendy has a similar effect and the early sample size (1 conceded in his 2 games and i think only 3 saves needed to be made outside of that) is promising. Mendy, like Martinez, could shave of a high number of goals just by the fact the defense trust him more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tomo said: Yeah but what's the more likely conclusion, Martinez has made a difference or Dean Smith has suddenly become a good defensive coach? Martinez isn't even making that many saves compared to Arsenal at the back end of last season but you can hear him shouting and organizing. Hopefully Mendy has a similar effect and the early sample size (1 conceded in his 2 games and i think only 3 saves needed to be made outside of that) is promising. Mendy, like Martinez, could shave of a high number of goals just by the fact the defense trust him more. Who knows? Managers and their coaches can always work on things and look to improve their side in the off season etc. New signings can make a difference but they aren't always the solution to problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Very Mourinho-esque excuse this - "it's not my fault, it's the players'"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,399 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Guess it was the players fault Lampard didnt address the midfield issue until the 82nd minute. Something that essentially had us lose control that entire second half. 0007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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