Welcome Mauricio Pochettino

[milka 3,393]

Every good result win,  even draw we have this season is overhyping ,masking the truth .2 years are enough with experiments this  failure project .

Players with no football brain Jackson , Madueke , Mudryk not a Chelsea level ,  Enzo , Caicedo overhyping after every good game they have . They don't  care , they have the money anyway with 5+ years contract they don't have to earn these money ,no matter they are average .  Hazard , Pedro , Willian , Fabregas , Kante where is that level at the club  nowhere near anymore .

Manager . Mid mentality someone  need to tell him he is not at spursy to speak about  that our reality is mid table . Fuck off Bottlechino .

Managment . They don't give a shit about fans ,culture ,result they are not here to winning on the pitch anyway they are  here to make moneyball , bisuness . We have standarts set by Abramovich the most successful club in that period and i will not lower my expectation  because these clowns are here to make money . Get out go back to USA to NFL wrongers   Tod Lasso Boehly .

 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2024 by milka

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Poch will unfortunately be the one who gets most of the blame, as hes the manager, but these owners have killed the club. Killed it. Completely. 

[Chuckso 17]

4 hours ago, ulvhedin said:

There are talks about Poch tactics, attacking patterns (or lack of them), but my question is - why do we so often look so poorly prepared in terms of fitness? Yesterday in overtime we were dying, vs City, vs Villa in cup, vs Luton, we are not playing any crazy pressing, we have no europe cups, we should be better prepared than this.

You have touched on an interesting point I have considered to an extent. Even though I cannot rate the level of fitness either being excellent, fair or poor, what I have seen is that you cover LESS ground - as such conserve fitness - by pressing. If you work a little harder to remain relatively close to your opponent to deny him time and space by pressing, it is better than letting the opponent get control of the ball, turn and start running at you or you trying a recovery run…

 

This has been the most important reason why Poch’s team has been failing - why we were outplayed by a bunch of kids - is we allow the opponents to play by our lack of intensity and pressing while they do not let us play because they press. My previous game analysis posts always highlights this. He has not organized a top class press ALL SEASON. It / He is a joke. 

[ulvhedin 526]

16 minutes ago, Chuckso said:

You have touched on an interesting point I have considered to an extent. Even though I cannot rate the level of fitness either being excellent, fair or poor, what I have seen is that you cover LESS ground - as such conserve fitness - by pressing. If you work a little harder to remain relatively close to your opponent to deny him time and space by pressing, it is better than letting the opponent get control of the ball, turn and start running at you or you trying a recovery run…

 

This has been the most important reason why Poch’s team has been failing - why we were outplayed by a bunch of kids - is we allow the opponents to play by our lack of intensity and pressing while they do not let us play because they press. My previous game analysis posts always highlights this. He has not organized a top class press ALL SEASON. It / He is a joke. 

Yeah, we have seen many times yesterday our 'two-man' press, just to be bypassed easily because rest of the team was so far away. And there were many isntances were players were arguing with each other after unsuccesfull press atemp.

[lucio 5,418]

Any talk of him getting the sack ?

[Blue Armour 4,443]

2 hours ago, lucio said:

Any talk of him getting the sack ?

IMO, very unlikely to happen this season because of FFP reasons., not unless the team pushes towards the relegation zone.

This season is done and dusted in my view. An 8th to 10th place league finish., plus whatever bonus we get from the FA cup.

 

[robsblubot 3,595]

6 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

That's what happens when you don't have any experienced players (other than Thiago Silva) to set standards in training

You think the fitness would have been this bad if Jorginho, Kante, Azpi and others were still around the first team squad? 

It's that and the simple fact most of the players in the squad are not at their peak -- too young.

When folks talk about a footballer's peak at around age 26 (depends on position) that evidently includes a good balance across the board, with better stamina and resistance.

So, who's the next B-list manager we will go after? 🤔

[lucio 5,418]

 

Get him out 

[Vegetable 830]

I envy our owners burning hundreds of millions like it was Monopoly money, that's one thing.

Second thing is: The outcome of super-duper detailed, careful and high-tech, 0% chance miss-process, that trashed high-profile managers and led to Poch appointment is apparently a trainwreck, what could be pretty easily foreseen by most of sane people, without employing the board with million+ salaries and cutting edge data analysis. Are we even serious anymore?

Not even mentioning it's pretty much a replay of Potter situation (muh data bro). Zero lessons learnt. I respect the idea of employing ideas and strategies from other sports into football, but it doesn't work for shit and even if we look at it as a multi-year project, it doesn't bare any signs of positive outcome potential. Just cut the losses already.

Edited February 26, 2024 by Vegetable

[robsblubot 3,595]

37 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

I envy our owners burning hundreds of millions like it was Monopoly money, that's one thing.

Second thing is: The outcome of super-duper detailed, careful and high-tech, 0% chance miss-process, that trashed high-profile managers and led to Poch appointment is apparently a trainwreck, what could be pretty easily foreseen by most of sane people, without employing the board with million+ salaries and cutting edge data analysis. Are we even serious anymore?

Not even mentioning it's pretty much a replay of Potter situation (muh data bro). Zero lessons learnt. I respect the idea of employing ideas and strategies from other sports into football, but it doesn't work for shit and even if we look at it as a multi-year project, it doesn't bare any signs of positive outcome potential. Just cut the losses already.

👍

I also envy folks here who believe we are in a "normal" situation: quality group of players being held back by a less than optimal manager and that a mere swap, apparently with another B-lister, would significantly improve our game.
I look at the players on the pitch and have no idea where this improvement will come from.

[Vegetable 830]

23 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

I look at the players on the pitch and have no idea where this improvement will come from.

Perhaps it belongs more to The Board thread, but yeah, the idea of relying on all the recruited staff (players/coaches/sporting department) to suddenly massively overperform after big-money move here just because they had shown a minimal bit of potential, way below of what we need, elsewhere as reliable tactic to build top-level club is something I still can't understand, yet the Board seem to be all in for it, despite the returns are rather grim so far.

When was the last time such thing actually occurred? Mendy perhaps, for a while?

Edited February 26, 2024 by Vegetable

[Blue Armour 4,443]

4 hours ago, robsblubot said:

👍

I also envy folks here who believe we are in a "normal" situation: quality group of players being held back by a less than optimal manager and that a mere swap, apparently with another B-lister, would significantly improve our game.
I look at the players on the pitch and have no idea where this improvement will come from.

All this stuff about removing Pochettino and expecting the team to become top4 quality is premature 

Younes sums it up well here.

Poch is only a PART of the problem. The squad changes and the behind the scenes administrative changes have crippled the club.

 

[robsblubot 3,595]

2 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

All this stuff about removing Pochettino and expecting the team to become top4 quality is premature 

Younes sums it up well here.

Poch is only a PART of the problem. The squad changes and the behind the scenes administrative changes have crippled the club.

 

Thank you for the link. Great points and I agree with almost everything he says esp about what the owners are going for.

i think he is missing a couple of things tho:

1. Footballers at their peak also mean physical peak. There is also physical prowess which isn’t just stamina/resistance (outmuscling or outrunning someone). Virgil did not seem tired at all by the end of extra time and neither did Diaz or Endo. Their kids played for a short time for a reason.

2. I’m not sure we man-mark on set pieces some manager hate that, some do a mix. Virgil made 2 great runs to score — he wasn’t standing still. The first his marker, chilwell (mismatch for sure) was blocked by the Liverpool player (Endo) hence the offside call. The second disasi, I think got blocked by mudryk who is clueless defending Tbf. So, chilwell was the cover.

point being that it is very hard to know how much was entirely on poch vs the players failing to execute simple tasks. It’s easier to think that both players and manager felt short of the task. At least that’s the way I think.

I don’t personally pay much attention to what managers say esp after a loss. The job demands making up shit to feed to the press.

his point of academy kids vs overpaid kids brought from somewhere else sounded familiar. Like someone here may have written that we were paying millions for literal nobodies early this season eh.

 

Edited February 27, 2024 by robsblubot

[Reddish-Blue 2,509]

10 hours ago, robsblubot said:

I look at the players on the pitch and have no idea where this improvement will come from.

There is definitely room for improvement and that starts with the basics. 

• Use players in their best position (i.e. don't play a young CB at LB just to give him game time, if he's good enough, blood him in as a CB)
• Figure out the best midfield moving forward (really is a shame that Lavia could barely play 3 games all season, he's the one with the passing ability we lack)
• Huge question marks over our attack (did we really expect Mudryk and Madueke to get 10-15 goals this season?   What's Sterlings role?   Jackson looked better in 2 games on the left flank than most of the season as striker.....and is Nkunku ever going to be fit for 10+ games in a row or is that the reason why Leipzig sold him, knowing that he was injury prone?)

5 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

All this stuff about removing Pochettino and expecting the team to become top4 quality is premature 

Top 4 is dreamland at this stage but we really shouldn't be down in 10th/11th place either.   You can't tell me that the current squad is any worse than United/Brighton (based on current league table).  The difference is United have enough quality to take those 50/50 chances from guys like Rashford, Bruno, that Haaland-lite striker they got and then they have two game changing youngsters in Garnacho & Mainoo. 

 

[Mhsc 1,097]

Quote

Grealish is not the first player to find himself in and out of Guardiola's team, such are the demands the former Barcelona and Bayern Munich coach places on his players.

And the England international has been warned he will not be given time to ease himself back into the City side.

"I cannot give players three or four games to get their rhythm," added Guardiola. "They have to find the rhythm to play for 20 minutes or 90.

"At a high level, the team don't wait to be fit. You cannot give someone three or four games to be fit. What about the 10 who don't play? They deserve not to play?

"You have to see the training sessions and all the small details. The players don't have to convince me. They have to convince themselves that they deserve to play."

Guardiola quote on Grealish and his mentality on letting players play their way back into form. Really highlighted to me by comparison how miles off we are from being a top side again.

[Laylabelle 9,535]

1 hour ago, Reddish-Blue said:

There is definitely room for improvement and that starts with the basics. 

• Use players in their best position (i.e. don't play a young CB at LB just to give him game time, if he's good enough, blood him in as a CB)
• Figure out the best midfield moving forward (really is a shame that Lavia could barely play 3 games all season, he's the one with the passing ability we lack)
• Huge question marks over our attack (did we really expect Mudryk and Madueke to get 10-15 goals this season?   What's Sterlings role?   Jackson looked better in 2 games on the left flank than most of the season as striker.....and is Nkunku ever going to be fit for 10+ games in a row or is that the reason why Leipzig sold him, knowing that he was injury prone?)

Top 4 is dreamland at this stage but we really shouldn't be down in 10th/11th place either.   You can't tell me that the current squad is any worse than United/Brighton (based on current league table).  The difference is United have enough quality to take those 50/50 chances from guys like Rashford, Bruno, that Haaland-lite striker they got and then they have two game changing youngsters in Garnacho & Mainoo. 

 

Didn't realise how far behind Brighton we are now..knew far behind Man U...2 behind 10th place now not even that anymore.

Exactly and the way they just go for it as well. A lot of the time our play is either pass pass pass pass pass pass backwards or sod all or just stroll around a lot

[lucio 5,418]

Rúben Amorim - High pressing 343. Get a striker and left wing back and it’d be much better than this directionless shite we see.

james can be rcb, gusto rwb, 

3 at the back suits us better tbh , we don’t have the raw quality to go 433/4231

[Fernando 6,585]

3 hours ago, lucio said:

Rúben Amorim - High pressing 343. Get a striker and left wing back and it’d be much better than this directionless shite we see.

james can be rcb, gusto rwb, 

3 at the back suits us better tbh , we don’t have the raw quality to go 433/4231

Ruben reminds me of AVB. 

Don't put my hope on him. 

We should just continue with Poch and improve the team. Board is fault for many buys. Disasi, Fofana, Mudryk and such. 

[lucio 5,418]

11 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Ruben reminds me of AVB. 

Don't put my hope on him. 

We should just continue with Poch and improve the team. Board is fault for many buys. Disasi, Fofana, Mudryk and such. 

Poch isn’t and will never be PL / CL winning standard. That has to be the aim so he needs to be sacked 

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

Think a lot of our players would thrive in Rúben Amorim's set up. 

Of course this would make wide players like Madueke and Mudryk pointless, but I have almost given up on them entirely.