robsblubot 3,595 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) He was by far the worst player on the pitch against Fulham. Absolutely dreadful in every aspect of the game, and you know what? it's OK. He's young and he's entitled to performances like these. It happens and he will learn form it, or not... in which case he won't make it. Still way too early to tell and games like these, not mediocre, not average, but really poor, are typical of younger players. Edited February 5, 2023 by robsblubot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 18 minutes ago, robsblubot said: He was by far the worst player on the pitch against Fulham. Absolutely dreadful in every aspect of the game, and you know what? it's OK. He's young and he's entitled to performances like these. It happens and he will learn form it, or not... in which case he won't make it. Still way too early to tell and games like these, not mediocre, not average, but really poor, are typical of younger players. Agreed - his performance was the worst (far worse than oft maligned Mount , in fact) But while some of the blame is on him, I feel a big portion of the blame lay in the tactical setup. Its clear he isn't like Hazard who looks to hold on to the ball to try and create space for other players. He's more of a player who favors quick pass and move football, and if the surrounding players are not complementing his play - then he's pretty much out of it. The other option would have been to make use of his blistering pace by freeing him up - again, nothing done by the team to release him in threatening positions. You had both Mount and Gallagher pushing far up the pitch taking up space that could have been used. robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa19 858 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) He has been sick for the whole week and yet played the best he could while beeing isolated by Fulham who overloaded his side to shut it down. Thats why he was subed in half time, Potter thought he could play 60 min but he only managed 45. Hope we play both Mudryk and Madueke next games so the opposition cant overload only one side. If they do that against Mudryk/Madueke or Mudryk/Sterling they will get slapped on the fingers again and again and again. Edited February 5, 2023 by Costa19 Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,505 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Costa19 said: He has been sick for the whole week and yet played the best he could while beeing isolated by Fulham who overloaded his side to shut it down. Thats why he was subed in half time, Potter thought he could play 60 min but he only managed 45. Hope we play both Mudryk and Madueke next games so the opposition cant overload only one side. If they do that against Mudryk/Madueke or Mudryk/Sterling they will get slapped on the fingers again and again and again. I knew that we would regret splashing so much money on this guy. To spend that much on a player that is raw and hasn't played in a top european league just to say that we beat Arsenal to his signing is crazy. To think we could have had Enzo-Caicedo as our midfield moving forward for a similar transfer fee. Costa19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,178 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 58 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said: I knew that we would regret splashing so much money on this guy. To spend that much on a player that is raw and hasn't played in a top european league just to say that we beat Arsenal to his signing is crazy. To think we could have had Enzo-Caicedo as our midfield moving forward for a similar transfer fee. This is my nomination for the worst post of 2023 so far. You have already permanently binned Mudryk after less than 90 minutes total play, over half of which he played with a cold. Breathtakingly premature. Embarrassingly so, one might say. I certainly do. Mhsc, Fernando, Costa19 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,505 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 19 minutes ago, Vesper said: This is my nomination for the worst post of 2023 so far. You have already permanently binned Mudryk after less than 90 minutes total play, over half of which he played with a cold. Breathtakingly premature. Embarrassingly so, one might say. I certainly do. You're right but considering there is a very high chance of him joining our long list of flops, I'll take my chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,178 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said: You're right but considering there is a very high chance of him joining our long list of flops, I'll take my chances. You out of the gate slaters and whingers never, or almost never, offer up any alternatives. All you lot often do is shit on our players from the moment they set foot on the pitch. You would be doing the same thing with Caicedo if we had dropped £100m (Brighton's demanded price) on him. Mudryk was £62m in transfer fee, and up to £26m in potential add-ons. That £62m is what CuCu cost, for a RESERVE LEFT BACK, yet the haters on here are already wetting the bed over a potential game changing winger. Sad. I so hope we end up paying the full £26m in add-ons, as that would mean Mudryk has hit big. Costa19 and Fernando 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton 2,120 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 The things reading here 😞 Didnt know he was sick, but it was not great. What i do noticed is that he never ever in the game got the space that Ziyech got. So one bad half in a team that must come together as a team don’t concern me. When fit he need to start the next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) Yeah crazy to write him off. I still think the guy is good and will come good. Just that team chemistry is so bad at this moment and not to mention that mid besides Enzo is bad. Can't wait for other players that work in the mid to be back because we need that balance there. Edited February 5, 2023 by Fernando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,178 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Fernando said: Yeah crazy to write him off. I still think the guy is good and will come good. Just that team chemistry is so bad at this moment and not to mention that mid besides Enzo is bad. Can't wait for other players that work in the mid to be back because we need that balance there. He was not even THAT bad v Fulham, especially for being sick. I sad so real time back then. This rush by some to take a hot steamer on Mudryk after 80 minutes of total play is beyond daft IMHO, especially when it comes from our own fanbase. I held my tongue with KK until it was very clear the bloke is well past it. Hell, I even ended up at times defending Alonso here, lolol Hamilton, Costa19 and Fernando 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,938 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Hes played approx 70 mins and people are writing him off! Behave yourselves NikkiCFC and Hamilton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Typical fan board dynamics - go apeshit when transferring some Football Manager darling in and cry we're not paying hundreds of millions up front, 90 minutes later go apeshit and demand the player being sent back and bash the board for the transfer, because fella hadn't suddenly got 3 times better on plane to London as isn't banging in a hat trick from the get go. Always a fun read though. Vesper and Hamilton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Nice little jog back on their goal....didnt even try to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,277 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 On 05/02/2023 at 13:52, Vegetable said: Typical fan board dynamics - go apeshit when transferring some Football Manager darling in and cry we're not paying hundreds of millions up front, 90 minutes later go apeshit and demand the player being sent back and bash the board for the transfer, because fella hadn't suddenly got 3 times better on plane to London as isn't banging in a hat trick from the get go. Always a fun read though. Coming from a bloke that believes a manager with 10+ injuries and like 7 new players coming into a team should have them running like clockwork instantly. Pot kettle black Vegetable and DDA 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 On 05/02/2023 at 14:22, Vesper said: Hell, I even ended up at times defending Alonso here, lolol In his peak in a 5 a the back system, Alonso was world class. I don't know if you can name a better LWB at that time. Or do you mean Alonso in his later years? Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, YorkshireBlue said: Coming from a bloke that believes a manager with 10+ injuries and like 7 new players coming into a team should have them running like clockwork instantly. Pot kettle black Mate, seriously, is Potter your family or what? 😂 If so, I'll give him some slack. It's basic club hierarchy - when we buy players with potential and slowly let them into a team it's rather normal. If we are appointing sub-par manager/medical staff/coaches/owner it's unacceptable. Players are easy to bench or sell and there's 11 of them. Anyone higher the ladder, not so much. Plus I was first to criticize tossing hundreds of millions for unproven footballers from small time leagues, some TC members liked in their FIFA, so what is your point exactly? Potter been here for 5 months, so if that's "instantly", then slow life ftw. Koulibaly and Cucurella been here for more or less the same time, yet hardly anyone waits with judgement here, so what, blurred standards again? As of Mudryk, it's worth noting he did not quite look like the rumored pace abuser for more than 25 mins yesterday, so he may be overused or overtrained already. Not to mention his mind seemed to collapse under weight of important, away CL game, so he may be even more raw, than people thought he is. Edited February 16, 2023 by Vegetable robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,704 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I thought he looked quite dangerous and made some really nice plays when he did get on the ball. Obviously there were points he tried too hard and messed up - but - Mo Salah plays almost entirely the same way - and did so even at the peak of his powers - but the team around him was so supportive and good to farm his element of play that it didn't matter. Mudryk is very, very good already. Taking a few games to get up to speed is normal, and he has looked very dangerous when he has gotten in the right places. He needs to work harder and track back more in certain areas, but the guy is coming from off season, cold, to the most demanding league physically in the world. This forum is absolute horrid to read with the mopey bastards all over it. DDA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,178 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 10 hours ago, manpe said: In his peak in a 5 a the back system, Alonso was world class. I don't know if you can name a better LWB at that time. Or do you mean Alonso in his later years? Alonso was always a large defensive liability, even in those 3 peak years (that was all he had for a true peak, 2016/17, 2017/18 (first team all EPL), and then under Sarri, 2018/19, when his goals went down but assists went up, but after that he started his overall decline). That is why Conte so so wanted Alex Sandro to replace him (and the Juve cunts ran the road with Marina, we never got him). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,938 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Once he finds his rhythm in a practiced system with all players around him hitting form.... think we might see an absolute monster in Mudryk. He definitely has the trekkers.... exciting times. Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I can see the spark with him I really can. He's going to be great for us, just needs time to settle and understand the league and the team Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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