🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Frank Lampard

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Finding the right balance in defense and offense means that we have to be better in the transitioning phases of the game. When we transition from defense to offense and maybe Jorgi and Kante are not the right people to give us the balance we need in midfield. Maybe there is a reason why Lampard wanted Rice bad during summer.
I may not be a fan of Rice, but he gives us at least something that Kante does not give at the moment. Still, I would not pay more than 50 million Euros for Rice.

Sadly, we do not have the midfield players that could give us the righr balance in midfield. Every potential midfield combination has significant weaknesses. If we had for instance Rice/Zakaria and Aouar, I think that midfield would be more or less pretty complete. Can defend, has the right amount of creativity and does not lose the ball often.

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No point talking about transfers now. Lampard has to somehow make it work until at least January...

[Fernando 6,585]

5 hours ago, Mana said:

So we were defensively good last night, well done. But offensively we were shite. We spent £200 million, most of that went towards the forwards this summer.

Sub-average performance overall, not good enough. Yes we played against the Europa League champions, but we wasted the entire first half with the strangest tactics/formation that I've ever seen in a long time. It was boring from Chelsea as well, it felt like we were parking the bus and playing counter-attacking football. If that was awesome to you, give the job back to Mourinho.

Only ONE game so far this season I can go and say "That's proper Chels" and that was the Palace game. Which I'm beginning to think that maybe CP had a complete off-day considering they took the most points out of the top 6 in recent years. And no, I'm not counting Barnsley in the tally.

Let me remind you we are on season number two. So "give him time" is out of the window now. We are still soul-searching for a working system after all these games.

I think at this moment it wasn't about offense. We know what we can do, even in the Saint game. For the next few games I rather get results like this to build up the confidence of the defense before unleashing again up front. 

So good job Lampard for me in this game. 

[killer1257 3,282]

No point talking about transfers now. Lampard has to somehow make it work until at least January...

I was just saying that we do not have the right midfield players to find the right balance. Kante runs like an idiot forward and loses the ball way too much and nowadays, he loses more and more tackles. Jorginho does not make enough world class passes regularly. Defensive wise, he has his flaws too. I really can't see a midfield combination that would give us the right balance. Maybe Kovacic and Kante, but Kovacic does not play well in a double pivot til now.

Jorginho and Kante together are a pain to watch. If I was Lampard, I would buy a DM in January. I do not think Rice will be available though. Zakaria probably also not going to be available. Maybe there is someone else. France always has some good DMs in ligue 1.

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[Fernando 6,585]

Definitely agree there, we just saw how much of an improvement going from Kepa and Andreas to Mendy and Silva. 

I'm sure the same thing happen when we go from Kante and Jorgi to new signings. 

Midfield is what is killing us, so let's hope we continue to spend next transfer window so we can finish building this team. 

[Azul 1,615]

Our whole squad is fit on Saturday. He has 0 excuses this time. If he fails to beat United or even loses against them then that says a lot about how our season will go.

I already said weeks ago that I don't believe that he is the right man for the job. That said, I still believe that he'll get us top four. That's why I have no problem of sticking with him for the rest of the season, and then replacing him next year. However, if he can't beat teams like United, with the whole squad being fit, then he might be sacked sooner than we thought. 

I repeat, Saturday will tell us a lot about our chances of getting top four this year. What do I think is going to happen? I think that we will beat Man UTD, but if that does not happen then Lampard is worse then I expected.

[killer1257 3,282]

Our whole squad is fit on Saturday. He has 0 excuses this time. If he fails to beat United or even loses against them then that says a lot about how our season will go.
I already said weeks ago that I don't believe that he is the right man for the job. That said, I still believe that he'll get us top four. That's why I have no problem of sticking with him for the rest of the season, and then replacing him next year. However, if he can't beat teams like United, with the whole squad being fit, then he might be sacked sooner than we thought. 
I repeat, Saturday will tell us a lot about our chances of getting top four this year. What do I think is going to happen? I think that we will beat Man UTD, but if that does not happen then Lampard is worse then I expected.

United just beat PSG. Without Pogba and Maguire , they are a decent side and as far as I have heard, both will probably not play against us.


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[Azul 1,615]

2 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

United just beat PSG. Without Pogba and Maguire , they are a decent side and as far as I have heard, both will probably not play against us.


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PSG was complete dogshit that game. I think their win overshadows the weaknesses they still have under Ole. 

If you compare our squads as well, you can tell that we have much more quality.

P.S. aren't you the same person that said that Jorginho was going to be good for the Sevilla game? He almost got a red card. 

[Fernando 6,585]

Jorgi is not good as 2 men midfield. 

I prefer Kova, even though it's not the greatest to have in Kova and Kante. But it should in theory give us more stability as defensive.

But offensive, Kova and Kante does not help us. 

So yeah our mid is not helping us at this moment. 

[Henrique 9,133]

I appreciate people trying to see positive things after a 0-0 against Sevilla, a game where the team for most part of the game had 40% of ball possession and where the GK was the best player. I bet those people believe in that theory: first you build a strong defense, then after that you can think about fixing the attacking approach. 

Reading Reddit its baffling the lack of ambition from some folks there: "0-0 is a fine result. Sevilla is a top team, they ended Bayern's 22 game win streak and until the weekend (when they had a man sent off in the first half) they hadn't lost since February, and they've played a number of good teams since then."

Sevilla ended last season in 4th in La Liga, and just look at their squad and the players they bought this season, but folks are happy with this kind of mediocre results, because you know, a club legend is the coach at moment. 

[Strike 7,489]

5 hours ago, Henrique said:

I appreciate people trying to see positive things after a 0-0 against Sevilla, a game where the team for most part of the game had 40% of ball possession and where the GK was the best player. I bet those people believe in that theory: first you build a strong defense, then after that you can think about fixing the attacking approach. 

Reading Reddit its baffling the lack of ambition from some folks there: "0-0 is a fine result. Sevilla is a top team, they ended Bayern's 22 game win streak and until the weekend (when they had a man sent off in the first half) they hadn't lost since February, and they've played a number of good teams since then."

Sevilla ended last season in 4th in La Liga, and just look at their squad and the players they bought this season, but folks are happy with this kind of mediocre results, because you know, a club legend is the coach at moment. 

Yep. Any other manager and the fans would be all over the team's issues which are mostly down to coaching, training.

[nofacej 132]

5 hours ago, Henrique said:

I appreciate people trying to see positive things after a 0-0 against Sevilla, a game where the team for most part of the game had 40% of ball possession and where the GK was the best player. I bet those people believe in that theory: first you build a strong defense, then after that you can think about fixing the attacking approach. 

Reading Reddit its baffling the lack of ambition from some folks there: "0-0 is a fine result. Sevilla is a top team, they ended Bayern's 22 game win streak and until the weekend (when they had a man sent off in the first half) they hadn't lost since February, and they've played a number of good teams since then."

Sevilla ended last season in 4th in La Liga, and just look at their squad and the players they bought this season, but folks are happy with this kind of mediocre results, because you know, a club legend is the coach at moment. 

Sevilla ended last season in 4th and we barely scraped 4th in the Premier League.

If you ignore the bullshit marketing hype that the Premier League is the best league in the world, it's not a bad result.

It's not a great result either - as Chelsea should be aspiring to be much better than 4th - but considering where we are in the rebuilding process, it's not cause for alarm just yet.

And for the record, I'm not convinced by Lampard either but I'm willing to give him a fair chance.

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

next summer we need to buy two of the following

Dayot Upamecano <<<< MUST Buy

+ José Giménez

or if not Giménez (manly due to his cost),

Matthias Ginter or Evan N'Dicka (left footed) or Edmond Tapsoba

 Like this

Can you please get this message across to Lampard, at least get Upmecano.

[Jase 43,479]

9 hours ago, Henrique said:

Reading Reddit its baffling the lack of ambition from some folks there: "0-0 is a fine result. Sevilla is a top team, they ended Bayern's 22 game win streak and until the weekend (when they had a man sent off in the first half) they hadn't lost since February, and they've played a number of good teams since then."

Sevilla ended Bayern's 22-game win streak?

They didn't. They drew with them after 90 minutes but still ended up losing within 120 minutes in the Super Cup anyway.

[lucio 5,418]

6 minutes ago, Jason said:

Sevilla ended Bayern's 22-game win streak?

They didn't. They drew with them after 90 minutes but still ended up losing within 120 minutes in the Super Cup anyway.

There’s something about extra time and penalty matches officially being listed as a draw but yeh they lost 

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, lucio said:

There’s something about extra time and penalty matches officially being listed as a draw but yeh they lost 

Pretty sure they would still be counted as wins. They just might have an asterisk beside it to indicate it's won in extra time or on penalties.

[Strike 7,489]

54 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Feel that the league will settle by November-December with same top 2 and a biggish chasing pack

[0007 511]

16 hours ago, Henrique said:

I appreciate people trying to see positive things after a 0-0 against Sevilla, a game where the team for most part of the game had 40% of ball possession and where the GK was the best player. I bet those people believe in that theory: first you build a strong defense, then after that you can think about fixing the attacking approach. 

Reading Reddit its baffling the lack of ambition from some folks there: "0-0 is a fine result. Sevilla is a top team, they ended Bayern's 22 game win streak and until the weekend (when they had a man sent off in the first half) they hadn't lost since February, and they've played a number of good teams since then."

Sevilla ended last season in 4th in La Liga, and just look at their squad and the players they bought this season, but folks are happy with this kind of mediocre results, because you know, a club legend is the coach at moment. 

Absolutely spot on. Sevilla are a good team but we were the home side. And Sevilla is not  one of the top teams in Europe - this narrative is just another excuse.Not to mention the players we brought in in comparison to what transfers they made.

Also, you can't compare being 4th in Spain with being 4th in England. Our revenue is much bigger and our buyings say much about it. Winning EL is not a criteria either - we won it last year but we were inconsistent and definitely not top CL material. 

I love Frank  so much but his CV as a manager doesn't have anything to have us hope for an improvement and he is here as a manager,not as the legend he is as a player. 

[killer1257 3,282]

Absolutely spot on. Sevilla are a good team but we were the home side. And Sevilla is not  one of the top teams in Europe - this narrative is just another excuse.Not to mention the players we brought in in comparison to what transfers they made.
Also, you can't compare being 4th in Spain with being 4th in England. Our revenue is much bigger and our buyings say much about it. Winning EL is not a criteria either - we won it last year but we were inconsistent and definitely not top CL material. 
I love Frank  so much but his CV as a manager doesn't have anything to have us hope for an improvement and he is here as a manager,not as the legend he is as a player. 

Sevilla beat Wolves, United (3rd im England) and Inter Mailand. Sevilla also is a pressing machine. They are much better than TC give them credit for. I remember last year when we drew Valencia 2-2 and TC people went nuts, because they said Valencia are a garbage team and I thought to myself "WTF, Valencia lost 5 times in 5 years at home or something like that. They are one of the most dominant home teams in the world lol".

Since Corona, the home advantage is not that important no more. Every match feels the same.

And buying new players is good, but these players have to find rhythm and need time to adapt with the new team. Takes time.

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[Tomo 21,751]

8 hours ago, lucio said:

There’s something about extra time and penalty matches officially being listed as a draw but yeh they lost 

Not with extra time but when it goes to penalty's the match is (rightly) classed as a draw. The shoot-out is a tie breaker.