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Special Juan

Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

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The way Jose Mourinho put Casillas on the bench, partly out of principles to show who is the boss, I want to see Sarri putting Alonso. Same with Hart and Pep. Mourinho even benched Pogba not so long ago. And Sarri can't bench f*cking Marcos Alonso...

Same goes for Willian/Pedro, of course.

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4 hours ago, Sarrismo said:

Hi.

I'm a Napoli supporter so you can trust me, I'm not biased: Sarri, as a manager, is WAY better than an Ancelotti.

 


I've read a lot about Plan A, Plan B...
This is not the problem.
The problem is that you never had a chance to ACTUALLY see Plan A, the Sarriball.

 

Here in Naples Sarri had a team of a much lower level than this Chelsea.

But they were a team. They were humble, ready to play for the team, for the manager, ready to pursue a collective idea.

 

Here at Chelsea instead the player are technically much more gifted, BUT they are assholes.

Egoists, individualistic, lazy, basically they're a bunch of player puts together, not really a team.

 

 

And if you want Sarriball you need a team.

Trust me: support Sarri.

If the players one day will choose to play as a team, you'll be the luckiest supporter of the world, as we were until 9 months ago.

Does this include Jorginho?

1 hour ago, El P. said:

The way Jose Mourinho put Casillas on the bench, partly out of principles to show who is the boss, I want to see Sarri putting Alonso. Same with Hart and Pep. Mourinho even benched Pogba not so long ago. And Sarri can't bench f*cking Marcos Alonso...

Same goes for Willian/Pedro, of course.

Bingo. This is why I don't feel sorry for Sarri just yet.

Keeps on playing the same old dross that lets him down over and over. Even one of his own Jorginho is having a nightmare playing so shite.

I swear after yesterday, if I see Alonso EVER again in the starting line-up, I'll not shred a tear for Sarri anymore.

I wish what he is doing to CHO, he would do to the crap players of Alonso, Willian, Barkley etc.

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13 minutes ago, Mana said:

I swear after yesterday, if I see Alonso EVER again in the starting line-up, I'll not shred a tear for Sarri anymore.

Well, he rarely changes introduces Emerson in the game as a sub. Against City he did that, I think that is a good sign, he obviously thought that Alonso wasn't good enough. ...But I agree, it's unacceptable.

I really hope to God that Sarri can change his attitude for some things because we really can't afford to sack manager again.

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1 minute ago, Henrique said:

Why?

If Sarri changes his tactics and formation, puts on better players...then I want to give him a chance. No sacking. Because I see him trying.

But if he continues this way, sacking has to happen.

If Sarri was smart, he would play around with formations, tactics and adapt until the end of the season. Then the summer, do a clearout and get better players.

Then retry your Sarriball. 

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1 minute ago, Mana said:

If Sarri changes his tactics and formation, puts on better players...then I want to give him a chance. No sacking. Because I see him trying.

But if he continues this way, sacking has to happen.

If Sarri was smart, he would play around with formations, tactics and adapt until the end of the season. Then the summer, do a clearout and get better players.

Then retry your Sarriball. 

he can't change all the concepts that he is trying to teach to the players because of a loss against city. it was a brutal loss ok. . 

but then again, his mechanisms are hard to learn, and the only way is try and try and try 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Henrique said:

Why?

- with having only Marina in charge, no director of football, no Roman in England, and with transfer ban knocking at the door... I wouldn't risk another instability factor

- it means this lot of players will mostly stay at the club and won't feel consequences, and it will be for third manager straight that it happens

- switching to attacking football will take time, being it with Sarri or not, and attacking football is clearly what out board wants; also I am not sure are there even some available coaches who play attacking football

- sacking coach like Sarri to bring someone like Conte for interim role would be huge step backwards in attempt of changing our philosophy

- Sarri, with all of his faults, have beaten Liverpool and Spurs in cup, and with setup like that it could be enough to win EL where opponents are not that strong

- United is too strong under Ole, getting new coach for getting top4 finish won't help us; in time new manager settles and produces something, United will be far from us

- it costs money, we didn't pay what we owe to Conte yet

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Just now, Antonio8 said:

he can't change all the concepts that he is trying to teach to the players because of a loss against city. it was a brutal loss ok. . 

but then again, his mechanisms are hard to be learnt, and the only way is try and try and try 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Antonio8 said:

he can't change all the concepts that he is trying to teach to the players because of a loss against city. it was a brutal loss ok. . 

but then again, his mechanisms are hard to learn, and the only way is try and try and try 

 

 

...what? It's just the City defeat? Sarriball hasn't been working for months now!

And the season's not over yet, there could be even more embarrassing defeats ahead of us if this doesn't change!

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This club is a mess. No DoF, multiple 30+ players with zero motivation, multiple players that doesnt even know if they will be here next season etc. ofcourse they dont give a single F*ck. 

Just have to see that picture of Hazard & CO laughing while exchanging shirts with city players in the tunnel after the game. They just dont care. 

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I actually think it's more brave of him to stick with his philosophy.  It's what got him here.  He's worked his way up from the bottom to here.  Abandoning his principles would show a lack of faith in himself.  I think that's quite brave.  Naive, stubborn and arrogant?  Yes, yes, maybe.  If players aren't doing what he wants them to do, then why believe that they are going to play in to his plan B?  If you're going to go down, go down swinging.

However, if he want to stick with his principles, then he has to drop the players that are continually "not playing his football". 

If his remit was to come in and impose his style of play, hopefully get top 4, but put his blueprint down and figure out who should stay and who should go, then he should already know who he doesn't want to go forward with, and it's next man up.  If he wants more desire from his team, then give a chance to some hungry players that have been sitting on the bench all year.  If some of these guys don't want to "play your football", then fuck 'em.  Stick them on the bench or in the stands and let them leave to a club that lets them do what they want.  I'm glad he didn't bring up the desire or mentality after that humiliation at City.  He's already done that.  It didn't work.  His next step has to be dropping players who aren't doing what he wants.

Now, if his remit was to come in and polish a turd in to a diamond as quickly as possible and get results at the same time.  I'm afraid it's not working.  Though, based on everyone else who's failed to do that, it seems like an impossible job.

Conte squeezed the last bit of juice from this squad, IMO.  It's a big summer coming up.  We'll see what the club have as a plan, if they have one at all. 

 

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26 minutes ago, Mana said:

...what? It's just the City defeat? Sarriball hasn't been working for months now!

And the season's not over yet, there could be even more embarrassing defeats ahead of us if this doesn't change!

or maybe the mechanisms of the squad will become more secure and authomatic with time 

I'am not so pessimistic 

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36 minutes ago, El P. said:

- with having only Marina in charge, no director of football, no Roman in England, and with transfer ban knocking at the door... I wouldn't risk another instability factor

- it means this lot of players will mostly stay at the club and won't feel consequences, and it will be for third manager straight that it happens

- switching to attacking football will take time, being it with Sarri or not, and attacking football is clearly what out board wants; also I am not sure are there even some available coaches who play attacking football

- sacking coach like Sarri to bring someone like Conte for interim role would be huge step backwards in attempt of changing our philosophy

- Sarri, with all of his faults, have beaten Liverpool and Spurs in cup, and with setup like that it could be enough to win EL where opponents are not that strong

- United is too strong under Ole, getting new coach for getting top4 finish won't help us; in time new manager settles and produces something, United will be far from us

- it costs money, we didn't pay what we owe to Conte yet

You made interesting points, I thought you would come up with the idea that if Sarri get sacked no other manager would be willing to take the job, and we know Chelsea job is wanted by any manager around for one simple reason: the job is well paid, and if they get axed it basically means they can go home and get an abusive amount of cash without working. For example, its understood Mourinho staff received 8m in compensation after he was sacked in 2016...and after he was sacked again by United he is getting 22m in compensation. Any person in the world is willing to take such job. Its a win/win situation.

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4 minutes ago, Henrique said:

You made interesting points, I thought you would come up with the idea that if Sarri get sacked no other manager would be willing to take the job, and we know Chelsea job is wanted by any manager around for one simple reason: the job is well paid, and if they get axed it basically means they can go home and get an abusive amount of cash without working. For example, its understood Mourinho staff received 8m in compensation after he was sacked in 2016...and after he was sacked again by United he is getting 22m in compensation. Any person in the world is willing to take such job. Its a win/win situation.

And yet, Guardiola himself turned us down because the board were not willing to work with him. 

No top manager will want to come here and only be the role of the 'yes man'. 

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Just now, MoroccanBlue said:

And yet, Guardiola himself turned us down because the board were not willing to work with him

No top manager will want to come here and only be the role of the 'yes man'. 

Thats completely false. Guardiola turned Chelsea down because he had a better offer. City was offering more money, and was willing to give him more power. Simple as that. Chelsea always hired managers that are considered "top", even if the club is well known to sack managers before the end of contract. Managers are professionals and they are interested in getting as much cash as possible, or are you telling me that Scolari, Ancelotti, Mourinho, Conte and now Sarri were not considered top managers when they were appointed? 

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Just now, Henrique said:

Thats completely false. Guardiola turned Chelsea down because he had a better offer. City was offering more money, and was willing to give him more power. Simple as that. Chelsea always hired managers that are considered "top", even if the club is well known to sack managers before the end of contract. Managers are professionals and they are interested in getting as much cash as possible, or are you telling me that Scolari, Ancelotti, Mourinho, Conte and now Sarri were not considered top managers when they were appointed? 

What have I said that was wrong then? The part in bold is specifically what I'm referring to? Our board wouldn't work with him to get what he needed. Football is evolving and coaches are now taking a more hands on approach. They want control of the team in every aspect. 

Scolari, Ancelotti, and Mourinho had teams of leaders. Easy to work with. We now have a team full of average and weak minded individuals. A complete rebuild looks necessary yet it's been proven for a few seasons now that our board won't ever fully back the manager. 

So Tell me, what top manager will want to come here where a rebuild is necessary, and a board that won't fully back you? 

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1 minute ago, MoroccanBlue said:

So Tell me, what top manager will want to come here where a rebuild is necessary, and a board that won't fully back you? 

Any top manager, as long as they get the right contract aka enough money and a fat paycheck if they sacked.

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