Non-Chelsea Transfer Pub

[bushman 2,043]

I wouldn't sell Ba. He's clearly not a world class striker but a really good backup. I like him.

He has played 34 matches in blue and scored 9 goals. It's not bad at all.

His 9 goals are pathetic, Chelsea deserves better. Out he goes in January for 12m, money allocated for much better player.

[Pizy 18,993]

You got it wrong i think. I completely agree we do need a world class midfielder or a potentially world class midfielder like you said, but you cant get those players in January. You can get Gundogan (world class) or Witsel (potentially world class) only in the summer (Lars Bender is not in this level imo). So you're saying: "if we cant get them now, lets not buy anyone"? i think thats wrong, we need a player, even if its a player who next season will only be a squad player, we need this Guarin/Cabaye/whatever to be better in the current season... to fight fot the PL and to be able to compete better in the CL.

We should know by now that buying for the sake of buying is dumb. We were so dependent on Mata so we bought and bought and bought in attacking midfield and we ended up loaning Moses, KdB can't get a game, and one of Willian or Schürrle is on the bench quite often. Depth is one thing but having too many players for one position is possible.

Think it would be a mistake to buy a midfielder in January who would just be serviceable for the remainder of the season but isn't the solution long term. We have to stop fucking around with these mid-tier signings and bring our side up a level by buying a world class player or two.

When Barca, Real Madrid, or Bayern want a player they go and get them and don't mess about. If we want to be as good as they are that's what we need to do.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

We should know by now that buying for the sake of buying is dumb. We were so dependent on Mata so we bought and bought and bought in attacking midfield and we ended up loaning Moses, KdB can't get a game, and one of Willian or Schürrle is on the bench quite often. Depth is one thing but having too many players for one position is possible.

Think it would be a mistake to buy a midfielder in January who would just be serviceable for the remainder of the season but isn't the solution long term. We have to stop fucking around with these mid-tier signings and bring our side up a level by buying a world class player or two.

When Barca, Real Madrid, or Bayern want a player they go and get them and don't mess about. If we want to be as good as they are that's what we need to do.

Its not "buying for the sake of buying", its buying becuase you need someone that much and our situation in this area is so awful that we can lose the league because of that, and look pathtic against the top teams in Europe in the CL. We can buy a CM now, and buy another one in the summer, a world class one. Right now you cant get Gundogan its not that hard to understand. Jose got himself into this situation, if we can fix it for the remainder of the season why not.

[mediator 2,026]

Should we improve quality or quantity?

Easy one for me... sign a great one right now and not another potential for the squad depth "in case of". Aké, Essien are still here for that concern

[Pizy 18,993]

Its not "buying for the sake of buying", its buying becuase you need someone that much and our situation in this area is so awful that we can lose the league because of that, and look pathtic against the top teams in Europe in the CL. We can buy a CM now, and buy another one in the summer, a world class one. Right now you cant get Gundogan its not that hard to understand. Jose got himself into this situation, if we can fix it for the remainder of the season why not.

It would be just like buying Ba. We bought him just to have another option in our lacking striker department and he's now playing once a month as a sub as soon as we brought another forward in.

One of the names you mentioned could actually improve us long term and that's Cabaye. Actually a realistic and likely inexpensive player too.

[didierforever 7,349]

ba for 12-13mil, add one of essien/mikel to that too and buy sven bender with that money... please...

[Alan Partridge 1,124]

For the sake of his career and our club, I would suggest this.

Cash in on Mata and buy Witsel.

Witsel won't be cheap but we should be able to get a good amount for Mata.

Mata does not fit in this team anymore. When he's not sitting on the bench, he looks lost on the pitch

[xPetrCechx 13,578]

CB + Luke.S + CM + ST.

Sell Torres + Mikel + Luiz.

At the end of the season, Get rid of Essien,Etoo,Cahill.

[didierforever 7,349]

CB + Luke.S + CM + ST.

Sell Torres + Mikel + Luiz.

At the end of the season, Get rid of Essien,Etoo,Cahill.

why would u want to keep essien but sell mikel?

buying shaw while we have 2 fine LBs?

luiz is fine in my opinion, only problem is our DM who simply provide good enough cover.

as for ST, i am still on the fence. even if we do sell ba/torres, who do we buy? is there a good enough ST left in the market.

hence for me

out - essien, BA

in - sven bender/witsel.

[Waterfall 893]

Why the hell would you sell Cahill? Perfectly serviceable and homegrown.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

I posted that in the player's topic, but anyway..

In the past few days, there have been new contacts between Jorge Mendes and #FCPorto over the proposed transfer of Jackson Martinez to #CFC

The arrival of Jackson Martinez at Chelsea could free Demba Ba who has been offered to Inter Milan. (via @AlfredoPedulla)

Guarin+Martinez would be a fantastic January imo.

[lucio 5,418]

I posted that in the player's topic, but anyway..

In the past few days, there have been new contacts between Jorge Mendes and #FCPorto over the proposed transfer of Jackson Martinez to #CFC

The arrival of Jackson Martinez at Chelsea could free Demba Ba who has been offered to Inter Milan. (via @AlfredoPedulla)

Guarin+Martinez would be a fantastic January imo.

it would help a lot

with porto out of the CL i can see martinez leaving 100%

[Pizy 18,993]

I posted that in the player's topic, but anyway..

In the past few days, there have been new contacts between Jorge Mendes and #FCPorto over the proposed transfer of Jackson Martinez to #CFC

The arrival of Jackson Martinez at Chelsea could free Demba Ba who has been offered to Inter Milan. (via @AlfredoPedulla)

Guarin+Martinez would be a fantastic January imo.

That would be a terrible window. Neither of those players are worth the money. I honestly think Jackson Martinez would flop here. Guarin isn't good or consistent enough for a title contending Premier League side.

I'd rather just keep Ba than spending tens of millions on Martinez. If we go after a striker, which I highly doubt we will this window, it's gonna be someone Jose knows is world class. We've been burned too many times before.

[quickpassnmove 924]

I'm certain of it. It's our weak link. Our midfield is slow, cumbersome and ineffective. Look at the other top sides in Europe and compare theirs to ours, it's beyond a joke.

We have been linked with all sorts CM/DMs since October, it definitely gonna happen, Mourinho is not gonna pull the plug on it this time.

The bright side of this season's sum result could be that Chelsea do NOT make the CL, stuff starts to implode and changes are made for the better (I think I've been saying this for 3 years?). IDK what it will take, but after 10 years of Abramovich ownership, it's clear that Chelsea have glaring problems with transfer decision-making and squad building for the future.

The top clubs in Europe (Bayern, Real, Barca, Juve for example) place an emphasis on quality and depth in center midfield (and, hopefully every position) , while clubs like Man City, PSG, and Chelsea should be building depth and prospects in center midfield with all the money they've invested. I haven't seen Chelsea doing this since I began watching Chelsea in 2005-2006-2007. Real Madrid could also be criticized for not building up their center midfield options enough too. January 2011 and probably the rest of 2011 set Chelsea back in a variety of ways. Still have not recovered. Matic could help, BUT the 2014-2015 season is going to require more than healthy Matic, healthy Ramires, and healthy vanGinkel.

Meanwhile, Arsenal have built up some options in center midfield and ManUtd have failed in recent years. some contrast.

[quickpassnmove 924]

I like the thought that Chelsea are now working out a deal to get Matic back and another to sell Luiz in January. Matic might be the best choice of all the CMs to buy (aside from Pogba or 4th-best player in the world, Mr. Arturo Vidal).

But, Chelsea might as well be buying an under-rated, under-valued 2nd center midfielder in January too. Next summer, after the WC, prices will inflate for the best players and Chelsea will NOT be able to fill all the holes in their squad that require better quality and depth.

Why?

Consider the following:

From today, December 15th 2013, Chelsea should be planning for the future under the assumption that their only starting center midfielders are: Ramires and van Ginkel (Oscar as a possible 3rd in a 4-3-3, or backup). Assuming that Chelsea will play more of 4-3-3 next season, Chelsea should be looking for depth in center of a further 4 players, or 3 MORE experienced starters and one backup. Don't tell us here that Lampard qualifies as a backup for next season or that Essien qualifies for this future midfield either. Mikel should have been gone last summer (wish we would have got Paulinho myself).

Here's the goal in my opinion: get a player like Matic in January and a cheaper player (on the level of M. Diame, just for example, who can play like the old Essien but with more skill and speed). Then, Chelsea would have: Matic+Ramires as the two top players, Diame as an experienced option, and vanGinkel as a developing Premier League player. Next summer, buy another top center midfielder and decide whether anyone like Oscar or another young player can play as a sixth option in center midfield. From what I've seen, Chelsea need to buy two in January, two in summer and this "TOP player" in the summer, following the World Cup is going to pricey, I imagine.

I like Kurt Zouma as a defender but where does that leave Kenneth Omeruo? Zouma probably will become a better defender than anyone currently at Chelsea aside from JT. Maybe Gary Cahill is the one who will leave(?).

[Korea 734]

people keep saying witsel, I bet half of them never seen him play (excluding the Belgian contingent).

Should of taken Ki on loan this season... Would of been an adequate squad player or more... Even though Sunderland sucks, he's been their most consistent player since the arrival of Poyet. Covers the backline well and can attack forward.

To me hes an upgraded version of Mikel or what Chelsea envisioned Mikel to be.

Than their the french contingent of MVilla, Cabaye and Matudi (Pogba unrealistic still).

Also, you guys think Mourinho would want Shaw?? Shaw seems pretty weak (granted hes very young).

[sdrcfc 461]

people keep saying witsel, I bet half of them never seen him play (excluding the Belgian contingent).

Should of taken Ki on loan this season... Would of been an adequate squad player or more... Even though Sunderland sucks, he's been their most consistent player since the arrival of Poyet. Covers the backline well and can attack forward.

To me hes an upgraded version of Mikel or what Chelsea envisioned Mikel to be.

Than their the french contingent of MVilla, Cabaye and Matudi (Pogba unrealistic still).

Also, you guys think Mourinho would want Shaw?? Shaw seems pretty weak (granted hes very young).

Shaw, weak? How many 17/18 year olds do you see built like him?

[Korea 734]

Shaw, weak? How many 17/18 year olds do you see built like him?

Maybe not in Europe...

But, in the states...

Also, Shaw not really know for power and strength... With Mourinho selecting Ivan all the time and having Dave play pretty conservatively, Im not sure Mourinho would break the bank to get a player like Shaw.

But than again he did get Fabio Coentraeo at Madrid......

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

people keep saying witsel, I bet half of them never seen him play (excluding the Belgian contingent).

Should of taken Ki on loan this season... Would of been an adequate squad player or more... Even though Sunderland sucks, he's been their most consistent player since the arrival of Poyet. Covers the backline well and can attack forward.

To me hes an upgraded version of Mikel or what Chelsea envisioned Mikel to be.

Than their the french contingent of MVilla, Cabaye and Matudi (Pogba unrealistic still).

Also, you guys think Mourinho would want Shaw?? Shaw seems pretty weak (granted hes very young).

What's wrong with Witsel?

[nyikolajevics 2,709]

people keep saying witsel, I bet half of them never seen him play (excluding the Belgian contingent).

Should of taken Ki on loan this season... Would of been an adequate squad player or more... Even though Sunderland sucks, he's been their most consistent player since the arrival of Poyet. Covers the backline well and can attack forward.

To me hes an upgraded version of Mikel or what Chelsea envisioned Mikel to be.

Than their the french contingent of MVilla, Cabaye and Matudi (Pogba unrealistic still).

Also, you guys think Mourinho would want Shaw?? Shaw seems pretty weak (granted hes very young).

You bet that half of us have never seen Witsel play(I don't know how do you know it) but what's wrong with him? Why is M'Vila, Cabaye or Matuidi better than him?

Ki is okay he would be a flop here. Even Essien is way better than him.