Stingray 9,441 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Well, there is mental fatigue after a prolonged period without being 'out', a break. It numbs the mind. It happens in all sports, writers have it, scientists have it, .... So, to get Mata from burning out - he should have a long enough period away from football. Burnout in football is a phenomenon that for example got the attention of AC milan lab, Ajax in their youth system, and pretty much everyone that does evidence based sports development in top sports. Muzchap, Peace. and The Mak 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinedine Iniesco 172 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Oh thats what you mean, not being able to participate due to mental fatigue.No i do not underestimate that, i have it in Mind.But in my view i can still qualify some of the statements a bit exaggerated in my opinion in this case.Of course mental and physical fatigue is possible.But the confederations cup and playing for spain is very important for these players and for the country of spain, and i am sure that the spanish, and chelsea physio have done more than enough physical and mental checkups, along with Mata's own evaluation to come to an agreement as to what exactly his role is going to be.Meaning that the players are going to play under the circumstances that their body allows it to.So i understand that it is under an acceptable amount of control, thus my opinion of an exaggeration under a certain context, and my explanation of one of the factors out of many as to why silva is playing over mata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Oh thats what you mean, not being able to participate due to mental fatigue.No i do not underestimate that, i have it in Mind.But in my view i can still qualify some of the statements a bit exaggerated in my opinion in this case.Of course mental and physical fatigue is possible.But the confederations cup and playing for spain is very important for these players and for the country of spain, and i am sure that the spanish, and chelsea physio have done more than enough physical and mental checkups, along with Mata's own evaluation to come to an agreement as to what exactly his role is going to be.Meaning that the players are going to play under the circumstances that their body allows it to.So i understand that it is under an acceptable amount of control, thus my opinion of an exaggeration under a certain context, and my explanation of one of the factors out of many as to why silva is playing over mata.Uhm ok. I guess. Only a physio wouldnt know the first thing about the mental aspect, i fear. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Didn't think he'd score that penalty in all honesty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Was worried when Mata took that penalty earlier but thankfully, he scored. Another low penalty from him but certainly better than the ones he took in recent times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petr.breu 1,618 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Didn't think he'd score that penalty in all honesty!Me too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termninja 5,290 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Haha just came to say I though Buffon was going to save his penalty when I find 3 posts on it already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,938 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Everyone thought he was going to miss lol.Just looking at the Bluemoon transfer section and they actually believed they where going to get Navas, Isco and yes wait for it MATA in this transfer window hahahahaha loool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyblue 443 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 He ran the game when he came on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azpinator 2,325 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 I think Spain became more dangerous after he came on, mostly in the 2nd half of ET. He played some great long passes and decent corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 A clever tactical move to bring him on late ,,,,was superb ..I was relieved he scored his penalty ,, Was Torres taken off in case it wentto penalties????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zone 290 Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 A clever tactical move to bring him on late ,,,,was superb ..I was relieved he scored his penalty ,, Was Torres taken off in case it wentto penalties?????Torres looked out of breath and kept leaning on his knees after the 80th minute. Piqué seemed injured too. That was probably the reason del bosque put Martinez in there, in case piqué had to walk off.Mata's penalty was good but then again besides Bonucci, everyone had an amazing penalty today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Spain look so much better with Mata and Navas instead of Pedro and SIlva but Del Bosque insists on thetiki-taka nonsense. Bosnian Blue, 11Drogba and Sovieticus 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Totally shit! Just like when we play against city and he goes missing. And just like his Spanish team that are total shit when the opposing team is aggressive and press like crazy. iceboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Ollie 4,400 Posted July 1, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted July 1, 2013 Spain in general were shit. There's no way Mata is shit like what you've said in 2 posts now. Mata's a class act who's played over 80 games since August. Duppy Conqueror, 11Drogba, Stats and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuvala 2,167 Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Totally shit!Just like when we play against city and he goes missing.And just like his Spanish team that are total shit when the opposing team is aggressive and press like crazy.They were all shit ...To be honest even the "legendery" Xavi and Iniesta were quite bad. not to mention Pique, Arbeloa, Ramos......Atleast Mata gave one great ball which was supposed to be an assist but David Luiz basicaly did a 'not today' save. Azpinator, Dion, kellzfresh and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinedine Iniesco 172 Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Replying to Stingray from the page behind, i have seen documentaries about spain where the NT's physio team helped iniesta GREATLY for example when it comes to the mental aspect during the 2010 world cup.About Mata, the lack of the 4-2-3-1 that del bosque has used all these years had its effect, along with fatigue. The brazilians came in with alot of energy and momentum, and i really think del bosque did a mistake not playing martinez @ midfield. Its been shown throughout the tournament, the problem at midfield.According to toni grande, which is the 2nd coach to spain, they replaced fabregas with mata because they needed more directness and pace, and that almost worked out for them today. Stingray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 He really struggled last night, only Arbeloa was worse. I really don't think he has much chance of being in the Spain team in the future. I can see him being part of the squad but not a starter. Sir Mikel OBE and Peace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stingray 9,441 Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Replying to Stingray from the page behind, i have seen documentaries about spain where the NT's physio team helped iniesta GREATLY for example when it comes to the mental aspect during the 2010 world cup.That is possible. Everyone think they are specialists. I would leave psychology to psychologists and physiology to physiologists. My point is that the mental aspect is often underrated and can be dealth with 'by merely talking', giving advice. While profesionally good interventions use hard core evidence based protocols. Not just someone who 'thinks' he can do it and is actually specialized in physio. That is still now - an underrated problem in football. eg: check Adriano. Heisenberg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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