The English Football Thread

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4 hours ago, communicate said:

Fabregas is definitely better passer but pogba trump him in almost any other category as attacking cm. Pogba has Excellent long shot, can hold the ball, can dribble past player,and plus he has height and athleticism. 

Defensively they are about the same Fabregas is actually pretty good in term of positioning but that doesn't matter if you are that slow, you will always struggle to cover ground. Pogba on the other hand simply does not play with enough concentration to be a good defensively. 

I wouldnt swap 1 hair of Fab to 10 Pogba's.....just an average player that somehow has that WC tag on him. He only has to pass the ball or score a goal and the wank begins. Overrated as fuck is what he is.

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WHat the fuck has happened with punishing divers? Where are yellow cards? Retroepective bans? Media outrage? What a bent league this has become

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20 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

WHat the fuck has happened with punishing divers? Where are yellow cards? Retroepective bans? Media outrage? What a bent league this has become

at the same time blatant WWE excurses like frankenstein's on Azpi go unpunished. English football and football in general is sadly going down the drain. european super league will be the final nail in the coffin.

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1 hour ago, Magic Lamps said:

at the same time blatant WWE excurses like frankenstein's on Azpi go unpunished. English football and football in general is sadly going down the drain. european super league will be the final nail in the coffin.

Exactly why its bent, their darlings get goodies so often yet other teams suffer, I dont care whom is the ref, the rules are the same yet the outcome is different every bloody time.

[guddy69 174]

Chelsea youth Cup final.. Bt sport 7.30.    :0)

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I wont be back to a full post, out at a party

and it is already nil 2 to Leicester

but here is a link to the Leeds/Leicester game

http://www.sportnews.to/sports/2020/premier-league-leeds-united-vs-leicester-city-s1/

 

cheers

[guddy69 174]

Lovely dive.. No card. 

[Jase 43,479]

Having European football doesn't seem to be hindering Leicester in the league...

[communicate 2,703]

14 hours ago, Jason said:

The younger Fabregas would like to have a word with you...

Think you're underestimating Fabregas' qualities, especially over the course of his career. When he was younger, he certainly was someone who could bomb forward, dribble past players, score goals, be decisive etc on top of his excellent passing range.

And the thing or problem with Pogba is we can talk about him having quality X, Y, Z but what he doesn't have is the winning mentality, the determination and consistency to succeed and win (Fabregas certainly has that mindset). He's 27 years old now, should be in his peak or entering his best years but what has he done for United? Practically nothing for someone that is being lauded as (supposedly) one of the best midfielders around. When people talk that about Pogba these days, I feel like they are talking about the Pogba at Juventus as opposed to the one at Man United and he left Juventus 4 years ago. 

The younger Fabregas never won epl. The one that we had has lost most of his speed. 

I personally think Pogba is still one of the best midfielder around. But like most player, it is about team system and player around you. 

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1 hour ago, communicate said:

The younger Fabregas never won epl. The one that we had has lost most of his speed. 

So? Has the current Pogba won a Premier League? 

1 hour ago, communicate said:

I personally think Pogba is still one of the best midfielder around.

But doesn't play like one. There really is no point in having quality X, Y, Z if the player doesn't have the mentality to succeed and perform consistently week in week out. Having quality is one thing but having the right mentality is what separates the best from the average ones. 

1 hour ago, communicate said:

But like most player, it is about team system and player around you. 

That's a bit of a cheap cop-out. If the player is performing to his absolute best but the team around him is failing, then sure but that's not the case with Pogba, is it? He has been at Man United for 4 years, played under 3 different managers but has not been consistent at all for someone of his status. And it's not like he has been played out of position - like on the flanks for example - either. 

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3 hours ago, communicate said:

I personally think Pogba is still one of the best midfielder around

He really isnt my friend, he has been in manc land for 5 years, what has he done? Its only because he is udt player that he doesnt get ripped to pieces every week, he has to be the most failed transfer in recent memory, 89m and we have seen nothing.

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Giggs now knocking his girlfriend about. Vile person

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1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Giggs now knocking his girlfriend about. Vile person

he is pure vermin

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ryan-giggs-arrested-suspicion-assaulting-22947678

The former Man United player, 46, was allegedly arrested on suspicion of assaulting his girlfriend of three years Kate Greville, it was claimed last night.

but

a year ago

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/10409421/ryan-giggs-girlfriend-picture-helen-stelling-holt/

MANCHESTER United legend Ryan Giggs is snapped enjoying a “hump day” alongside his new DJ girlfriend in the first picture of the couple.

Wales boss Ryan, 45, was photographed smiling next to Helen Stelling Holt, 30, during a night out with former team-mates Nicky Butt and Lee Sharpe.

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10 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Giggs now knocking his girlfriend about. Vile person

Absolute filth, imagine it was JT, I mean fuck he would have been banned from UK. But this lovely fella named Giggs shags his brothers wife, makes threats that he will sue anyone talking about it on social media, beats his lady up and I have seen no media outrage.....Eng media can go spit. Infact he is closer to getting sports personality of the year award....fucking coward of a cunt.

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DEMBA, BAH! The Fiver is acutely aware that we’ve been yammering on a bit too much recently about Manchester United and Ole Gunnar Solskjær and Frank O’Farrell and Herbert Bamlett’s 12 defeats in a row in 1930 and all that. Sorry. But just look! What can you do? Ten players in the attacking third, your £80m central defender at the far post waiting for a ball from a £50m right-back who can’t cross, your left-back on the right-hand corner of Istanbul Basaksehir’s six-yard box, and your last man, who at the best of times moves around the pitch with the speed, power and athletic grace of Withnail, loitering 20 yards inside the opponents’ half. Just look!

'You don't see those goals at this level': Solskjær reflects on defensive disaster Read more

Hats off to Ole, though, because nobody ever thought it possible to make Kevin Keegan look like the freak result of an overly ambitious genetic experiment utilising the genes of Karl Rappan, Helenio Herrera and Otto Rehhagel. But he’s managed it. Nobody thought Demba Ba would ever score a funnier, more gut-clenching and trouser-bothering goal than the one involving $tevie Mbe, either, but here we are in the laundrette again. It’s one hell of an achievement. “It is my responsibility,” Ole says, perhaps unwisely drawing attention to himself during a week which has seen Mauricio Pochettino popping up on telly. Former captain Rio Ferdinand was also on the box, telling the tens who regularly tune in to BT Sport that such was the absurdity of the lapse, it should lead to fisticuffs in the dressing room, preferably instigated by the manager. We paraphrase, but only slightly, we’re really not using much artistic licence here. Asked whether United’s abysmal form might cost him the gig, Solskjær declined to comment. “You have to stay strong. I’m employed to do a job by the club and I do it to the best of my ability.” Again, given the circumstances, not the smartest choice of words, and unless his team showcase a coherent strategy against Everton this Saturday, finally, at the 102nd time of asking, he could be out the door. Should the worst happen, he’d become the first United manager to leave without any silverware whatsoever since the aforementioned O’Farrell. The oft-referenced Bamlett didn’t win anything either. Apologies yet again, but what can you do?

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What do Southampton do without Danny Ings?

https://theathletic.com/2179153/2020/11/04/danny-ings-walcott-obafemi-long-southampton/

There was a sense of relief behind the scenes at Southampton on Sunday night.

Danny Ings, who went down under a challenge from Aston Villa’s Trezeguet earlier that day, had been for a scan on his knee and the initial results were positive. This certainly settled the nerves that were present hours before.

Southampton manager Ralph Hasenhuttl said after the match that, when Ings went down, he could hear screams of, “my knee, my knee”. For anyone that doesn’t know, the England international has previously ruptured both anterior cruciate ligaments (ACL). Everyone was right to be concerned.

The Athletic is led to believe Ings himself was extremely worried in the dressing room after the match but with Southampton confirming on Monday morning that the scan results were “favourable”, it looked as though the 28-year-old had dodged a bullet.

Only, that wasn’t the case.

A light jogging session at Staplewood on Tuesday led to Ings’ knee becoming swollen, while also causing him a level of discomfort at the same time. Because of this, the left knee was looked at again.

This time, though, the news wasn’t so good. There was an issue with his meniscus and it was decided minor surgery was the safest way forward. Because of this, he now faces four to six weeks out of the team.

The Athletic understands that, heading into their day off on Tuesday, the striker’s team-mates had thought Ings’ injury was a minor complaint, only to discover the full severity of the problem when Hasenhuttl confirmed that the player would require surgery in a press conference on Wednesday.

You cannot overstate just how devastating this is for Ings, Hasenhuttl, Southampton supporters and the dressing room. Everything that Southampton do well is geared around the talismanic striker.

Take the relentless pressing, for example — Ings leads it from the front. He will put the team’s success over his own in that sense. It’s hard to picture other successful strikers willing to sap their energy levels this way.

What you put into something is said to be what you get out of it, so it shouldn’t come as a surprise that his gargantuan efforts are rewarded with goals. Last season saw him score 25 times in 42 appearances. He’s already scored on five occasions in seven Premier League games this campaign.

This begs the question of who will fill the almost irreplaceable void vacated to partner Che Adams in Southampton’s attack.

Theo Walcott would appear to be the logical choice. He started the games against Chelsea and Aston Villa, and also has experience of playing as a striker for Arsenal. Hasenhuttl has already praised the club’s former academy star’s work against the ball but wants him to improve on it.

You have to go back to the 2016-17 season for the last time Walcott managed to score 10 Premier League goals in a single season. In the following three campaigns, he’s totalled 10 top-flight goals.

With this in mind, it would appear Adams is going to have to step up and show he can be successful without Ings by his side.

The duo have built a brilliant relationship but it’s time for last year’s £15 million signing to lead the charge and continue his streak in front of goal. Adams has netted six times in the last 13 Premier League games.

Shane Long and Michael Obafemi could also provide cover for Ings, although that would seem unlikely given their lack of game time. It also looks too early for 21-year-old Dan N’Lundulu to step into the shoes of Southampton’s most important player.

Everyone should rightly be concerned about what Southampton look like without Ings but one positive from the situation is that the upcoming international break could not have fallen at a better time.

If he’s out for the full six weeks, then two of those will be at a time when Southampton aren’t playing. This could see the England man only miss a handful of matches. With this in mind, it’s better for the surgery to go ahead now as opposed to a busier time of the year.

Although his absence will be felt inside the dressing room, where he is a popular figure, others have already started to share some of the goalscoring burden normally carried on Ings’ shoulders.

Last season, Ings scored 43.1 per cent of Southampton’s Premier League goals. The current campaign, while still in its infancy, has seen that figure drop to 35.7 per cent.

In total, Southampton have scored 14 times this season and it’s clear to see how they are being spread out across the pitch. James Ward-Prowse has three goals, defender Jannik Vestergaard and striker Adams have two, and Moussa Djenepo and Oriol Romeu have one.

Losing Ings is a blow but Hasenhuttl isn’t going to allow it to linger for too long. He will accept it and move on, no matter how devastating a setback it could turn out to be.

The Austrian isn’t going to change the way he sets his team up, so it’s now down to the players to ensure Ings isn’t missed too much.

[Laylabelle 9,754]

Suddenly our draw against Southampton doesn't look as surprising as it did at the time..they're on a roll atm

[Jase 43,479]

10 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

Suddenly our draw against Southampton doesn't look as surprising as it did at the time..they're on a roll atm

Still unacceptable given we were 2-0 up in that match and we gave them stupid goals...

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2020-21 English Premier League

Everton                      
Manchester United   

http://www.sportnews.to/sports/2020/premier-league-everton-vs-manchester-united-s1/

https://www.totalsportek.com/man-utds/