Tomo

Suarez is so over-hyped it's silly. I don't think he is even in double figures in the premier league yet Liverpool fans think he is better than Silva, Mata, Sturridge and Van Persie and the funny thing is their being serious

Is a personal insult really nessesery?

Okay sometime this week ill give it a go

Was suprised when i saw the score, i thought Santos had a chance of causing a upset. Did Ganso play? do you reckon Neymar could move in January or the summer now he has played Barca?

Just imagine if he went to Liverpool as part of the Torres deal

The only way i can give any donations is by post, my bank card is just a basic one, doesn't do internet transations.

If Carlo stayed this season and didn't do any better than this the whole forum would have been like "we should have got AVB when we we had the chance".

Welbeck and Sturridge should be the Euro 2012 partnership, even when Rooney has returned. Rooney since 2004 has played shit in major tournaments, these 2 will be fired up and hungry for it and they have a decent understanding between each other.

Scousers on youtube especially give it out then block you when it comes to taking it back, hate people like that, i created another account once to solely give the twat some home truths Should not really do it but i can't help it. As for Sturridge, on current form best forward in the league behind Van Persie, no doubt.

Personally i think he should have been given the job, Barca took the risk with Guardiola why couldn't we have done the same with Clarke? The Avram era baffled me, we put an unqualiffied buffon who spent the whole season putting the cones out yet we have Clarke who knows this club inside out and Ten Cate (a qualified manager) as assistant, i still to this day wonder what that was all about. The summer transfers (im hoping) is showing signs of lesson's learned as in sign young, hungry players from now on and hoepfully the grass won't end up growing underneath their feat this time.

1 of them hardly plays anymore, the other hardly starts and the other is only starting because of Torres bad form.

I personally want to meet every hater who wrote him off this time last year and stick humble pie down their throat. Looking at our next team the first key players already seem to be emerging Luiz, Romeu, Ramires, Danny, Mata. Vital we keep all them fit this season.

Statistically David Luiz has been one of the best defenders.

Hard choice but i thought i would choose Sturridge for these reason's. This year his determination to make a success off himself at Chelsea has been unbelivable, he forced the loan move through because he wasn't get played enough done well there and has came back and played his way into the team and on current form out of forwards i would probally only rate Van Persie higher than him in England.

The season? granted both were poor yesterday but i think Meireles has been in general very good when called upon and Lampard had a good couple of months.

Just want the game to be over so we don't have to see that shitty badge on the TC homepage no more.

Wigan were a lot open against Arsenal and got ripped to pieces (which probally why they parked the bus today). Wigan do seem to be in general an awkward customer to every top team bar United. Arsenal's win their a few weeks ago was only their 2nd in 5 attempts and they actually beat us when we won the double. Not disputing that it is a disapointing result however.

When it comes to manager's we need to look at the wider picture aswell as the current one. Take Avram Grant for example, while 2nd and a CL final place isn't bad for that moment, even my 1 year old cousion could have seen that if we kept him long term it would have been an absolute travesty, his spell at West Ham proved that. Plus he has Steve Clarke to help him that season (IMO Clarke did more than him) and Clarke went to West Ham not long after which would have left Avram and Chelsea well and truly fucked. Not to mention nearly all of the squad wanted out if Avram stayed and which half decent player would have came to Chelsea under Avram? AVB there has been speckles of hope this season, ok not as much as we would have hoped for but with Mata, Danny, Oriol and a better standard of football compared to last season things look pretty good in terms of the future right now imo. What will sacking him do? not only will we have to pay out £20m. Kalou, Malouda and co will get a "fresh chance". Right now there playing time is limited and AVB has already shown balls by dropping Lamps when he is playing shit frezing out Alex and Anelka. I think AVB's only real mistake is not going into the market earlier, he realises that which is why we look set for a busy January and even busier summer. The general rule in football is manager's should get a year to access the situation, a second to make changes and a 3rd to stamp his authority on the side truly. If there are still more question's then answers in the 3rd then yes but i will make my true judgement on AVB when the well fed "superstars" have buggered off and he has "his players" in then there is no excuses but right now with everything into prespective im more than happy with what he has done all in all so far, put it this way it could have been a lot worse.

Agree to some extent Drogba does have to go. I love him as much as the next Chelsea fan but this has to be his last season with us. I admit were not in the title race now, i thought we were at the beggining but i was wrong i love lauding it when i am right so ill have my humble pie for being wrong but having said that i will be stunned if our CL place is under threat over the course of 38 games. The mental side of sport is one that is really under-rated, even tho we were shocking last season when it looked our CL place was under serious threat we pulled our finger out of our arse and made sure it did not happen where-as Spurs crumbled and dropped points against relegation side's (i know we did yesterday but we don't do it often in comparison to Liverpool, Spurs and even Arsenal and that's the difference). If we drop points in January against Swansea, Norwich and co then we should start thinking shit but right now we should just take yesterday as a bad day in the office.

RZA is right, any team struggles when teams play 11 men behind the ball, its a fact how many times have you seen a team park the bus and the opposition still battered them anyway? Look at Jose's first season at the club, we played a relegation threatened Birmingham side at Stamford Bridge in the prem (i was there that day), Bruce put 11 men behind the ball in the first half and we were reduced to ONE shot in a dire first half and that was when we were at our peak. Infact Birmingham took a smash and grab lead in that one Pandiani scoring it luckily Drogba scored late on to save us, but the point im trying to make is we were at our peak back then but struggles against a team that put everyone behind the ball. Infact Tottenham did exactly the same that season and came away with a 0-0. Arsenal's "invincibles" fell foul to numerous bore draws that season because of teams parking everyone behind the ball. I know it's not the same but when i use to play sunday league i played for one of the best side's which meant team's playing 11 men behind the ball alot and believe me although we were miles better it was bloody hard trying to break them down, just as often as not we didn't manage it. So i don't think we can be blamed for failing to create many chances against a side that parked 11 men behind the ball, it's not unusual to strugle in those circumstances.

Look we knew what we were getting when we appointed AVB. The best case was the Porto momentum carried on, worst case is not far off what has happened so far but even with that (long term atleast) things are not too bad. Yes yesterday was disapointing but if were honest it is the first time we have really chucked away stupid points this season. Arsenal, Liverpool and United is hardly chucking away points as there big matches, Stoke away likewise and QPR we were robbed but still outplayed the R's with 2 less men. Sometimes we just need to take a step back and think hold on a minute this time last year we would have bitten gods hand off for a player of the class of Juan Mata, we would have also bitten gods hand off for Danny Sturridge to get a proper chance and Kaloudanelka getting dropped and having their game time at a bare minimum. Hand on heart if those 3 situation's were offered to you this time last year would you have complained? If we were going into this season with the squad at the peak of their powers off the back of a treble season (IE Rafa at Inter) then yes AVB will deserve all the stick we could throw at him but in reality that is not the case AVB took over a in general well fed squad of internatinal "superstars" and has to do 3 years worth of rebuilding. Yes despite the double in 2009/2010 i do believe the rebuilding process should have started after Moscow or at the very least the year later (Hiddink said just as much). We just have to sit tight and see how this evolves, if we have shown no sign's of progression in 2 years then lets doubt AVB but right now im just happy to see a bit of energy, pace and creativity in the side (in comparision to last season).

I no Carlo hater (far from it) but i think we in general have forgotten just how horrific the football was last season. I wanted Carlo to have one more season to fix it but their is no getting away from it, last season was rigic, static and horrible to watch.

Yes lets sack AVB and give Malouda and co "another chance". http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/11771-10-reasons-to-be-delighted-with-avb-so-far/page__p__320303#entry320303

Bosingwa's good at running down the wing in a striaght line, he can't cross for shit. Obviously their are exeptions like his ball to Malouda against WBA but all in all no. Ironically i think he is a better LB than RB.

Spurs are a good team don't get me wrong but we are seriously over-rating them. Remember when we went to The Lane last year on horrific form but still dominated the game. Mata and Danny are too of the most on form players in the league and are up against 2 full backs who are dodgy defensively to put it nice. I said before the game at The Lane last year we will do ok when every one around me was over-reacting and predicting a 3-0 loss at best and ill say it again we will do fine, if we can beat City we can certainly beat these.