Non-Chelsea Transfer Pub

[LondonsFinest 692]

4 of the wingers, that are there, are perfect. I think we won't be signing anyone, tho.

[Viper22 2,418]

Would anyone be unhappy with:

OUT: Salah (Loan/Transfer), Mikel (Transfer), Cech (Transfer ).

IN: Young HG Keeper for 2nd Choice, any one of Khedira, Pogba, Varane, Hummels, Sterling or Reus (depending on prices and availability).

Could promote Ake and Boga to the first team squad too to replace Mikel and Salah unless we get one of the aforementioned players.

[Beepu 1,714]

Would anyone be unhappy with:

OUT: Salah (Loan/Transfer), Mikel (Transfer), Cech (Transfer ).

IN: Young HG Keeper for 2nd Choice, any one of Khedira, Pogba, Varane, Hummels, Sterling or Reus (depending on prices and availability).

Could promote Ake and Boga to the first team squad too to replace Mikel and Salah unless we get one of the aforementioned players.

I so wanted Varane to come in the summer but he signed a new contract so not sure the probability of that transfer to be honest, same can be said about Pogba

But if we could get one of varane, pogba or reus in january, I'd be happy. Cech leaving would dampen the feeling though.

[iseah100 5,612]

We won't get anyone, Cech may leave. Who do we need that is available?

[didierforever 7,349]

We won't get anyone, Cech may leave. Who do we need that is available?

we might not "get" anyone but we can tie khedira to ourselves if he does not sign a new contract cos then only 6 months will be remaining.

[chelseafc9010 224]

Khedira, MVG back from loan, Kalas

[iseah100 5,612]

Khedira, MVG back from loan, Kalas

MVG and Kalas.

[lucio 5,418]

Khedira, MVG back from loan, Kalas

why bring back mvg, if khedira would just take away whatever minutes he would get.

[lionsden 4,689]

callejon? pedro? cuadrado? even draxler? dont think any of them is better than willian. reus is the only one who makes sense specially considering how "cheap" he might come

Draxler and cuadrado are comfortably better than Willian.

[DYC. 7,542]

Khedira? Chelsea have a squad filled with technically limited players. If you're going to buy someone, get a technically gifted player.

[didierforever 7,349]

Draxler and cuadrado are comfortably better than Willian.

really? in what way? a 5 match world cup makes cuadrado "comfotably" better? have never seen him set the pitch on fire for fiorentina. as for draxler, he is a left winger who would be needed to be shifted to the RW and whose defensive frailities would simply increase the workload on oscar. willian on the other hand, gives far more stability to our system. also draxler would cost 40mil, hardly a price we should be paying for a makeshift RW and a player who is pretty far from WC.

[Viper22 2,418]

Draxler and cuadrado are comfortably better than Willian.

No, they're really not. Draxler definitely has the potential to be comfortably better than Willian but he's not ATM. And I really like Cuadrado, have liked him for ages being a follower of Serie A aswell as the BPL. But he is not comfortably better than Willian. He's about the same level, better going forwards but Willian is far better around the park, so it levels out.

This is probably just grass is greener syndrome. Everyone has forgotten how effective he was for Shakthar going forwards, his constant hard work around the park for Chelsea (tracking back and the such like) has stifled this slightly but he does need to step it up even so, Oscar has managed great work at both ends of the pitch recently after all.

[Viper22 2,418]

Khedira? Chelsea have a squad filled with technically limited players. If you're going to buy someone, get a technically gifted player.

Really? Fabregas, Oscar, Hazard and even Matic would beg to differ. Khedira would be signed as a 3rd CM member to play alongside Matic & Fab, as a kind of upgrade from Ramires (which he is). His hard work around the park would allow the players further forward (Hazard and our RW - Oscar/Willian/Another) a lot more freedom than they currently have.

[DYC. 7,542]

Really? Fabregas, Oscar, Hazard and even Matic would beg to differ. Khedira would be signed as a 3rd CM member to play alongside Matic & Fab, as a kind of upgrade from Ramires (which he is). His hard work around the park would allow the players further forward (Hazard and our RW - Oscar/Willian/Another) a lot more freedom than they currently have.

Oscar is not a technically gifted player and Matic has 'good technique for a DM' but in general, he's technically solid though far from spectacular. That leaves you with two player with a great level of technique. To make that next step, I assume Chelsea still has the ambition to the best team in world football, you'll need a lot more technical ability in your squad. Real, Bayern and (prime) Barca prove that fact.

Take out Fabregas and Chelsea's centre midfield becomes all about power and work-rate. That's not good.

I don't agree with Khedira being a upgrade on Ramires btw. They're on a similar level, both have their qualities and weaknesses. I'd rather have Ramires for his athleticism, speed, versatality and his transition play, which is crucial for Chelsea's system.

Khedira's injury really was a blessing in disguise for Real. It made way for more gifted players, and they're better than ever (talking about recent times, of course).

[lionsden 4,689]

really? in what way? a 5 match world cup makes cuadrado "comfotably" better? have never seen him set the pitch on fire for fiorentina. as for draxler, he is a left winger who would be needed to be shifted to the RW and whose defensive frailities would simply increase the workload on oscar. willian on the other hand, gives far more stability to our system. also draxler would cost 40mil, hardly a price we should be paying for a makeshift RW and a player who is pretty far from WC.

Cuadrado was the third best player in serie A last season after Benatia and Immobile (based on form and consistency rather than reputation) and Draxler is far more productive player than Willian can ever hope to be.

Also I thought we were discussing who the better players were (since you claim those 2 aren't better than Willian) and not who's more suitable to our system?

[didierforever 7,349]

Cuadrado was the third best player in serie A last season after Benatia and Immobile (based on form and consistency rather than reputation) and Draxler is far more productive player than Willian can ever hope to be.

Also I thought we were discussing who the better players were (since you claim those 2 aren't better than Willian) and not who's more suitable to our system?

when we are talking abput players in a thread called "january transfer window", i would assume, people are basing their arguments on the context of CFC itself. well atleast i did.

draxler IS more of a goal threat and better going forward but in no way is he anywhere near willian's workrate and all round play, something which is pretty important to us. i have seen fiorentina in big matches and in europa (last season). dint see anyone making a fuss about him then and justifiably. only cos of a good world cup, is he now "a must get" player. also, i dont think cuadrado made the team of the year for serie A. did he? hardly a player for whom we should be paying 30mil. totally agree with "viper". proper case of a grass is always greener on the other side syndrome.

[Viper22 2,418]

Oscar is not a technically gifted player and Matic has 'good technique for a DM' but in general, he's technically solid though far from spectacular. That leaves you with two player with a great level of technique. To make that next step, I assume Chelsea still has the ambition to the best team in world football, you'll need a lot more technical ability in your squad. Real, Bayern and (prime) Barca prove that fact.

Take out Fabregas and Chelsea's centre midfield becomes all about power and work-rate. That's not good.

I don't agree with Khedira being a upgrade on Ramires btw. They're on a similar level, both have their qualities and weaknesses. I'd rather have Ramires for his athleticism, speed, versatality and his transition play, which is crucial for Chelsea's system.

Khedira's injury really was a blessing in disguise for Real. It made way for more gifted players, and they're better than ever (talking about recent times, of course).

You said technically limited. While Oscar and Matic aren't Modric/Fabregas/Pirlo level they are not technically limited. You might be right about us needing a bit more but I personally think that would come in the form on Reus or Pogba, neither over gifted players but power runners and goal scorers.

Agree that without Fabregas we lack that creative spark, but that's why we have him. Ramires is the most technically limited player in our team, so I don't see how you don't want Khedira but want Ramires?

As for whether Khedira is better than Ramires, that's down to opinion, so while I disagree entirely there's not much I can say to change your mind I imagine.

[DYC. 7,542]

You said technically limited. While Oscar and Matic aren't Modric/Fabregas/Pirlo level they are not technically limited. You might be right about us needing a bit more but I personally think that would come in the form on Reus or Pogba, neither over gifted players but power runners and goal scorers.

Agree that without Fabregas we lack that creative spark, but that's why we have him. Ramires is the most technically limited player in our team, so I don't see how you don't want Khedira but want Ramires?

As for whether Khedira is better than Ramires, that's down to opinion, so while I disagree entirely there's not much I can say to change your mind I imagine.

You really don't think Oscar is technically limited? He's decent in a lot areas technically but doesn't stand out in anything. Decent touch, decent shooter, decent dribbler, decent passer (I have to say, he's surprisingly a expert 1-touch passer though), decent finisher... he can be frustratingly sloppy. I'd call that technically limited. He really needs to make strides technically.

When I say technically limited, I'm not saying you can hardly control a ball.

That's the thing. Fabregas can't play every game and he will get injured from time to time. I personally don't like the fact that area of the squad is so lacking technically, as a elite side.

I already mentioned why I chose Ramires over Khedira. And me not mentioning anything about his technique was definitely on purpose. But Ramires is already here. If you're going to get a upgrade on Ramires, get a real upgrade. Khedira has a lot of energy and is decent on the ball, but is another player who is at his best without the ball.

[Viper22 2,418]

You really don't think Oscar is technically limited? He's decent in a lot areas technically but doesn't stand out in anything. Decent touch, decent shooter, decent dribbler, decent passer (I have to say, he's surprisingly a expert 1-touch passer though), decent finisher... he can be frustratingly sloppy. I'd call that technically limited. He really needs to make strides technically.

When I say technically limited, I'm not saying you can hardly control a ball.

That's the thing. Fabregas can't play every game and he will get injured from time to time. I personally don't like the fact that area of the squad is so lacking technically, as a elite side.

I already mentioned why I chose Ramires over Khedira. And me not mentioning anything about his technique was definitely on purpose. But Ramires is already here. If you're going to get a upgrade on Ramires, get a real upgrade. Khedira has a lot of energy and is decent on the ball, but is another player who is at his best without the ball.

No, i don't think Oscar is technically limited, and to suggest so is laughable. He's got a fantastic work rate. If you think being very good in most areas is technically limited then i'm not sure I know what to say.... God knows what you think Mikel or fucking Carlton Cole are then.

So who do we sign as a replacement for Fab? Cos I think Oscar is more than adept at dropping into that role if we had a 3 man midfield. We wouldn't get a better player than Oscar without shelling out tons, and then who's to say that person would want to sit on the bench.

[lionsden 4,689]

No, i don't think Oscar is technically limited, and to suggest so is laughable. He's got a fantastic work rate. If you think being very good in most areas is technically limited then i'm not sure I know what to say.... God knows what you think Mikel or fucking Carlton Cole are then.

So who do we sign as a replacement for Fab? Cos I think Oscar is more than adept at dropping into that role if we had a 3 man midfield. We wouldn't get a better player than Oscar without shelling out tons, and then who's to say that person would want to sit on the bench.

There's nothing laughable about it because it's the truth. Technique reflects all aspects of football : passing, touch/close control dribbling, shooting and oscar is painfully limited in all of these aspects bar shooting which isn't great but better than average.

It's no coincidence that the non technical aspect (workrate) is what people use to rate him as a good player and justify his inclusion in the first team/starting 11. You hear words like, He gives us balance, he helps us keep the shape etc. reminds you of anyone? Ramires.

Mats Hummels is a superb illustration that if you are technically good, people will highlight that aspect of your game more often regardless of the position and role you play in the team.

I have been watching football for a long long time (since the 80's to be precise) and have seen enough of Oscar to know he's technically limited player.