eldo 868 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 But other than that he's a really good manager Surely you would know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Two different managers but same players and same performances. That tells me that neither Carlo nor AVB is at fault. It's time the core of Chelsea gets the boot.After Carlo's first year, I thought the club was heading in the right direction with the releases of Ballack, Deco, Belletti & Cole (< to a lesser extent). However we soon realised that was a farce. He also faced the "José problem" when the board signed Torres (like when José had Shevchenko forced upon him). I hope this time, we have no such communication-break downs. The right players must be brought for André. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,546 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 After Carlo's first year, I thought the club was heading in the right direction with the releases of Ballack, Deco, Belletti & Cole (< to a lesser extent). However we soon realised that was a farce.He also faced the "José problem" when the board signed Torres (like when José had Shevchenko forced upon him). I hope this time, we have no such communication-break downs.The right players must be brought for André.Exactly!! He must have full control over who he gets..not name on player and get another forced on cause they'll make more dosh shirt wise or have a big name or whatever.Needs to be down to him...God signing Sheva really where it all went a bit wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 The only continuity is ageing players and a board which continually fucks things up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnie_666 1,081 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 The players have no drive at all Warnie, they have all been there done that before.The players know that they won't get the boot. There is a sense of complacency as they know that like in the past 5 years it's the manager that will get the boot and not them. I say it's time these lazy ass old legs on fat pay checks are fired and we bring in players who are eager to prove their talent. Like Sturridge has this season...Mikel, Malouda, Anelka, Terry, Drogba, Kalou should go. Just go for the sake of the club and fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnie_666 1,081 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I wonder what would Henrique say if the Jesus Christ of football Hiddink was the third. Axe, sack?No matter who comes this squad is past it's sell by date. Changing manager isn't the solution anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Exactly!! He must have full control over who he gets..not name on player and get another forced on cause they'll make more dosh shirt wise or have a big name or whatever.Needs to be down to him...God signing Sheva really where it all went a bit wrongLol do you remember the whole Pienaar fiasco? They asked Carlo about it and he literally said "I have no idea" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnie_666 1,081 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 After Carlo's first year, I thought the club was heading in the right direction with the releases of Ballack, Deco, Belletti & Cole (< to a lesser extent). However we soon realised that was a farce. He also faced the "José problem" when the board signed Torres (like when José had Shevchenko forced upon him). I hope this time, we have no such communication-break downs. The right players must be brought for André.The way Carlo was treated by the board made me sick. His request to give Ballack an extended contract was declined. Imagine how invaluable he would have been in Lampards absence. He had no control over transfers, young kids with no loan experience were forced upon him like Kakuta and Josh. The squad had 16 players plus youngsters from academy and that is te thinnest squad we have had for a log time.This season the board seems to have learnt it's mistake. AvB seems to have full control over transfers. Hopefully the board has also learnt that changing managers isn't the solution.Man UTD has a third different team while we have almost the same team Since JOse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 This season the board seems to have learnt it's mistake. AvB seems to have full control over transfers. Hopefully the board has also learnt that changing managers isn't the solution.Let's hope so! They're proven their ill-nature in the past with their - what looks to be - changed ways just becoming an appeasement. I think they're too pre-occupied with the whole stadium-cpo affair, that now, they're just letting the football-guys get on with the football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 If they didn't respond to Ancelotti, aren't responding to AVB, what makes you think they're going to respond to RDM? Ancelotti has one of the best CVs of managers in the last 15 years and won the Double. AVB was the boy genius with the 13M pound backing of the owner. You think RDM as a former player with a brief stint at WBA is going to get through some of the skulls in Cobham?The managers change, the spine of the team hasn't and the same issues pop up each season. So who's the problem?Trust me, I'm not absolving AVB. I think he's not helped himself at all with some of decisions, behavior and press handlings. Absolutely disappointing for someone we all thought as very bright and articulate. But ultimately his hands are tied by an aging but still politically powerful core of players.Roy Keane, Tim Howard, RVN and Rio Ferninand made up United's spine in 2004-05. Where are they now? Rio's barely getting a game nowadays. Yet Chelsea's spine from that season just started 2 must win games in 4 days!I agree with Henrique that AVB backed away from the window ledge and reverted to the old spine in order to scrape out a couple of wins. The sad irony is that he compromised his much talked about footballing principles and got zero points for it. If Chelsea are going to get zero points, I would rather see a team made up of the younger veterans mixed in with some youngsters and because of squad limitations, sprinkling in an oldie here and there. At least while losing, AVB would be making an investment in a team that can challenge in 2012-13.Very True but remember AVB worked for these players as a scout and with thier ego's I am sure they laugh about him behind his back and remember those days.....will he ever command total repsect of the dressing room why they are still their?....what was the nickname they gave him when he joined "Bambi"....I would like to see him grow a set and drop Lampard and Drogba against Wolves.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,546 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Very True but remember AVB worked for these players as a scout and with thier ego's I am sure they laugh about him behind his back and remember those days.....will he ever command total repsect of the dressing room why they are still their?....what was the nickname they gave him when he joined "Bambi"....I would like to see him grow a set and drop Lampard and Drogba against Wolves....Then its about time they got respect! They're 30 years old they're not kids anymore...yes he was a Scout but meh gotta start somewhere that shouldnt be an issue... And if they cant show respect might as well bugger of elsewhere and be replaced by a player who hasnt got a massive ego filled head and thinks they're above the Manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Then its about time they got respect! They're 30 years old they're not kids anymore...yes he was a Scout but meh gotta start somewhere that shouldnt be an issue...When a group of blokes get together trust me childishness remains very high on the list. Plus the fact that they have known each other for such a long time..obviously they are professional but it is all about getting that extra 5-10% out of a player..thats what makes a manager..Jamie Redknapp has been hinting in the press that the senior players do not respect him because of his previous role...he is Lampards cousin, so they must discuss it....no smoke without fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldo 868 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 "Drogba had only played 376 mins (of a poss 1790)." So much talk about prefering older players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krypt 241 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 When a group of blokes get together trust me childishness remains very high on the list. Plus the fact that they have known each other for such a long time..obviously they are professional but it is all about getting that extra 5-10% out of a player..thats what makes a manager..Jamie Redknapp has been hinting in the press that the senior players do not respect him because of his previous role...he is Lampards cousin, so they must discuss it....no smoke without fire.Maybe ... still i cant see lamps not respecting AVB Drogba and Malouda on the other hand there is a chance maybe shipping these big ego's out will benefit the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Maybe ... still i cant see lamps not respecting AVB Drogba and Malouda on the other hand there is a chance maybe shipping these big ego's out will benefit the club.That is clearly the best thing for the club but I do not think AVB is mentally strong enough to do it...I hope I am wrong, I really hope he succeeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,582 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 McCarthy - Give AVB time Wolves boss believes Villas-Boas can do a great job at Chelseahttp://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7331369/? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnie_666 1,081 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Let's hope so! They're proven their ill-nature in the past with their - what looks to be - changed ways just becoming an appeasement.And that is exactly why I dont want Hiddink on top of AVB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluephoenix 1,131 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 No matter who comes this squad is past it's sell by date. Changing manager isn't the solution anymore absolutely. Sacking manager after manager won't help the club. perhaps we should start by sacking the board members who think they know what the club needs rather than leaving that decision to the manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 But he is either overrated because the Portuguese is crap compared to England and the UCL, or he's a great manager but will adapt eventually. That we'll find out, so give the man time, be patient and show some support.the question is, what "giving him time" means ? He is having time, and is proving to be the first option: "an overrated manager". Im not saying he must be sacked now, what I'm saying is: until now he looks like a manager that is fraud, and if his form continue that bad in next months, then he must be axed. Or what you would suggest ? Give him another full season to see if he is bad or good ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidator 5,176 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 We should be criticising the players. Every time a manager gets the boot it is because the players would rather play for Mourinho. Before I start this rant I would like to point out that AVB is by no means perfect and has made mistakes this season. BUT:Q Whose fault was it that Salomon Kalou decided to handle the ball and give away a stupid penalty in the last minute against Valencia?A Salomon KalouQ Whose fault was it that Petr Cech decided to throw the ball to Mikel when he had two players around him against Liverpool?A Petr CechQ Whose fault was it that Ramires and Torres both missed absolute sitters against Man U at Old Trafford earlier this season?A Ramires and Fernando TorresQ Whose fault was it that Drogba decided he would go in recklessly on Adel Taarabt against QPR when we were already down to 10 men?A Didier DrogbaQ Whose fault was it that Petr Cech was beaten more than once at his near post against Arsenal?A Petr Cech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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