Juan Mata

[DDA 9,693]

I'm loving it. Between the Oscar dive discussion and the Mourinho-Mata "fight" (lol) this forum is rolling.

If I had a nickle for everytime I have seen this gif posted on this forum, I could migrate to America and set up a casino in Vegas.

[Ollie 4,400]

The substitution of Mata the other day was sadly the best thing that has happened to us all season. We all love Juan but fact is, Willian, Oscar and Hazard are the best 3 together. Mata will probably go on the summer and give us a lot of money, probably around £40m. That sub was such a wake up call.

[Jase 43,479]

The fact he has visibly reacted in the way he did. If that isn't showing discontent, and thus challenging Mourinho's decision and ultimately his authority, then I'm not quite sure what is. His slamming down of the seat and his subsequent scowl and gesture - all after blanking the boss - is as bad as walking straight down the tunnel. If he wasn't moaning about Mourinho, then why was he gesticulating so fervently? Was he moaning about the rain?

Yes, we can all see he was frustrated but like I said before, we don't even know what on earth exactly he was exactly frustrated about. If he was actually doing what you said, then fair enough. But if not, then what? For all we know, he could actually be complaining about something else. There is not even a single proof to substantiate your claim. Your assessment of the situation is merely an interpretation and yet it is treated as some sort of fact that Mata's frustration is seen as an indication of challenging Mourinho's decision and people being so quick to take up the moral high ground and pass judgment. There is a clear difference here of just being unhappy and moaning and actually challenging the decision made.

As for blanking the boss, were there even replays that showed the whole incident of that substitution or is that merely another interpretation assumed as a fact because of pictures him walking past Mourinho without looking at him? It's not as if Mourinho offered to shake his hand or wanted to pat him on the back and Mata completely ignored it. If we want to talk this whole blanking the boss thing because he didn't make contact with Mourinho as he went off, then this isn't the first time it happened in history really. Not the first time it has happened and won't be the last and it's non-event really. Has happened before and nothing was said of it but yet this gets blown out of proportion.

Like I have already expressed, I have made my various points and I will stand by them. Up to other people if they want to act so butt-hurt over me challenging Mr Perfect. The club > any one player. I love Mata to bits but I'm not happy with his reaction, it isn't what I expect from one of our players. That's just my view.

People acting butt-hurt on this whole thing about Mata? That point is seriously getting old. Gets used way too often in an argument for people to use and escape from a discussion. And speaking about butt-hurt, perhaps the more butt-hurt thing here is that people are completely going over 'butt-hurt' on this whole incident that happened yesterday.

I want him to bounce back and get back into the team, but at the minute, he should be unhappy with himself rather than the boss.

How do you even know he is not happy with himself? Have you spoken to him personally?

[zolayes 14,489]

The substitution of Mata the other day was sadly the best thing that has happened to us all season. We all love Juan but fact is, Willian, Oscar and Hazard are the best 3 together. Mata will probably go on the summer and give us a lot of money, probably around £40. That sub was such a wake up call.

I assume you mean £40 million ,,, its Torres we are hoping for £40 for

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

If he would have born in any other country than he had, he wouldn't be a squad player.

He could have easily been born in London, named John Mark, and sent away as a kid for being too small and slow while the kids hoofed the ball up to Andy Carroll.

If are if's, but the idea that magically someone who rides the bench for his nation is too good to ride the bench of a club that has the choice of getting the best players from around the world is preposterous.

The only reason he's a squad player here is because he doesn't fit the system. He's been one of the top 10 EPL players in the past 2 years and shouldn't all of the sudden be dropped to a squad player.

He's a squad player for Spain because they have the top 3 mids in the world. If he played for any other National team, He'd be a starter. Even Fabregas didn't play much in the 2010 world cup.

Then he isnt too good to be a squad player, and Fabregas isnt either as many from Arsenal said he was.

[Azpinator 2,325]

Kieran., on 02 Jan 2014 - 09:26 AM, said:

I really don't feel sad when I think of Mata leaving tbh. 40m or so to be spent on a striker or midfielder sounds pretty decent to me, while we still have Willian, Hazard, Oscar and Schurrle. I would probably bring someone in the mold of Moses, solid wide player who wouldn't complain about being a squad player.

We have traore

Wait a sec, I thought in this forum doing well in pre-season means nothing? No?

[Amblève. 4,995]

Oh saint-Mata, can do no wrong..

All Mourinho's fault.

It's funny how you've changed your opinion on Mata ever since Mourinho returned. Kind of "jumping from bed to bed", huh?

[darrus 422]

Yes, we can all see he was frustrated but like I said before, we don't even know what on earth exactly he was exactly frustrated about. I

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As for blanking the boss, were there even replays that showed the whole incident of that substitution or is that merely another interpretation assumed as a fact because of pictures him walking past Mourinho without looking at him? It's not as if Mourinho offered to shake his hand or wanted to pat him on the back and Mata completely ignored it. If we want to talk this whole blanking the boss thing because he didn't make contact with Mourinho as he went off, then this isn't the first time it happened in history really. Not the first time it has happened and won't be the last and it's non-event really. Has happened before and yet this gets blown out of proportion.

That's a good point as we have only one photo of him walking past Mourinho and no video - and, I assume, no reports from those who were close - journalists and such? Certainly Mourinho didn't make a big deal out of it so either he's being lenient or there was no disrespect shown. For all we know he could have been furious about Torres' inability to score (something along the lines "I'm doing all I can and this *** can't hit a barn door from 2 metres distance and everyone will say again that I am useless as assistant just because he can't use any assists I make") or anything else, really.

But he does it on the first day of transfer window, under the cameras, after being subbed in a match he did nothing in and it looks like a demonstrative action, so it's hard to aprove. Especially after a good game that becomes overshadowed by all this hoopla. If he wanted to show that he is fed up and wants out there was no need, 'cos nobody is holding him here chained . If he didn't think - well, then he's more stupid than I thought.

In yesterday's match the only person he can be really angry with is himself.

And really I would have liked to know his opinion on his whole situation.

[Tomo 21,733]

I'm surprised he's taken him this long to kick off. one things for sure though, he won't be short of suitors and offers if/when he becomes available on the market so our loss really. from mata's perspective, he knows plenty of top to emerging clubs will be after him and make him a starter in their respective teams

Which side better than us will start him at their respective clubs?

Bayern Munich would not drop Ribery, Robben or Muller because they fit the system Bayern play and even then Gotze would be higher in the list to come off the bench.

Dortmund won't drop Kuba, Reus or Henrick either, because while Mata as an individual is arguably better than those 3, they fit Dortmund's high energy system perfectly.

Pellegrini would most probably choose Silva. Arsenal he will have to fight with Ozil and Cazorla.

Real or Barca he won't even get half the minutes he gets here even now, PSG he will have to fight with Moura and Lavezzi, even at Tottenham he will have competition in the form of Christian Eriksen. Athletico's team are also built on high pressing which means he will have just as big a fight on his hands as he does here. If he goes to Napoli, he has Hamsik to compete with, the list goes on and on.

The best club he can go to and still be star of the show is Monaco or ,and even then they will probably sign competition for his place eventually.

If players want to play at top clubs fighting for trophies (especially when we have other top players in his position), they have to fight for their place, and Mata is no different to any player in world football.

If he want's to go back to being the 'star of the show' he will either have to like any other professional outperform world class players, i love Mata, great player, nice guy, but none of those clubs above would build their system around him, so why Jose is getting stick for this situation i will never know.

[kobematabryant 400]

As long as we don't sell him to Man Utd, it's all fine. Selling Mata and buying a quality striker is ideal so I am hoping it happens. We have better players in our squad than Mata, we don't frankly need him, unless we have to use him to replace injured players. Let's be honest, he wants to be a regular at the team and it would only make sense if we sold him to a club where he can play regularly. It's not Mourinho's fault that Mata can't adapt to his style.

[Jase 43,479]

That's a good point as we have only one photo of him walking past Mourinho and no video - and, I assume, no reports from those who were close - journalists and such? Certainly Mourinho didn't make a big deal out of it so either he's being lenient or there was no disrespect shown. For all we know he could have been furious about Torres' inability to score (something along the lines "I'm doing all I can and this *** can't hit a barn door from 2 metres distance and everyone will say again that I am useless as assistant just because he can't use any assists I make") or anything else, really.

But he does it on the first day of transfer window, under the cameras, after being subbed in a match he did nothing in and it looks like a demonstrative action, so it's hard to aprove. Especially after a good game that becomes overshadowed by all this hoopla. If he wanted to show that he is fed up and wants out there was no need, 'cos nobody is holding him here chained . If he didn't think - well, then he's more stupid than I thought.

In yesterday's match the only person he can be really angry with is himself.

And really I would have liked to know his opinion on his whole situation.

It is arguably only a frustration showed in the heat of the moment. Don't get why some are so quick to criticize Mata for supposedly acting unethically and all that. Easy to say all that sitting behind the computers or TV watching the whole incident not being involved and pass judgment on him. If only we could see some of you lots in the exact same position as Mata and how you handle such highly pressurized or heat in the moment situation...And as for him demonstrating an action or intentionally reacting the way he did, what does he have to gain for doing so?

[ephreak 42]

I really don´t see what the fuss is all about. According to this site he gets his chances: http://espnfc.com/team/squad/_/id/363/league/eng.1/chelsea?cc=5739

And he will still play a lot of upcoming games, just not as much as before. It is a team sport, just do your best and the coach will pick you when you are needed. It is ridiculous everything..

And I don´t agree that we don´t NEED him, because there WILL be games where Oscar, Willian or even Hazard can´t do anything to help the team to score. People have to understand that his technique will be better against other opponent than say last game at Southampton.

[Tomo 21,733]

Think Chelsea fans do appreciate what Mata has contributed to this club but right now, it seems as if some are just completely dismissing that like it never even existed.

What? that couldn't be further from the truth.

His performances for us in 12/13 and especially 11/12 when he was literally our only in form player won't ever be forgotten, but there is only so long that we can keep using those two season's as a reason for him to be playing now. Demba Ba was the best player in a team that finished above us in Mata's first season, shall we play him just because of that?

Carvalho was poor from 2008 onwards, and many fans rightly wanted Alex in the side instead (which funnily enough both times dropping Ricky for Alex coincided with a significant improvement in results), yet i didn't see many people going "well Carvalho was one of the best defenders in Europe in his first four season's, Hiddink/Ancelotti is treating him horribly".

Just because some off us think Willian-Oscar-Hazard makes us the best team unit, doesn't mean we will ever forget or how Mata as good as carried us in his first season (we would have been fighting for the 8th place trophy with Fulham and Liverpool if it wasn't for him).

If Mata played for Dortmund, for example, he would have the same fight to play regularly as he does now.

[Jase 43,479]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/10548143/Southamptons-Luke-Shaw-resists-a-move-to-Chelsea-or-Manchester-United-in-this-transfer-window.html

The situation with Juan Mata will almost certainly be tested by Paris St-Germain but Chelsea’s attitude will be shaped by the player’s wishes. Mourinho said on Monday that the club had an “open door” should Mata wish to hold talks about leaving but stressed that he remained part of his plans.

There has been no fresh bid from PSG, although they are likely to explore the possibility of agreeing a deal this month. Napoli, Inter Milan and Manchester United are also interested. PSG need and are looking for a playmaker. They would also have the funds to make the sort of offer - in excess of £35 million - that would be seriously considered by Chelsea.

Chelsea’s players had the day off on Thursday but it is understood that Mata’s representatives have attempted to clarify the situation following Mourinho’s remarks on Wednesday. Mata made a visible show of his frustration when he was substituted after 53 minutes of the game at Southampton, which Chelsea won 3-0.

[Jase 43,479]

What? that couldn't be further from the truth.

His performances for us in 12/13 and especially 11/12 when he was literally our only in form player won't ever be forgotten, but there is only so long that we can keep using those two season's as a reason for him to be playing now. Demba Ba was the best player in a team that finished above us in Mata's first season, shall we play him just because of that?

Carvalho was poor from 2008 onwards, and many fans rightly wanted Alex in the side instead (which funnily enough both times dropping Ricky for Alex coincided with a significant improvement in results), yet i didn't see many people going "well Carvalho was one of the best defenders in Europe in his first four season's, Hiddink/Ancelotti is treating him horribly" he was but that was then, this is now.

Just because some off us think Willian-Oscar-Hazard makes us the best team unit, doesn't mean we will never forget or how Mata as good as carried us in his first season (we would have been fighting for the 8th place trophy with Fulham and Liverpool if it wasn't for him).

If Mata played for Dortmund, for example, he would have the same fight to play regularly as he does now.

Did I even relate that point I made to that he should be playing because of that?

That point was more to the fact of people's evaluation of Mata right now. Maybe you're not one of them and it's not as if I'm saying everyone thinks that but there are few that sees it that way.

[Jase 43,479]

Here's more on that.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelseas-juan-mata-targeted-transfer-2981865

Rafa Benitez wants to end Juan Mata’s Chelsea misery and offer him a World Cup rescue at Napoli.

Former Blues boss Benitez is ready to swoop for the Spanish schemer after Mata’s frustrations at his treatment under Jose Mourinho finally boiled over.

Less than 24 hours after Mata made his feelings clear after being hooked by Mourinho at Southampton, with the manager admitting the “door is open”, Napoli representatives contacted Chelsea.

But the west Londoners insisted it was merely a query to ascertain his position and confirm he is not being discarded.

Sources close to Mata are adamant he will not push for a move and that he will only leave this month if it is made clear he has no future at Stamford Bridge.

But Benitez, who made Mata the cornerstone of his Chelsea side last term, believes he can win the race to land the 25-year-old.

Serie A rivals Juventus and Inter Milan, as well as French ­champions Paris Saint-Germain, are interested in the £30million-rated star.

Liverpool and Manchester United are too, but Chelsea will not allow Mata to join a Premier League rival.

Mourinho is expected to confirm on Friday that he is not seeking to sell the player, with the club maintaining there in no interest in allowing a loan departure.

Nevertheless, Mata’s Chelsea future appears increasingly uncertain and a significant bid from Napoli could bring matters to a head this month.

[robsblubot 3,550]

people may be forgetting this is a World Cup year... the internationals need to play consistently to make their case.

It would be extremely convenient for us to have a player of Mata's caliber as a rotation - more like backup right now - option. Mata may have a far different idea of what his role ought to be though, and honestly I think he made abundantly clear what he thinks of his current role.

It is very difficult to turn a key player (on demand) into a rotation/backup player and expect him to accept that without making noise. He may want to leave and he might have a case. Now, It's just a matter of meeting the players valuation, which takes into consideration how much he wants to leave.

I am sure he/his agent will come out and say it was just the "heat of the moment" or another canned PR BS though.

[Namika 922]

Nice, he'll stay.