The Next Manager?

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

So weve been linked with Javi Gracia a day or two after I said in another post if we sacked Sarri would it be him, Nuno or Eddie Howe from the PL we would probably need to look at due to the high level coaches you'd normally associate with a big club are in jobs and this board, I just have no idea what to expect at times anymore.

It is being reported by the sun, metro, 90min, 101greatgoal and many other unreliable outlets regarding Javi Gracia but honestly after being linked with David Wagner and the former Fulham manager Jokanovic last year I wouldnt be surprised.

If this is true then what on earth is going on, no disrespect to the guy but if Sarri is out of his depth or binned for whatever other reasons then a guy who hasnt ever managed a squad of big players at a huge club has a very slim chance from the offset, considering weve also binned the likes of Jose, Conte and Carlo with 0 hesitation.

I think hes done very good for Watford and they are overachieving this season yess, as well as Nuno and Howe having done good jobs with Wolves and Bournemouth respectively over their spells there but this job is a step too high for them at present.

The pressure here would be huge for any manager despite the mixed seasons and I generally think that while Watfords season has gone well theres no huge expectation, nobody expecting them to do so well. We always expect to get top 4 and compete for trophies or a trophy. Lets not forget we are looking at losing Hazard, sold Cesc, the likes of Luiz (talk of a new deal but until its signed it means nothing) and Cahill (all 4 were hugely experienced players who have been there and done it with the club) among other uncertain scenarios with the likes of CHO, Christensen perhaps who had offers in January from Schalke Im sure as well as public complaints about playing time and if Higuain, Giroud and Kovacic are staying or going.

If Sarri is replaced in the summer, which would be a bit daft, the next guy is gonna definitely need time (argubaly more than 1 full season) to steady the ship a bit and refresh the squad as theres gonna be players going and also an impending transfer ban. Fair enough weve been off the pace hugely but if we go and appoint a guy whos had a good 15 months in the PL at Watford... Id be questioning the clubs ambition, they went tooth and nail to get Sarri (mediocre first season or not although I didnt expect it to be plain sailing, which I think some people did....), people also forget the club had been hellbent on sacking Conte to replace him with Sarri for months.... it just seems all very stupid. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

14 hours ago, nyikolajevics said:

Yeah, then sack him if he can't build a dynasty in 6 months. Half of the players in Ajax have known each other for 10+ years, the team has worked long years to reach this level.

Just fucking stick with a coach, even Sarri. We signed players for him, let him finish the job. Klopp, Pep, Poch all needed 2 years.

Hasn't won anything yet either so it's funny seeing the Sarri out brigade flip flop arguments. 

[Fernando 6,585]

That's why is best to keep Sarri for another season. 

Even Conte I wanted to keep despite the dire moments and games. 

Just stick with the manager and let them develop. I would encourage Sarri to continue with the younger players and don't put a burden for trophy. 

As long as he continues to play younger players and mix them with experience players he will be have my backing. 

[whats happening 1,621]

18 hours ago, Fernando said:

last manager to do something like this with a team that was nowhere to be known was Klopp with Dortmund. 

Definitely a good prospect the Ajax manager. 

That being said, I still think we keep Sarri and the Ajax manager to continue for one more season with his club. 

i was mostly joking. i agree that sarri needs more time.

[!Hazard! 3,394]

https://www.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=350733 Sorry article is in Dutch but apparently we are interested in Ajax manager Erik Ten Hag. 

I'd love to have him in here in case Sarri gets the sack but I'm afraid fanbase would turn on him after few months just like they have done with Sarri

[communicate 2,703]

10 hours ago, !Hazard! said:

https://www.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=350733 Sorry article is in Dutch but apparently we are interested in Ajax manager Erik Ten Hag. 

I'd love to have him in here in case Sarri gets the sack but I'm afraid fanbase would turn on him after few months just like they have done with Sarri

Like you said, it is a bad move. Hiring another possession based manager will not help. Yes he can be better than Sarri but I can't see him to be so much better. 

For me it is simple either stick with Sarri for another season or just say this possession football is not our thing and back to mou/Conte football 

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, communicate said:

Like you said, it is a bad move. Hiring another possession based manager will not help. Yes he can be better than Sarri but I can't see him to be so much better. 

For me it is simple either stick with Sarri for another season or just say this possession football is not our thing and back to mou/Conte football 

Even if we sack Sarri it's absolutely vital we carry on with the possession based high pressing style. Not only is it more in tune with the modern day way, we committed nearly £140m on two players suited to that style already.

[Laylabelle 9,536]

11 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Even if we sack Sarri it's absolutely vital we carry on with the possession based high pressing style. Not only is it more in tune with the modern day way, we committed nearly £140m on two players suited to that style already.

And hopefully we'll learn to do something with all that possession. A lot of this season has been have most of the ball and still drop points. 

[Special Juan 28,140]

If we do not get CL by either EL or finishing 4th he will be sacked. If that is the case do not get Lampard.

[communicate 2,703]

4 hours ago, Tomo said:

Even if we sack Sarri it's absolutely vital we carry on with the possession based high pressing style. Not only is it more in tune with the modern day way, we committed nearly £140m on two players suited to that style already.

I am not sure where the 140 coming from? 

Jorginho for 40 and? 

For me, if we continue down this path with changing manager every year, it will slow down our transformation. Our fans who is spoiled by Abramovich will become restless again and will turn on whoever in charge really quick. 

[Atomiswave 6,118]

Chelsea has never been about possession to me.....thats not our DNA. Its doesnt mean we cant pull it off but its just not what Chels is about. We have always been best when playing fast direct footy. Im convinced if you give Sarii 300M to spend he will still fall short, just not flexable and way too ingrained with his master philosify......I woulndt mind Allegry or Simone, especially Simone, he himself said he loves the way we used to play aka under Conte. Theres a reason his best AM sides was similar to ours.

[communicate 2,703]

4 hours ago, Laylabelle said:

And hopefully we'll learn to do something with all that possession. A lot of this season has been have most of the ball and still drop points. 

We won't be free flow scoring team with this squad. There is no way any manager can turn Willian to 15 goals scorer or Higuain back to his old days 

[Atomiswave 6,118]

1 minute ago, communicate said:

I am not sure where the 140 coming from? 

Jorginho for 40 and? 

For me, if we continue down this path with changing manager every year, it will slow down our transformation. Our fans who is spoiled by Abramovich will become restless again and will turn on whoever in charge really quick. 

Of course some sort of logic is needed........but im sure if the fans base could see hunger and progress they would support the manager. This season has been anything but sadly. 

[communicate 2,703]

10 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Of course some sort of logic is needed........but im sure if the fans base could see hunger and progress they would support the manager. This season has been anything but sadly. 

Not really. This team is not designed to play possession football. It was built by Conte and Mou to play low block football. No manager can transform this team into a possession based team without significant investment in time or players. I was afraid about this since the beginning. 

 

[Tomo 21,751]

48 minutes ago, communicate said:

I am not sure where the 140 coming from? 

Jorginho for 40 and? 

For me, if we continue down this path with changing manager every year, it will slow down our transformation. Our fans who is spoiled by Abramovich will become restless again and will turn on whoever in charge really quick. 

Kepa.

He is not the type of keeper for pragmatic tactics.

[Vesper 30,224]

57 minutes ago, communicate said:

I am not sure where the 140 coming from? 

Jorginho for 40 and? 

For me, if we continue down this path with changing manager every year, it will slow down our transformation. Our fans who is spoiled by Abramovich will become restless again and will turn on whoever in charge really quick. 

Jorginho was £57m, Pulisic £58m

£115m total

thats 

133 million euro

148m USD

so I do not see where they are getting £140m from

unless they mean Kepa and Jorginho, but that is still only £129m

[Vesper 30,224]

6 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Kepa.

He is not the type of keeper for pragmatic tactics.

Kepa and Jorginho cost £129m (72m and 57m)

[manpe 10,861]

41 minutes ago, communicate said:

Not really. This team is not designed to play possession football. It was built by Conte and Mou to play low block football. No manager can transform this team into a possession based team without significant investment in time or players. I was afraid about this since the beginning. 

 

Then why isn't the manager adapting to the circumstances?

[Clockwork 1,794]

7 hours ago, communicate said:

Like you said, it is a bad move. Hiring another possession based manager will not help. Yes he can be better than Sarri but I can't see him to be so much better. 

For me it is simple either stick with Sarri for another season or just say this possession football is not our thing and back to mou/Conte football 

No you don't have to, the issue with Sarri possession football it is it lacks the free flowing and situational movements. His style is rigid and mechanical. On the other hand most well known attacking football managers like Pep is the opposite. I recall KDB saying in his first year under Pep, they hardly stayed in one formation, they spent the majority of training moving from one formation to another. Key being giving the player freedom and use their intelligence, to recognize situations and exploit areas. 

Not saying Sarri style will never be successful, but i am very uneasy about its rigidness and the way it shackle some players. 

[Tomo 21,751]

33 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Kepa and Jorginho cost £129m (72m and 57m)

Yeah my bad I miscounted but at the same time I forgot Pulisic, who is another player more suited to a high energy proactive game (nicking the ball high up is his best attribute from what I've seen).