Transition

[steve5221 91]

Those stats are irrelevant. Scolari took over a team that had come within an inch of being European champions. AVB has a bunch of misfits.

I know, Scolari inherited at much better squad at thier peak. What I'm trying to say is that AVB has a similar record already and a much more difficult job....

[warnie_666 1,081]

Why is it that when mentioned about transition, everyone talks about players. Transition could also be from one management to another. We have a new management and backroom staff. New manager, asst. Manager, coach, opposition scout in a new league. The new manager needs time to enforce his ideology on the squad. And the fact that he has got a load of old legs doesn't help much. If anyone expected him to turn on the style in first few months I'd say you are naive. He did show his tactical superioryi at QPR and Everton

[Tortilla9 390]

I don't know if it bs or not but another forum I follow said they were watching on the Al-Jazeera feed and Jamie Redknapp was talking pre-game. He said the older players, and specifically named Terry, Lampard, and Drogba, didn't buy into AVB's philosophy. I hope it's bs because AVB has a tough enough job on his hands without player power trying to take over.

[HNKS 508]

Guys remember we seem to struggle every year during this time. Also I think its time that the players who seem to influence others, e.g. Lampard, Drogba and Terry, should leave. They are past their best anyway. I thank them for everything but its time to go.

[steve5221 91]

I don't know if it bs or not but another forum I follow said they were watching on the Al-Jazeera feed and Jamie Redknapp was talking pre-game. He said the older players, and specifically named Terry, Lampard, and Drogba, didn't buy into AVB's philosophy. I hope it's bs because AVB has a tough enough job on his hands without player power trying to take over.

if you read Redknapps article on Sky sports he says that the reason we need to get rid of those players (Terry, Lampard and Drogba), is because they worked under AVB as a scout and do not respect him as a manager

http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,18932_7314237,00.html

[Krypt 241]

if you read Redknapps article on Sky sports he says that the reason we need to get rid of those players (Terry, Lampard and Drogba), is because they worked under AVB as a scout and do not respect him as a manager

http://www.skysports...7314237,00.html

Its an interesting point , they may not see him as the gaffa but as part of Jose's coaching staff.

Something will have to give if we keep under performing.

[warnie_666 1,081]

Interesting point from Jamie considering He is Franks cousin. I don't want to veleive but I am sure he gets insider info from Lamps

[dodojojo 510]

Oh the dreaded player power situation. If it keeps happening for every manager since Mourinho, maybe it's time to stop placating the players...RA really needs to give his managers a steel rod of support or some players will do as they please. Can't imagine anyone would even look sideways at Ferguson. Guardiola gets the odd rebel or two and Barca sends them away.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Some good points today.

I suppose the 'transition' claim is premature. I don't believe is the wrong man for the job though, he has time to turn this around..

[Tortilla9 390]

We all know Fergie wouldn't put up with it. He let Beckham, Ronaldo (although he got a ton of $$ for him), Keane, etc. go. It's a given that Fergie is in charge and if you don't like it don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Then there seems to be Chelsea, if you don't like it go tell Roman. I know Roman is pretty quiet and secretive so I'm having a hard time seeing this Russian gazillionaire being open to the whining, bitching, complaining of superstars. What happened to the old days of Russia where you dissented and were shipped off to Siberia. Seems that only applies to Chelsea managers not players.

[termninja 5,290]

What happened to the old days of Russia where you dissented and were shipped off to Siberia. Seems that only applies to Chelsea managers not players.

LMAO as you said that I was imagining Kalou and few others all in fur freezing their asses in Siberia with the depressive music full of sorrow in the background

[Liquidator 5,176]

What is it about our players and Mourinho? Can't they just get over it and get on with it like men or are we stuck with players who think they are bigger than the management and the club whining since 2007 that they don't have 'the special one' managing them. If there is one thing that really pisses me off about this crop of players its the way they feel that they are bigger than the club and that they almost need Jose to make them play well. The effort under Mourinho from some current players was more than twice what it was under Grant and Scolari and some of them are not professional enough to deal with the fact that Mourinho is gone.

If what is said about players not accepting AVB because he 'was only a scout' under Mourinho then that makes me sick. How disrespectful and arrogant to some of them want to be?

[Kez 2,727]

Oh the dreaded player power situation. If it keeps happening for every manager since Mourinho, maybe it's time to stop placating the players...RA really needs to give his managers a steel rod of support or some players will do as they please. Can't imagine anyone would even look sideways at Ferguson. Guardiola gets the odd rebel or two and Barca sends them away.

Agree with this. AVB needs to show that players like Terry, Lampard & Drogba are not above the club. In a way I will be glad when the players from the days of Jose have moved on & we can finally move on as a club. It feels like Jose still has a hold over the team in some way. AVB needs to build his own team & needs to have the balls to sell players that have been a big part of the club in the past 7 years or so.

[Laylabelle 9,536]

Its an interesting point , they may not see him as the gaffa but as part of Jose's coaching staff.

Something will have to give if we keep under performing.

Then they need to be professional about it,get over that stage and quickly realise he is the Manager! Seeing him as anything else isnt exactly gana make matters better or change things..like it or not he is now manager

[francozola 2,040]

The amount of player-power at our club is simply ridiculous. I know it "helped" when a couple of these players influenced the sacking of Scolari and all, but it's just too unhealthy and doesn't go on at other clubs.

We are paying the price for:

1) Not blending in youth with older players and phasing out likes of Lamps, JT, A. Cole slowly

2) Not bringing in any creative & intelligent players at all in the last god knows how many years

3) Not getting rid of the likes of Anelkalouda, Drogba, Ferreira, and so on, (not at the same time but one or two in the each of the last few summers) and bringing in hungrier, talented players

There isn't any motivation, passion, drive in the team. Sure, they turn it on now and then, as we saw against QPR but it needs to be a consistent thing and there are just too many who are happy collecting their paycheck every week despite putting in mediocre performances

[Blue Armour 4,448]

"He didn't pay 15m euros (£13.2m) to get me out of Porto and another fortune to get me out of Chelsea," he said.

"It is not a question of the owner having patience. I have said we have set out to build something new at this club and the club is committed to what we are building for the future."

"There is no running away from our responsibilities," said Villas-Boas. "There is no calling this a year of transition, no calling for time to do our work."

http://news.bbc.co.u...ll/15813784.stm

That probably settles it

Its what I've been saying as well. This is a team that now thrives on results and achievements...That's why I said targets like the C Cup and FA cup are very good, and and winning the former could be excellent motivation for the squad especially the youngsters involved...

[Tortilla9 390]

What is it about our players and Mourinho? Can't they just get over it and get on with it like men or are we stuck with players who think they are bigger than the management and the club whining since 2007 that they don't have 'the special one' managing them. If there is one thing that really pisses me off about this crop of players its the way they feel that they are bigger than the club and that they almost need Jose to make them play well. The effort under Mourinho from some current players was more than twice what it was under Grant and Scolari and some of them are not professional enough to deal with the fact that Mourinho is gone.

If what is said about players not accepting AVB because he 'was only a scout' under Mourinho then that makes me sick. How disrespectful and arrogant to some of them want to be?

The same could probably be said for some fans and Mourinho. He is gone. He has moved on. Yet so many seem to be living in the past: what would Mourinho do? when Mourinho was here we did this/accomplished that.

The only transition that seems to exist at CFC is managerial transition while players are held unaccountable.

[eldo 868]

This x20. I will never understand why.

Last season people said that Carlo doesn't know what rotation is...

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Last season people said that Carlo doesn't know what rotation is...

Can't see the justification for Torres over Drogba anyway. We know Torres is an emotional wreck.. To play him v. His old club would've been a disaster. I like André's rotation. Keeps the likes of Terry fit.

[Tomo 21,751]

- thats right. They did not win anything, but they ended in 3th, 3th and 2nd in PL, and their place in top 4 was never in jeopard, you cant say the same about our current situation and Fersgunson is a proven manager in the high level.

Correct me if im wrong but in 2001/2002 they were 9th by Christmas, so i think there top 4 position was in jepoardy that season to be brutally honest.