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European Competition Thread

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Can someone please tell me how are Juventus considered a good draw for Spurs? Have read some analysis across various sites and somehow, Juventus, who have won 6 straight Serie A titles and reached 2 Champions League finals in last 3 years, have been dismissed like they're Newcastle! One journalist even deemed them sitting 3rd in the table as unthinkable, despite being just 2 points off the top! Why are people even reading so much into Spurs' wins over Real and Dortmund, who have been nothing short of disaster this season?

Also unsurprisingly, many seem to have written us off against Barcelona. They are, rightly, the favorites but if Conte is looking at how to get the players pumped up for the tie, he could do no worse than stick up the predictions from the journalists/pundits in the dressing room.

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Can someone please tell me how are Juventus considered a good draw for Spurs? Have read some analysis across various sites and somehow, Juventus, who have won 6 straight Serie A titles and reached 2 Champions League finals in last 3 years, have been dismissed like they're Newcastle! One journalist even deemed them sitting 3rd in the table as unthinkable, despite being just 2 points off the top! Why are people even reading so much into Spurs' wins over Real and Dortmund, who have been nothing short of disaster this season?
Also unsurprisingly, many seem to have written us off against Barcelona. They are, rightly, the favorites but if Conte is looking at how to get the players pumped up for the tie, he could do no worse than stick up the predictions from the journalists/pundits in the dressing room.
They beat RM, so they're now unstoppable.
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Messi back in 2006 -

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"There are players here who hate Chelsea more than Real Madrid," Messi told the News of the World, per Sky Sports.

"I never thought I would hear myself say that.

"I also never thought I would see something worse than the Boca and River Plate rivalry or Brazil v Argentina - but this is.

"We would rather play Arsenal, Manchester United or anyone else than be on the pitch with Chelsea."

I don't think much has changed since then. We can certainly cause yet another upset for them. They never liked playing us.

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13 hours ago, Mana said:

Really? That v. PSG tie we had in 2015 still burns...

That was one of our worst performance. We got a gift from the ref in the formation of undeserved red for Ibra early in the game. It should have been an easy game yet if I am not wrong we were dominated by 10 man team. 

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8 hours ago, milan.cech said:

Messi back in 2006 -

I don't think much has changed since then. We can certainly cause yet another upset for them. They never liked playing us.

I dont anything will change with players and fans alike specially the ones who are still associated directly/indirectly with that dreadful night at the Bridge ... Barca were exposed as one of the biggest cheats around so it is obvious that they dont like us and we dont like them. I still curse them when I remember about that game and I know quite a few who still have that scar which is something which will go till the end. 

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Spurs have no chance against Juve.
Is it predrawn now to the end ?
If it is n't are the teams from the same country to be seeded again for the stage of 8 ?

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Agree with the sentiment here. Bring em' on. Its been a few years since there was a classic Champions League night at the Bridge. After the 2012 run, I think only the win against PSG where Ba nicked a winner came close. It feels good to have these big games back on the fixture list. 

 

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On 12/12/2017 at 2:19 AM, Jason said:

Can someone please tell me how are Juventus considered a good draw for Spurs? Have read some analysis across various sites and somehow, Juventus, who have won 6 straight Serie A titles and reached 2 Champions League finals in last 3 years, have been dismissed like they're Newcastle! One journalist even deemed them sitting 3rd in the table as unthinkable, despite being just 2 points off the top! Why are people even reading so much into Spurs' wins over Real and Dortmund, who have been nothing short of disaster this season?

Also unsurprisingly, many seem to have written us off against Barcelona. They are, rightly, the favorites but if Conte is looking at how to get the players pumped up for the tie, he could do no worse than stick up the predictions from the journalists/pundits in the dressing room.

It's certainly not a very good draw, but I'll still favour Spurs over Juventus, not on current form of course. But Spurs will hit back, they have a young and talented squad, and of course maybe their performances shouldn't mean anything given the form of Real and Dortmund but even Juventus were nothing great in the Champions League, Barca managed to contain them in both the legs

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2 hours ago, cfcs most wanted said:

It's certainly not a very good draw, but I'll still favour Spurs over Juventus, not on current form of course. But Spurs will hit back, they have a young and talented squad, and of course maybe their performances shouldn't mean anything given the form of Real and Dortmund but even Juventus were nothing great in the Champions League, Barca managed to contain them in both the legs

I don't think finishing second in the group should be used as an indication for anything, especially when there's a 2-month gap between the group stage and knockout stage. It's always about qualifying for the last 16 when you're in the group. Juventus in 2014/15, for example, came second in their group behind Atletico Madrid and still managed to reach the final, beating Dortmund, Monaco and Real Madrid along the way. Juve also did something similar last season. So they do have a track record of turning it on in the knockout stage.

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Seeing all these high pressing exciting games in the champions league, and then watching our match against Man City, why to be always this protective, just have a go sometime

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How do these teams keep possession so well even in most difficult situations? I don't get it, if it was us Courtois would have lumped 10 long balls by now because we can't stand any kind of pressure.

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Yeah, it's depressing watching other teams play well when we have to suffer through shit on a stick football.

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12 minutes ago, manpe said:

How do these teams keep possession so well even in most difficult situations? I don't get it, if it was us Courtois would have lumped 10 long balls by now because we can't stand any kind of pressure.

Cause these guys know how to pass, for starters

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Basel might be playing a weaken City side but look at them taking the game to them and having joy. Makes our performance even more pathetic

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2 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Basel might be playing a weaken City side but look at them taking the game to them and having joy. Makes our performance even more pathetic

makes me wanna punch Conte for that post match comments...

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11 minutes ago, manpe said:

How do these teams keep possession so well even in most difficult situations? I don't get it, if it was us Courtois would have lumped 10 long balls by now because we can't stand any kind of pressure.

Same thing with Mourinho's Chelsea. In truth we've always been awful at building from the back. These teams have managers that can coach how to beat a high press by passing out from the back. Right now we have Rudiger, Christensen and Azpilicueta.  No excuse in Conte's inability to be able to coach this team to adequately pass out from the back.

We also need another deep lying playmaker to help Fabregas make it easier to beat the press when he drops deep with the centre backs to try and make forward passes. Fabregas is our only playmaking midfielder capable of seeing the pitch and making quick incisive passes. But he's slow and susceptible to the high press of coaches like Guardiola, Pochettino and Klopp. But the coaching aspect comes before the personnel aspect in my opinion. 

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Same thing with Mourinho's Chelsea. In truth we've always been awful at building from the back. These teams have managers that can coach how to beat a high press by passing out from the back. Right now we have Rudiger, Christensen and Azpilicueta.  No excuse in Conte's inability to be able to coach this team to adequately pass out from the back.
We also need another deep lying playmaker to help Fabregas make it easier to beat the press when he drops deep with the centre backs to try and make forward passes. Fabregas is our only playmaking midfielder capable of seeing the pitch and making quick incisive passes. But he's slow and susceptible to the high press of coaches like Guardiola, Pochettino and Klopp. But the coaching aspect comes before the personnel aspect in my opinion. 
We are actually quite good coming out from the back, definitely better than anything we saw under Mourinho. This difference was the first thing I noticed with Conte's arrival. The problem arises once we get to midfield, due to lack of quality or coaching or whatever reasons, we hit a wall or make a simple mistake and have to face pressure again. We simply don't have the midfield to connect our back to front fluidly. Fabregas is not mobile enough, he's one of the bottlenecks in our midfield. Kante absolutely needs a completely different partner than anything we can currently offer.

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26 minutes ago, manpe said:

How do these teams keep possession so well even in most difficult situations? I don't get it, if it was us Courtois would have lumped 10 long balls by now because we can't stand any kind of pressure.

It's not even just about keeping possession when under pressure, which we are rubbish at as pointed above, but also the pressing. I mean look at Spurs v Juventus. The latter have been piss poor but Spurs haven't allowed them to settle into any rhythm with proper, cohesive pressing. If it was us, we would have sat off them and give them all the time in the world to pass the ball around. We are always more reactive than proactive in such matches and it's quite annoying and infuriating that others often take the latter approach and do it well while we don't.

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7 minutes ago, manpe said:

We are actually quite good coming out from the back, definitely better than anything we saw under Mourinho. This difference was the first thing I noticed with Conte's arrival. The problem arises once we get to midfield, due to lack of quality or coaching or whatever reasons, we hit a wall or make a simple mistake and have to face pressure again. We simply don't have the midfield to connect our back to front fluidly. Fabregas is not mobile enough, he's one of the bottlenecks in our midfield. Kante absolutely needs a completely different partner than anything we can currently offer.

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I disagree, we're horrendous. Notice this is concerning the big games only. So against teams like Spurs, Liverpool and City we can't pass out from the back. In some of these games in the past we basically by-passed midfield by thumping it up to our striker. We did that against Liverpool earlier this season. We did the same against Spurs. We could barely string passes together  from the back against City in both games. Last season was the same as well. We made a comedy of errors trying to pass from the back in our 3-1 win at the Etihad. 

We are a bit better under Conte than Mourinho because he at least considers that aspect of the game. It's just that like Mourinho he does a terrible job at it against equally skilled teams when it actually matters the most. 

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