🇧🇪 Romelu Lukaku

[Tomo 21,751]

Remember when we use to wonder how Hazard could show such little visible frustration when playing with the likes of Willian, Morata and Ramires? 

Now it all makes sense, he dealt with a lot worse at national level.

Edited January 18, 2022 by Tomo

[Tomo 21,751]

Imagine how many opposition counter attacks this guy would have started if he played for us under Frank.

[Jase 43,479]

58 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Imagine how many opposition counter attacks this guy would have started if he played for us under Frank.

Here's a stat - Lukaku's Pressure Per 90 stat in the Premier League this season is only 8.24. Only one other outfield player in the team has a lower stat - Silva (6.32). The next attacker in the team with the lowest Pressure Per 90 number is CHO but his is at 15.9.

[Tomo 21,751]

Just now, Jase said:

Here's a stat - Lukaku's Pressure Per 90 stat in the Premier League this season is only 8.24. Only one other outfield player in the team has a lower stat - Silva (6.32). 

The only thing that's shocked me is it's that high.

[Superblue 6,372]

50 minutes ago, Jase said:

Here's a stat - Lukaku's Pressure Per 90 stat in the Premier League this season is only 8.24. Only one other outfield player in the team has a lower stat - Silva (6.32). The next attacker in the team with the lowest Pressure Per 90 number is CHO but his is at 15.9.

A pretty damning stat.

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

17 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

I never thought differently, and it makes things a little worrying. This whole notion that the club wanted to buy Lukaku without Tuchel's agreement, or that they forced the signing is nonsense. Tuchel said he wanted Lukaku weeks before we even signed him. 

If Tuchel is this full tilt with buying a player that was so blatantly obvious never going to work, and continue to forcibly play him in a system even my nan knowns he isn't tailored for, it gives me damaged confidence in Tuchel and how he approaches the market. 

 

[Tomo 21,751]

37 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I never thought differently, and it makes things a little worrying. This whole notion that the club wanted to buy Lukaku without Tuchel's agreement, or that they forced the signing is nonsense. Tuchel said he wanted Lukaku weeks before we even signed him. 

If Tuchel is this full tilt with buying a player that was so blatantly obvious never going to work, and continue to forcibly play him in a system even my nan knowns he isn't tailored for, it gives me damaged confidence in Tuchel and how he approaches the market. 

This is why i never understood the binary thinking of "they've won X trophy so we should back their judgement in the market", was the same with Conte apparently the 2017 title meant we should have handed him a blank cheque.

Great coaches can be shit in the market and vice versa.

[Tomo 21,751]

To put this into a little bit of context it's the same amount of touches Gabby Agbonlahor had in one half playing for bottom of the league Villa away to Spurs (when they were good) and he was mocked on Monday Night football.

And wouldn't you just know all off a sudden as soon as he finally got hauled off we started playing like a team again. Pressing and every player involved in the build up.

The worse thing is he's even failing at what he's suppose to be good at (what even I expected he would be fine with). We were told to embrace his flaws because he would make amends with goals. He has a big chance tonight, a big chance against City and big chances in both legs against Spurs and wasted them. That's possibly/probably 5 points he's squandered us, not good enough when he offers next to nothing else.

If he's not taking those chances, what positive are we getting out of him being on the pitch? Please someone tell me what I'm missing here.

[robsblubot 3,595]

8 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Joke of a player at it's finest, I'm not watching anymore if he starts against Tottenham.

That's totally unfair considering Lukaku did not play against Brighton. 😉

[Tomo 21,751]

https://twitter.com/goal/status/1409059003343200256?lang=en

He set his own standards, remember that.

Edited January 18, 2022 by Tomo

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Honking. Him, Werner, Ziyech, Pulisic all gone in the summer please.

If we truly have aspiration’s to being a top top team for longer than 8 months they have to go.  

Edited January 18, 2022 by OneMoSalah

[chelsea_4_eva 1,182]

He wants to be in the same bracket as Lewa, Benzema, CR7 but their mentality and ability are on a different level to Lukaku. When was the last time he stepped up and clinched a winner in a big game...

He wants to be all that, but hes not.. the problem is, in his head he is.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,073]

53 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Honking. Him, Werner, Ziyech, Pulisic all gone in the summer please.

If we truly have aspiration’s to being a top top team for longer than 8 months they have to go.  

Something that really has to go is the recruitment approach which means that generation after generation we underperform in the transfer market and collect players with a flair for the spectacular but lacking in the final stamp of quality. 

Edited January 18, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

Just now, OhForAGreavsie said:

Something that really has to go is the recruitment approach which means that generation after generation we underperform in the transfer market collect players with a flair for the spectacular but lacking in the final stamp of quality. 

We bought Pulisic simply to tap into the American market. 
 

There is zero footballing identity at this club. 

[LAM09 7,054]

Just now, OhForAGreavsie said:

Something that really has to go is the recruitment approach which means that generation after generation we underperform in the transfer market collect players with a flair for the spectacular but lacking in the final stamp of quality. 

Feels like we can't compete for the top talents anymore or are reluctant to go for them.  Providing Havertz hits the heights most expected prior to the move, he's the only top talent we've signed in years & COVID was probably the main reason we got it over the line to begin with.

[Jase 43,479]

10 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Something that really has to go is the recruitment approach which means that generation after generation we underperform in the transfer market collect players with a flair for the spectacular but lacking in the final stamp of quality. 

For all the stick we give to those players, I don't think they are bad players per se (including Lukaku!). In the right environment, in the right setup, I think they would thrive. It's just we do a shit job at recruiting players because (a) the club don't have any idea how they want the team to play, (b) we keep changing managers and (c) the manager some times does a shit job at getting the best out of them. 

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, LAM09 said:

Feels like we can't compete for the top talents anymore or are reluctant to go for them.  Providing Havertz hits the heights most expected prior to the move, he's the only top talent we've signed in years & COVID was probably the main reason we got it over the line to begin with.

Top talent? What top talent? Havertz has been here for 18 months, we spent 70+ million on him and he has yet to show any sort of consistency and qualities that made people go gaga over him in the first place. I know players are different from one another but Hazard was already showing his qualities, making an impact, giving us that X factor the minute he joined the club and he didn't even cost 70+ million!

[LAM09 7,054]

Just now, Jase said:

Top talent? What top talent? Havertz has been here for 18 months, we spent 70+ million on him and he has yet to show any sort of consistency and qualities that made people go gaga over him in the first place. I know players are different from one another but Hazard was already showing his qualities, making an impact, giving us that X factor the minute he joined the club and he didn't even cost 70+ million!

As I alluded to with "hit the heights". The potential to hit the level Hazard did whilst he was here. 

A number of things have hampered Havertz's time thus far at the club, from being played in multiple positions, not getting a run of games & needless to say, long term COVID effects.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, LAM09 said:

As I alluded to with "hit the heights". The potential to hit the level Hazard did whilst he was here. 

Is the potential even there?

1 minute ago, LAM09 said:

A number of things have hampered Havertz's time thus far at the club, from being played in multiple positions,

Then here's the question, which I've been asking, what exactly is he? Is he a goalscorer? Is he a creator/creative player? Because so far, he has not shown consistent killer instincts to score AND he has not shown that he's capable of playing killer passes etc. He has not owned a game. So what exactly is he good at that we can fit him into one position? 

4 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

not getting a run of games

This is not quite true. He got a decent run of games towards the end of last season and this season as well, especially when both Lukaku and Werner were out injured.

[NikkiCFC 8,319]

As much as I don't like Lukaku I don't think he is our biggest problem like many are saying. 

Just simply comparing stats... 

Last season Tuchel took us at half season exactly. 

19 games 38 points just 25 goals scored 

This season after 19 games we had 42 goals scored and 41 points. 

So it was clear we needed goalscorer in the summer to fix our problems in attack. Unfortunately Lukaku is not doing that at all and it's huge disappointment but let's not pretend we are some attacking force without him.