The Next Manager?

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13 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I like Hassenhuttl and I've been very impressed with the football Southampton play under him given the resources and (lack of) talent at his disposal.

My biggest concern with him would be the step up to managing a club the size of Chelsea and the pressures that brings. 

I think he would probably follow a similar path to Potch. It's clear to see when a manager has something about them and Hassenhuttl does.

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19 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Same can be said about Nagelsmann.

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I agree, on an earlier post today I mentioned the same about Nagelsman. 

I would view the likes of Hassenhuttl and Nagelsman as riskier appointments than Tuchel and Allegri but I think the potential reward and upside is greater.

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1 hour ago, killer1257 said:

Not every club gets a Klopp. Conte and Mou are good coaches, but both are not good with youth, especially Mou.

Allgri is bad too. Tuchel might be ok, because he is a former youth coach, just like Brendan.

But most are like Sarri, who just think short term rather then long term

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Off the top of my head, I don't remember Klopp really utilizing Liverpool's youth players apart from in cup games in past seasons and until their injury crisis this season. TAA is the only one who has broken through and cemented his spot in the starting XI.

Agree with the notion there but one could argue that at least Lampard has opened the pathway for the youth players to the first team and has integrated several of those youth players in the first team already. They are now actual options for if/when the new manager comes in to consider for use, unlike in the past. And because of that work Lampard has done, would also like to think that the board would place greater emphasis on using the academy players on future managers. 

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33 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

My biggest concern with him would be the step up to managing a club the size of Chelsea and the pressures that brings. 

Christ, are you gonna say that for every young manager out there?  

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In recent years, big clubs have seen the benefit in investing in the youth academy and actually playing the players. Not only in the PL , top european clubs have done the same, 

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Off the top of my head, I don't remember Klopp really utilizing Liverpool's youth players apart from in cup games in past seasons and until their injury crisis this season. TAA is the only one who has broken through and cemented his spot in the starting XI.
Agree with the notion there but one could argue that at least Lampard has opened the pathway for the youth players to the first team and has integrated several of those youth players in the first team already. They are now actual options for if/when the new manager comes in to consider for use, unlike in the past. And because of that work Lampard has done, would also like to think that the board would place greater emphasis on using the academy players on future managers. 

I can guarantee you that our board can't tell Tuchel shit [emoji23]. Tuchel does and says what he wants. He is not a yes man like Poch for instance . So it depends who we actually get. But I think that Tuchel would like giving youth player chances,regardless what the board wants.

So, Lampard is good with youth and that was one of the reasons why he was brought in. RJ would have never made it at Chelsea, if Mou was our coach. I am pretty certain about that.

But we have some more big talents that our next coach needs to consider for at least back ups. We would make a big mistake if we got a coach like Allegri, who would rather play Jorginho in the pirlo role rather than someone from the youth.



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Just now, Jason said:

Christ, are you gonna say that for every young manager out there?  

It has to be taken into consideration. Lampard is obviously different given his inexperience but we've already seen previously with AVB and also Di Matteo once given the reigns full time, how quickly things can unravel when the pressure mounts.

We're a huge club, with a large worldwide fanbase and a recent track record of challenging for, and winning trophies. 

I wouldn't be against a Hassenhuttl or Nagelsman appointment because as I mentioned previously the potential rewards of such an appointment could be huge. However there has to be a consideration over just what a step up Southampton and Leipzig are to managing Chelsea.

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When Hasenhüttl was at Leipzig, there were rumors flying around he could go to Bayern. And again, he is PL proven. Nagelsmann isn‘t. Hasenhüttl really got that extra spark and clearly shows signs of a potential top top coach - something Lampard never did imo 

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7 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I can guarantee you that our board can't tell Tuchel shit . Tuchel does and says what he wants. He is not a yes man like Poch for instance . So it depends who we actually get. But I think that Tuchel would like giving youth player chances,regardless what the board wants.

So, Lampard is good with youth and that was one of the reasons why he was brought in. RJ would have never made it at Chelsea, if Mou was our coach. I am pretty certain about that.

But we have some more big talents that our next coach needs to consider for at least back ups. We would make a big mistake if we got a coach like Allegri, who would rather play Jorginho in the pirlo role rather than someone from the youth.

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Not namechecking any managers there. Just stating the points. 

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23 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

It has to be taken into consideration. Lampard is obviously different given his inexperience but we've already seen previously with AVB and also Di Matteo once given the reigns full time, how quickly things can unravel when the pressure mounts.

We're a huge club, with a large worldwide fanbase and a recent track record of challenging for, and winning trophies. 

I wouldn't be against a Hassenhuttl or Nagelsman appointment because as I mentioned previously the potential rewards of such an appointment could be huge. However there has to be a consideration over just what a step up Southampton and Leipzig are to managing Chelsea.

Not saying you are wrong. AVB got the job too early, only had 1.5 years of experience IIRC before coming here. Same problem also seems to be affecting Lampard. Di Matteo was never a great coach to begin with, he just got the permanent job because of the Champions League and FA Cup success and his subsequent job failures only served to reinforce it (no offence).

Not saying Hasenhuttl or Nagelsmann will be guaranteed success of course and they would be a risky appointment but at the same time, you gotta consider their body of work, their years of experience etc and based on what they have done and what we ourselves have seen, I think there are reasons to be excited about either one as our next manager - if we get there. 

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10 minutes ago, ZaynChelsea said:

When Hasenhüttl was at Leipzig, there were rumors flying around he could go to Bayern. And again, he is PL proven. Nagelsmann isn‘t. Hasenhüttl really got that extra spark and clearly shows signs of a potential top top coach - something Lampard never did imo 

There's always the risk of 'The step up" but one needs to look at the actual philosophy of his game. The space Southampton players create for themselves is incredible for a club of their stature. Someone always seems to be open and transition frequently happens through the middle of the pitch. Something that doesn't exist for us. They play with a quick tempo and there is a level of technical ability in their ball movement that didn't exist before Hasenhüttl. 

Don't think we'll get him, but I would be happy with his appointment. 

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1 minute ago, Jason said:

Not saying you are wrong. AVB got the job too early, only had 1.5 years of experience IIRC before coming here. Same problem also seems to be affecting Lampard. Di Matteo was never a great coach to begin with, he just got the permanent job because of the Champions League and FA Cup success and his subsequent job failures only served to reinforce (no offence).

Not saying Hasenhuttl or Nagelsmann will be guaranteed success of course and they would be a risky appointment but at the same time, you gotta consider their body of work, their years of experience etc and based on what they have done and what we ourselves have seen, I think there are reasons to be excited about either one as our next manager - if we get there. 

I completely agree, if either was available and willing to move immediately then I would argue the pair are top of the list of realistic appointments. I was merely expressing my biggest concern with regards to both of them. 

The patience that both have been afforded previously to stamp their philosophy on a team may not be as apparent here. Sarri's time here highlighted this problem whether the board and fans alike are willing to take initial teething problems.

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2 hours ago, Jype said:

No chance of that happening, at least not mid-season. Leicester are playing great football and are one point off the top in the league and still playing EL football so he's not going anywhere, at least not till the summer. And if the club are willing to wait that long before appointing a new permanent manager I doubt Rodgers would be at the top of the list ahead of trying to get someone like Nagelsmann.

If Frank goes it's a coin toss between Tuchel and Allgeri I would think. Or go for someone like Benitez as interim coach to steady the ship and wait for better options till the season is over. 

 

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

Think Brendan Rodgers would be a shrewd appointment but I also can't see him jumping ship midseason. 

I disagree. I mean if we made him our no.1 target, I think he would very much consider it. Yes Leicester are only 1 point off the league, may be 4 by end of this evening, however he has to look at it long term wise. Who is able to attract better players and keep hold of their best players? Us or Leicester? Us. Leicester lost Chilwell last season and even if they get in the UCL, there is always a risk that their best players can get lured by better clubs.

Although he ended up committing to Leicester last season, when Arsenal sacked Emery he was linked with the role and he did not rule it out completely initially. Despite a poor run, we are still not far of the top 4 at all and it still can end up being a very successful season. It is not as if he is walking into a team where there is no aspirations ahead. 

I definitely think it would cross his mind. Does he think he has a better chance of earning silverware with us or Leicester realistically. Also we are already in UCL.

I doubt it happens but if we did make a move, I think he definitely would consider it. He also has worked here before and this job would be a lot more tempting than the Arsenal one.

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One famous name has not popped up yet - Laurent Blanc 

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4 minutes ago, Milan said:

One famous name has not popped up yet - Laurent Blanc 

He's gone to manage in Qatar.

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5 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Ermmmmmm

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11 minutes ago, Stats said:

I disagree. I mean if we made him our no.1 target, I think he would very much consider it. Yes Leicester are only 1 point off the league, may be 4 by end of this evening, however he has to look at it long term wise. Who is able to attract better players and keep hold of their best players? Us or Leicester? Us. Leicester lost Chilwell last season and even if they get in the UCL, there is always a risk that their best players can get lured by better clubs.

Although he ended up committing to Leicester last season, when Arsenal sacked Emery he was linked with the role and he did not rule it out completely initially. Despite a poor run, we are still not far of the top 4 at all and it still can end up being a very successful season. It is not as if he is walking into a team where there is no aspirations ahead. 

I definitely think it would cross his mind. Does he think he has a better chance of earning silverware with us or Leicester realistically. Also we are already in UCL.

I doubt it happens but if we did make a move, I think he definitely would consider it. He also has worked here before and this job would be a lot more tempting than the Arsenal one.

And, he has already left one club mid-season. He left Celtic to join Leicester in February and he even said this -
 

'I understand when I left it maybe wasn't the ideal time and there was a lot of hurt.'

'Hopefully in time they can respect my decision that I made. It was for no other reason than the professional challenge.'

'The ideal timing would have been the summer but I was in a position where I needed to make a decision because the situation at Leicester had changed.'

So basically, if he was offered the Chelsea job, he would feel the professional challenge again.

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And, he has already left one club mid-season. He left Celtic to join Leicester in February and he even said this -
 
'I understand when I left it maybe wasn't the ideal time and there was a lot of hurt.'
'Hopefully in time they can respect my decision that I made. It was for no other reason than the professional challenge.'
'The ideal timing would have been the summer but I was in a position where I needed to make a decision because the situation at Leicester had changed.'

So basically, if he was offered the Chelsea job, he would feel the professional challenge again.

No, he once said that he would not come to Chelsea because he does not want to ruin his career. That says a lot of a former Chelsea youth coach and assistant of the first team. He said Chelsea does not give managers time, they give managers a lot of money instead. Also, he pointed out that by sacking every coach like Chelsea does on a regular basis, the bigger weaknesses can't be fixed and every manager gets the same flawed squad to work with. True.

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2 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

No, he once said that he would not come to Chelsea because he does not want to ruin his career. That says a lot of a former Chelsea youth coach and assistant of the first team. He said Chelsea does not give managers time, they give managers a lot of money instead. Also, he pointed out that by sacking every coach like Chelsea does on a regular basis, the bigger weaknesses can't be fixed and every manager gets the same flawed squad to work with. True.

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Didn't he say it like 10 years ago? He was at the beginning of his career back then and things could be different by now (unless he said it recently).