Nathaniel Chalobah

[Madmax 9,219]

Yes, the club has been far from perfect in deciding his loans, but he is not a blameless victim in the stagnation of his career. In the end it's all down to him.

How can you make the jump from 'he's not blameless' (which is reasonable) to 'it's all down to him' (which is not)? You speak about working hard and taking the chances offered ... well, he did that already. It was then up to us to take cognizance of that and trust him to make the step up here, even if the integration took place in installments.

This is Mourinho speaking at the beginning of last season - " He could be in our squad already. But we think one more season and it will be his last one out on loan." (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/8836629/jose-mourinho-to-send-chelsea-teenager-nathaniel-chalobah-out-on-loan).He was ready. Chelsea knew it. But they failed to take the initiative, farmed him out one more time and surprise, surprise - the vagaries of the loan system struck. You can put it down to any number of things and speculate all you want about what's going on behind the scenes, but they all arise due to the basic reluctance on Chelsea's part to take him in when he was on the crest of a wave.

Also, he did not choose Boro. Apparently, Mourinho 'told' him he was going there .

[Rom2013 446]

Should we buy every player at the age of 18 that playes OK for any team like Watford? Or are just our players that are really good at that age?

This one failed until now and has no chance toi play for Chelsea (the same case for Kalas and others... you can't play for shit teams, you won't play for Chelsea and almost for sure you won't have an opportunity).

This will happen for manyu players that are in the club right now. Almost every player, and many that today fans think they are increadible. They are not, maybe with exception of Boga.

[killer1257 3,282]

Should we buy every player at the age of 18 that playes OK for any team like Watford? Or are just our players that are really good at that age?

This one failed until now and has no chance toi play for Chelsea (the same case for Kalas and others... you can't play for shit teams, you won't play for Chelsea and almost for sure you won't have an opportunity).

This will happen for manyu players that are in the club right now. Almost every player, and many that today fans think they are increadible. They are not, maybe with exception of Boga.

You know how hard it is to go to a different country to play as a centre back without knowing any german word?

Communication between centre backs during a match is crucial and it is obvious that FC Köln will play 2 german speaking centre backs because they can understand each other during a match.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

How can you make the jump from 'he's not blameless' (which is reasonable) to 'it's all down to him' (which is not)? You speak about working hard and taking the chances offered ... well, he did that already. It was then up to us to take cognizance of that and trust him to make the step up here, even if the integration took place in installments.

This is Mourinho speaking at the beginning of last season - " He could be in our squad already. But we think one more season and it will be his last one out on loan." (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/8836629/jose-mourinho-to-send-chelsea-teenager-nathaniel-chalobah-out-on-loan).He was ready. Chelsea knew it. But they failed to take the initiative, farmed him out one more time and surprise, surprise - the vagaries of the loan system struck. You can put it down to any number of things and speculate all you want about what's going on behind the scenes, but they all arise due to the basic reluctance on Chelsea's part to take him in when he was on the crest of a wave.

Also, he did not choose Boro. Apparently, Mourinho 'told' him he was going there .

"All down to him" was the wrong expression there, but what I meant is that it matters more what he does than what the club does. He's been going to clubs where he's not far from the quality of the XI, so it's up to him to make his football count.

"He was ready". Not really. I don't think he was nearly ready at the start of last season and that has been more than proven right in the past season and a half. If he were really ready at the time he would have taken the championship by storm or at least become a regular for Burnley.

Very easy to throw the blame on the club rather than the lack determination and quality (yet) of the player himself.

[Madmax 9,219]

"He was ready". Not really. I don't think he was nearly ready at the start of last season and that has been more than proven right in the past season and a half. If he were really ready at the time he would have taken the championship by storm or at least become a regular for Burnley.

Well Mourinho certainly thought he was ready, so what you or I feel is moot.

Anyway this'll just keep going around in circles like the Mourinho thread so let's end it here.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Well Mourinho certainly thought he was ready, so what you or I feel is moot.

Anyway this'll just keep going around in circles like the Mourinho thread so let's end it here.

No, what matter is what actually happened and we all saw not what was said a year and half ago. Jose said he was ready which is very different from thinking he was ready which in retrospective he obviously was not.

[Madmax 9,219]

No, what matter is what actually happened and we all saw not what was said a year and half ago. Jose said he was ready which is very different from thinking he was ready which in retrospective he obviously was not.

So you're saying Mourinho lied through his teeth? Okay then.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

So you're saying Mourinho lied through his teeth? Okay then.

You're saying it's news to you that he lies?

[OneMoSalah 8,785]

Hes a good player but I can't believe Jose thought he'd be ready after one season on loan last year.

Hes not at Chelsea quality yet and he still needs another loan spell where he will play at least 60 or 70% of the games as opposed to sitting on the bench at a club that will get relegated then needs to have his situation re-evaluated again. I'd rather have seen him playing at a club like Watford again or Reading or Cardiff - someone who's challenging for promotion or even just a mid table club as opposed to trying to avoid relegation in the PL which usually prompts managers to go for more experienced players.

[Madmax 9,219]

You're saying it's news to you that he lies?

Call me naive but I honestly lapped it up whenever he talked about the youth. Once bitten, twice shy now though.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Call me naive but I honestly lapped it up whenever he talked about the youth. Once bitten, twice shy now though.

Naive

[Jase 43,479]

http://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/news/article/chalobah-returns-to-chelsea-2178081.aspx

Burnley have ended Chalobah's loan. He's now back at the club.

[Dy-lan 142]

What a terrible loan that turned out to be :/

[Spike 12,049]

Sigh. Hope the ball isn't dropped with RLC.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Are we keeping him here this time?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Are we keeping him here this time?

Doubt it, with Ake around. Championship loan, most probably.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Doubt it, with Ake around. Championship loan, most probably.

I'd rather foreign first division but I suppose he'll get most time at a team like Boro.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I'd rather foreign first division but I suppose he'll get most time at a team like Boro.

Think he's more suited to English football than somewhere like Netherlands or Germany.