Welcome Mauricio Pochettino

[Vegetable 830]

  On 24/12/2023 at 19:05, OneMoSalah said:

Poch has to go soon for me as results and performances are poor and then come the summer, the footballing director lads need to go as well. If they don’t go we will never get back to any sort of respectable positions. 

Those 2 should not be trusted with a project of this scale and level EVER again - they have singlehandedly set this club back at least 5 years with the flooding of “talented youngsters” they’ve recruited because it will take a long time for some of these guys to become serious players whilst also neglecting top class signings for key positions 2 windows in a row. 

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Boehly was criticized for micromanaging the club without proper structure, but the structure he installed still prioritizes what owners fancy before what they should do. DOF only works within the frame of infamous vision that isn't his own and that's how we come to funny conclusion - ever since the takeover, we are hitting our heads straight into the wall, because this club is dead fixed on owner's quite uniqe VISION, that however has zero backing in data, history and experience that it has any chance to have any sort of successful outcome on this level. And they refuse to do any reality check on it for like 10 years.

Club's strategy usually comes mostly from footballing staff, not solely the owners. Can't believe experienced people yes-manned Boehly and co with "yeah sure dudes, bold move but it will 100% work, genius" 

Edited December 24, 2023 by Vegetable

[robsblubot 3,595]

Surprised this thread is active today. Thought we had player performing WAY WAY below even PL standards against Wolves.

I mean players having trouble controlling the football is not something that should have to be taught or develop at this level.

[Blue Armour 4,355]

  On 24/12/2023 at 18:40, TheHulk said:

There was a time where everyone was curious in knowing what would Poch do at another PL team with bigger funds, least we can put that mystery to bed, guy is absolute shit.

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Potter was the guy who definitely was shit.

Because he had a top 3 squad that he ended up dragging towards relegation.

Then Boehly and co., came and did all the rest.

Completed the demolition. 

 

[Blue Armour 4,355]

I don't want Poch out. Not because I'm a Poch fan.

It's that I don't trust the people above him to make the right appointment.

For all you know, they would bring in someone like Bob Bradley to come in and take over Chelsea.

Edited December 25, 2023 by Blue Armour

[Thor 2,476]

  On 25/12/2023 at 00:53, Blue Armour said:

I don't want Poch out. Not because I'm a Poch fan.

It's that I don't trust the people above him to make the right appointment.

For all you know, they would bring in someone like Bob Bradley to come in and take over Chelsea.

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For me it is due to some continuity for young players. 

You can't just keep changing and expect players to buy in as well. I think we need to get to a certain level with Poch then you can give him the flick. But - I think a lot of players being disgruntled will come with continuous sacking of managers. 

A lot of our defeats are down to Poch - not playing players in position and doing BS. Like mate, we are not winning the league, playing in Europe and can afford to rest players. We need some consistency. 

He literally puts on the team that needs to be in the game at the start, to chase, over extend themselves and make rash decisions. You're never going to get a proper judge on players then. 

How hard is it to field Gusto, Silva, Badi and Maatsen as the backline? It should be the only choice, yet... never done. 

He keeps playing the same players out of position, losing, and for what? With a fully fit team - we aren't fielding this team - so why do it now consistently and expect different results?

[Blue Armour 4,355]

  On 25/12/2023 at 01:23, Thor said:

For me it is due to some continuity for young players. 

You can't just keep changing and expect players to buy in as well. I think we need to get to a certain level with Poch then you can give him the flick. But - I think a lot of players being disgruntled will come with continuous sacking of managers. 

A lot of our defeats are down to Poch - not playing players in position and doing BS. Like mate, we are not winning the league, playing in Europe and can afford to rest players. We need some consistency. 

He literally puts on the team that needs to be in the game at the start, to chase, over extend themselves and make rash decisions. You're never going to get a proper judge on players then. 

How hard is it to field Gusto, Silva, Badi and Maatsen as the backline? It should be the only choice, yet... never done. 

He keeps playing the same players out of position, losing, and for what? With a fully fit team - we aren't fielding this team - so why do it now consistently and expect different results?

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Poch's over conservative approach in the past few weeks has become an annoyance.

I'm still annoyed at the fact that he didn't give Nkunku his first few minutes this season by bringing him on against Sheffield United. It would have been an easy, done and dusted game for him to really advance his match fitness. But at least he is off the mark, so that's a start.

Instead he's trying to be 'fair' with Broja, and is shoe-horning him into playing upfront with Jackson. That., and the 4 CB formation is really grating to watch. I don't understand his hesitancy in playing Maatsen. Is it because the kid is on his way out? Not sure. 

The lack of depth in central midfield is not down to him though. We have absolute novices (talented as some of them maybe) controlling the most important part of the pitch. Even if he were to bring on Lavia, that would be another match-fitness lacking teenager. The CM situation is down to our recruitment policy. We were too quick to get rid of experienced CMs and turn to next gen talent. 

I bet if if we even had one of Kovacic or Kante playing in midfield today, under Poch, we would be a lot further up the table.

The novice midfield is why our game management is poor. And why easy wins turn into draws/defeats. 

Edited December 25, 2023 by Blue Armour

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I don't see the club changing manager. Not when the noises have been that "We are two windows into a 4-window strategy".

Poch stays until Feb/March at least unless form really nosedives 

[Strike 7,311]

  On 25/12/2023 at 02:26, Blue Armour said:

Poch's over conservative approach in the past few weeks has become an annoyance.

I'm still annoyed at the fact that he didn't give Nkunku his first few minutes this season by bringing him on against Sheffield United. It would have been an easy, done and dusted game for him to really advance his match fitness. But at least he is off the mark, so that's a start.

Instead he's trying to be 'fair' with Broja, and is shoe-horning him into playing upfront with Jackson. That., and the 4 CB formation is really grating to watch. I don't understand his hesitancy in playing Maatsen. Is it because the kid is on his way out? Not sure. 

The lack of depth in central midfield is not down to him though. We have absolute novices (talented as some of them maybe) controlling the most important part of the pitch. Even if he were to bring on Lavia, that would be another match-fitness lacking teenager. The CM situation is down to our recruitment policy. We were too quick to get rid of experienced CMs and turn to next gen talent. 

I bet if if we even had one of Kovacic or Kante playing in midfield today, under Poch, we would be a lot further up the table.

The novice midfield is why our game management is poor. And why easy wins turn into draws/defeats. 

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Re: Maatsen. Whenever I have paid attention to him, he's looked disastrous. Outmuscled easily off the ball. I can understand why they've been reluctant to field Maatsen. 

Actually when the club was selling the senior players - Kova, Kante, Kai, Mount - I don't think there was any support for keeping them at the club. But now they've collectively gone, we are recognising just how much experience has left this squad. 

People like Jackson getting 8 yellow cards, Palmer and Sterling getting suspended together, just a complete lack of control on match-day. It took Wolves one adjustment after around 20 mins to shut down our attacking routes. 

[Bluepower777 17]

Potchetino says not much more can be done with this group of young players?       How about changing your training methods? Your team selections? Your tactics?

[Bluepower777 17]

Even if Potch is sacked whose going to come in and change our fortunes? I don't see anyone.

[Bluepower777 17]

I don't expect us to do much this season but we need to be proactive to ensure next season is a success. Plus there's always the possibility we could get drawn into a relegation battle.

[gdlk 274]

Theres a manager doing miracles with also young players in Bundesliga.. Making record after record... 

And according to him its easier to make a good collective team from young players than proven starts.. 

Poch is done, he failed miserable in maybe best PSG team, and he was appointed here because hes the next yes man coach.. But as we see he doeant have clue how to make this team playing like a team, not rellying on individual skills of players. 

[Magic Lamps 11,677]

  On 25/12/2023 at 14:57, gdlk said:

Theres a manager doing miracles with also young players in Bundesliga.. Making record after record... 

And according to him its easier to make a good collective team from young players than proven starts.. 

Poch is done, he failed miserable in maybe best PSG team, and he was appointed here because hes the next yes man coach.. But as we see he doeant have clue how to make this team playing like a team, not rellying on individual skills of players. 

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Alonso will never come here. He will probably take over Real Madrid in summer. 
Our Problem is that boehly s antics have tarnished the clubs reputation so much that the quick fix policies from the Roman era (buying a ready made world class player or hiring a wc manager) are not available anymore 

[TheHulk 2,006]

  On 25/12/2023 at 01:23, Thor said:

For me it is due to some continuity for young players. 

You can't just keep changing and expect players to buy in as well. I think we need to get to a certain level with Poch then you can give him the flick. But - I think a lot of players being disgruntled will come with continuous sacking of managers. 

A lot of our defeats are down to Poch - not playing players in position and doing BS. Like mate, we are not winning the league, playing in Europe and can afford to rest players. We need some consistency. 

He literally puts on the team that needs to be in the game at the start, to chase, over extend themselves and make rash decisions. You're never going to get a proper judge on players then. 

How hard is it to field Gusto, Silva, Badi and Maatsen as the backline? It should be the only choice, yet... never done. 

He keeps playing the same players out of position, losing, and for what? With a fully fit team - we aren't fielding this team - so why do it now consistently and expect different results?

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Makes me so angry how he is wasting Colwill career away by putting him on the left, he should be at the age where he starts holding down that CB position. I bet Colwill regrets extending that contract right now. 

[Thor 2,476]

  On 25/12/2023 at 19:59, TheHulk said:

Makes me so angry how he is wasting Colwill career away by putting him on the left, he should be at the age where he starts holding down that CB position. I bet Colwill regrets extending that contract right now. 

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Not only that - but he isn't great as a LB. We leak goals when he plays there. We look good with him at CB. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

This squad really only good enough to be 6 points near relegation? 

[TheHulk 2,006]

  On 26/12/2023 at 17:55, MoroccanBlue said:

This squad really only good enough to be 6 points near relegation? 

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It's obviously better than this but most have already directed all attention to the owners and ignoring Poch subpar coaching.

[robsblubot 3,595]

For the record, I think Poch gets far more rights than wrongs and I think he's 100% correct in being conservative with the shitty roster he's been given. This roster is not elite PL regardless of manager quality or style.

Grass is always greener and switching the manager is always the "magical solution" for every problem at the club.

Edited December 26, 2023 by robsblubot