The Next Manager?

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I actually wouldn't put it past our board to actually consider Rafa Benitez again. Almost the same situation as last time and it would be beneficial to both sides. Chelsea gets a "safe," boring, experienced and pragmatic manager to steady the ship. Maybe luck out and go on a run in Europe like last time. Benitez gets to put himself in the shop window again and gets himself another PL gig. And with no fans in the Bridge there won't be huge backlash this time.

Of course that's not what I want by any means but I wonder if they're considering it...

[Tomo 21,751]

8 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Problem is that we can sell our new golden generation of youth players because our next new managers needs 200 million investments to make his new team and then guys like Soonsup bell, Broja, Anjorin will play for other Pl clubs or for Bayern

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[Tomo 21,751]

5 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Problem is that we can sell our new golden generation of youth players because our next new managers needs 200 million investments to make his new team and then guys like Soonsup bell, Broja, Anjorin will play for other Pl clubs or for Bayern

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Why can't we do both? Many successful teams (including the current Champions of England) have combined top prospects with big spending. Even the one's who don't quite become good enough to start for us can still provide the squad depth which frees up funds for star signings as opposed to squad filler.

The two ain't mutually exclusive.

[Nero 1,868]

Ernesto Valverde?

[Jype 6,398]

13 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I don't really get this notion as it being some kind of bad thing, it's similar at a lot of big clubs, even the one's that win league's every year. Partly because the modern player gets bored of the same voice after a while (Pep cited that as one of the reason's he left Barcelona) and partly because managers themselves want to try out different things.

Also for all this talk about us being a poisoned chalice I feel quite the opposite, if you really want to build a great team and era there's few if any better resourced clubs than us to provide for a manager. They get strong backing in the market and have the best academy in the world to dip into, yes strong results are expected but why shouldn't they be with those resources available? If you were Nagelsmann and saw the opportunity to take over an already highly talented side, spend £200m to bring your own players to compliment that and alongside both of those have youngsters of the quality of Livramento, Gallagher, Bate and Soonsup-Bell knocking on the door you really think that wouldn't appeal?

Yep. And it's not like the ways of the club haven't changed in the last ten years too. In the current Chelsea setup I can't see something like Ancelotti's sacking happening anymore, a year after winning the double and then finishing second.

Roman and the board seem a lot less ruthless now than a decade ago and the managers these days won't be getting sacked after a trophyless season as long as there's still progress made and the manager doesn't go on the warpath with the board like Conte did.

Even Lampard's job would be more than safe if he was on course for a ~75pts finish in the league and the style of football looked like it's getting gradually better. Now the progress seems to have stalled completely or even gone backwards despite big investments made into the squad, and that's why he's on the verge of getting sacked.

Don't see any reason why someone like Nagelsmann etc. wouldn't want to take the job and have a go. If it works out there's a good chance he'd stay for at least 2-3 seasons and that's around the average length of a manager's life span at a top club these days anyway. How many top teams have currently had the same manager for +5 years? Liverpool, Man City and Atletico have but that's about it, the rest have been changing managers just as often as Chelsea if not even more regularly. 

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8 minutes ago, Patrick Bamford said:

Ernesto Valverde?

I would rather have Allegri than Valverde.

[Tomo 21,751]

2 minutes ago, Jype said:

Yep. And it's not like the ways of the club haven't changed in the last ten years too. In the current Chelsea setup I can't see something like Ancelotti's sacking happening anymore, a year after winning the double and then finishing second.

Roman and the board seem a lot less ruthless now than a decade ago and the managers these days won't be getting sacked after a trophyless season as long as there's still progress made and the manager doesn't go on the warpath with the board like Conte did.

Even Lampard's job would be more than safe if he was on course for a ~75pts finish in the league and the style of football looked like it's getting gradually better. Now the progress seems to have stalled completely or even gone backwards despite big investments made into the squad, and that's why he's on the verge of getting sacked.

Don't see any reason why someone like Nagelsmann etc. wouldn't want to take the job and have a go. If it works out there's a good chance he'd stay for at least 2-3 seasons and that's around the average length of a manager's life span at a top club these days anyway. How many top teams have currently had the same manager for +5 years? Liverpool, Man City and Atletico have but that's about it, the rest have been changing managers just as often as Chelsea if not even more regularly. 

I find the narrative that we would give blanket sackings to managers if they don't win the league a bit strange tbh. Mou and Lampard got second season's despite not winning the league and Sarri would have but chose to walk so that's 3 in 7 years. Ancelotti's sacking was more down to his CL record if I had to guess, when you're appointed for your European pedigree and don't even match the efforts of previous manager's in the competition you will be in trouble regardless of what you do domestically.

No manager in the Roman era (bar maybe Ranieri) has been sacked with the direction we were heading in looking promising, in my opinion.

[Jase 43,479]

The bookies have put Brendan Rodgers as the favorite to replace Lampard.

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15 minutes ago, Patrick Bamford said:

Ernesto Valverde?

[Superblue 6,372]

44 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Also for all this talk about us being a poisoned chalice I feel quite the opposite, if you really want to build a great team and era there's few if any better resourced clubs than us to provide for a manager. They get strong backing in the market and have the best academy in the world to dip into, yes strong results are expected but why shouldn't they be with those resources available? If you were Nagelsmann and saw the opportunity to take over an already highly talented side, spend £200m to bring your own players to compliment that and alongside both of those have youngsters of the quality of Livramento, Gallagher, Bate and Soonsup-Bell knocking on the door you really think that wouldn't appeal?

This squad is very different to the one that Sarri left, with a front three of Willian, Pedro and Giroud all well into their 30's.

There will be far more managers casting an eye at the talent and depth we have in our squad and fancying a crack with it.

[Jype 6,398]

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

The bookies have put Brendan Rodgers as the favorite to replace Lampard.

No chance of that happening, at least not mid-season. Leicester are playing great football and are one point off the top in the league and still playing EL football so he's not going anywhere, at least not till the summer. And if the club are willing to wait that long before appointing a new permanent manager I doubt Rodgers would be at the top of the list ahead of trying to get someone like Nagelsmann.

If Frank goes it's a coin toss between Tuchel and Allgeri I would think. Or go for someone like Benitez as interim coach to steady the ship and wait for better options till the season is over. 

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6 minutes ago, Jype said:

No chance of that happening, at least not mid-season. Leicester are playing great football and are one point off the top in the league and still playing EL football so he's not going anywhere, at least not till the summer. And if the club are willing to wait that long before appointing a new permanent manager I doubt Rodgers would be at the top of the list ahead of trying to get someone like Nagelsmann.

If Frank goes it's a coin toss between Tuchel and Allgeri I would think. Or go for someone like Benitez as interim coach to steady the ship and wait for better options till the season is over. 

Well, Rodgers left Celtic to join Leicester mid season before so I would not really say no chance of that happening again.

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2 minutes ago, Jype said:

No chance of that happening, at least not mid-season. Leicester are playing great football and are one point off the top in the league and still playing EL football so he's not going anywhere, at least not till the summer. And if the club are willing to wait that long before appointing a new permanent manager I doubt Rodgers would be at the top of the list ahead of trying to get someone like Nagelsmann.

If Frank goes it's a coin toss between Tuchel and Allgeri I would think. Or go for someone like Benitez as interim coach to steady the ship and wait for better options till the season is over. 

Benitez would be a massive step backwards in my opinion bringing in someone more defensive minded, only to then go for a more attack minded coach in the summer I don't think will help the players at all. Also I'm not sure if he'd take the job, he seemed pretty pissed off with the lack of support from the board the first time he was here with the 'interim' tag, so cannot see why he'd want to come back and do that stint again.

Also I suppose the argument over a longer term appointment in the summer would be whether there are better options available than Tuchel and Allegri by then? I have doubts over both for varying reasons but there's no doubt that if we want a more experienced coach with a solid CV to come in, they both pass that test pretty well. 

Nagelsman I guess is the other realistic option if we're looking at the summer but whilst he has a lot more coaching experience than Lampard, there are still question marks over his ability to come in and manage a much bigger club than he has in the past with pressure and expectations to challenge and win trophies. 

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Why can't we do both? Many successful teams (including the current Champions of England) have combined top prospects with big spending. Even the one's who don't quite become good enough to start for us can still provide the squad depth which frees up funds for star signings as opposed to squad filler.

The two ain't mutually exclusive.

 

Not every club gets a Klopp. Conte and Mou are good coaches, but both are not good with youth, especially Mou.

Allgri is bad too. Tuchel might be ok, because he is a former youth coach, just like Brendan.

 

But most are like Sarri, who just think short term rather then long term

 

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26 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Benitez would be a massive step backwards in my opinion bringing in someone more defensive minded, only to then go for a more attack minded coach in the summer I don't think will help the players at all. Also I'm not sure if he'd take the job, he seemed pretty pissed off with the lack of support from the board the first time he was here with the 'interim' tag, so cannot see why he'd want to come back and do that stint again.

Yeah I didn't really mean hiring Benitez exactly but rather the type of appointment he was in 2012 when the club wanted to wait for Jose. The interim coach could be someone who's reputation has taken a hit and is desperate to be given a chance (think Benitez in the past) or someone who doesn't necessarily have the required qualifications either but is brought in to trust in the new manager bounce (think Di Matteo in the past).

I don't think even Benitez would decline it to be honest. His last few jobs have been largely failures and he's currently managing in China so he could just be desperate enough to make the comeback and try to attract interest in a PL job again.

26 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Also I suppose the argument over a longer term appointment in the summer would be whether there are better options available than Tuchel and Allegri by then? I have doubts over both for varying reasons but there's no doubt that if we want a more experienced coach with a solid CV to come in, they both pass that test pretty well. 

Nagelsman I guess is the other realistic option if we're looking at the summer but whilst he has a lot more coaching experience than Lampard, there are still question marks over his ability to come in and manage a much bigger club than he has in the past with pressure and expectations to challenge and win trophies. 

Yeah, that is the question. I guess they'd have to hold preliminary talks with the likes of Nagelsmann etc. to sound out whether they're interested or not before making a decision on Frank's immediate replacement.

If some quality manager gives the unofficial green light, an interim coach should be hired but if not, then it comes down to the likes of Tuchel, Allegri or even Favre. A damn shame Pochettino is not available anymore, he'd have been the obvious choice.

I'd stay very much clear of Allegri if I was in charge of the managerial hiring. His style of football is not suited to the players brought into the squad so we'd be looking at yet another big change in personnel in the near future. He'd probably bring some success eventually but with the recent player recruitment and Frank's integration of the academy players the time frame to hire Allegri has gone. He'd have been a good manager to bring in straight after Conte but not anymore.

Tuchel would probably be a decent choice for the current squad and he'd likely get good performances in the short term but like Conte/Jose he's another controversial figure and there's bound to be trouble with the board eventually. Maybe on an 18 month contract (like Poch at PSG) he could be a good choice but anything longer than that is asking for problems.

In the summer Rodgers and Nagelsmann would both be good choices.