Graham Potter Thread

[Antonio8 736]

13 hours ago, TheHulk said:

You can tell from a mile the players don't believe in him as a coach. The squad is average but it's impossible to believe all of them are in crap form. We're wasting our time with Potter because nothing will change.

Potter is not the problem.

this squad was built very very badly by Tuchel, with absurd signings like Lukaku and Koulibaly

that weren't suitable for 3421 from the beginning

 

 

 

 

 

[Vesper 30,081]

Monday January 9 2023

This season is a write-off, so judge him on the next term By Jason Burt, CHIEF FOOTBALL CORRESPONDENT Transition seasons do not usually work in Premier League football. Especially with a club of the resources, ambition and profile of Chelsea. But this has been a unique time for them: change of ownership (and that phrase hardly does justice to the seismic shift at Chelsea with Roman Abramovich forced out), change of manager, change of personnel, change of approach, also. It has also come at a high cost: £21 million in compensation to release Potter and his backroom staff from their contracts at Brighton and a £60 million, five-year deal for the new head coach. That is some show of faith in Potter and while, under Abramovich, he would be staring at the sack after being knocked out of the FA Cup yesterday it makes no sense for Chelsea to make a change this season. They need to consolidate. They need to get the structures and team in place to help the new manager. Mistakes have been made by Todd Boehly and Behdad Eghbali, and a lot of money has been spent questionably. Indeed maybe it was wrong to dispense with Thomas Tuchel. But they need to back Potter, as they appear to be doing, and accept that this is going to be a difficult campaign which might end with Chelsea trophyless and failing to qualify for the Champions League. This only works, though, if Potter hits the ground running come August. The circumstances at Chelsea, and his potential, buy him this season. Next season Chelsea have to be far more competitive from the off. That is non-negotiable. He is already, arguably, being given a second chance. No manager really deserves a third and especially not at a club with Chelsea’s ambitions and despite the length of his contract. Clubs can be like supertankers; once they head off in the wrong direction it takes an awfully long time to turn them around. Just look at Manchester United and Arsenal. There are solid reasons why Chelsea hired Potter and they should not disappear in a handful of months. But he has to be ready next season.

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Whether Potter is the answer long term or not is irrelevant currently. It's more important right now to change and shift the culture at the club.

It's well known that Pep rejected our overtures because of the hire and fire mentality.

If Potter was to get the boot, we'd be on to our 3rd manager in the first season. It would completely undermine what has been released about the ownership looking at things on a longer term position.

I can't sit here and say Potter is going to be a success. At present he's dealing with a ridiculous number of injuries (more than what Liverpool had to deal with a couple of years ago when Klopp had them in a similar position to this one at a similar stage of the season), and he does seem to be trying to move the team into a back 4 system which I think is right for the long term but he's having to try and make it work currently with players like Jorginho and the centre backs not well suited. Having said this, it's an even bigger car crash currently than I'd expect.

But for me, unless we got sucked into a relegation battle, the owners must stick to their position. The last thing we want is to be in a similar position in 3, 4, 5 years time and we get turned down by a world class coach because the sacking culture hasn't stopped.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

26 minutes ago, Antonio8 said:

Potter is not the problem.

this squad was built very very badly by Tuchel, with absurd signings like Lukaku and Koulibaly

that weren't suitable for 3421 from the beginning

Hes not the problem but he hasn't got any sort of huge response or improvement in a high bulk of the players… and its not like we have 23-25 shite players.

He had Brighton doing better with an inferior squad (or did Brighton actually boost his reputation and profile as a manager? Lets not forget the infrastructure and how they are run - there aren’t many better run in the PL) but whys it not translating to higher calibre of players? Is he out of depth? Have managers carried this squad? Some poor players? Are rhe players not having him? A bit of everything?

Simon Jordan summed it up correctly today on TalkSport when discussing it “there is language that Potter is using, which isn’t the language of an elite manager at times that does look like he’s a little bit caught in the headlights”. He is caught in the headlights - clearly - or he wouldn’t be popping off at the media and looking extremely under pressure.

I think how he comes across in the media is likely how he is with the players. He seems naive. Only just speculating but certainly in the media he seems very naive/illequipped mentally. I reckon that rubs off on the players - genuinely.

Edited January 9, 2023 by OneMoSalah

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12 minutes ago, Vesper said:

This season is a write-off, so judge him on the next term

Getting tired of this sentiment. Why would we write the season off? What kind of mentality is this?

We are not "transitioning" as to transition means to go somewhere, meanwhile we have exactly the same mess of club structure and exactly the same headless mix of pointless transfer business, except even more expensive + clueless managerial change, so where is it supposedly going? Any picture of cohesive team is looming from behind this? Time to admit someone had effed up big time instead covering it with "transitioning" all the time

[TheHulk 2,402]

1 hour ago, Antonio8 said:

Potter is not the problem.

this squad was built very very badly by Tuchel, with absurd signings like Lukaku and Koulibaly

that weren't suitable for 3421 from the beginning

 

 

 

 

 

[TheHulk 2,402]

 

[Mhsc 1,091]

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[Fernando 6,585]

43 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Might be the first time we back a manager. 

Just bench those that don't want to follow and go with the youth! 

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20 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Might be the first time we back a manager. 

Just bench those that don't want to follow and go with the youth! 

We certainly do have some attitude problem in the dressing room, but on the other hand… There's a comedic imbalance there.

People can bash our players all they want, but a lot of people in this group have all the silverware in existence in their cabinets. They can be professional and civil enough not to revolt against Potter from the get go, but it's hard to convince those players to follow someone who is pretty much random Joe from their perspective. To make things worse, Potter, contrary to what he claims, doesn't really have anything to back himself with and so far isn't really looking like some tv wonderkid genius, who is defeating the system. He just seems painfully out of his place there.

This is exactly the situation why big corporations are becoming toxic workplaces and talented people are performing way below their means. It was a very faithful/naive and bold move from TB, but I don't really see a possibility that some productive fire will start here.

And I really doubt that throwing our heritage to the gutter and starting the team from scratch with youth and potential relegation battle helps. Yeah, we will spend years to become Brighton level and then what? We have to step up anyway, so it's pretty much long way to the point we are in now anyway. We, are on the level one should only move forward, not backwards.    

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20 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

Ppl are talking about Arteta if he was the 2nd coming of Beckenbauer.

But as of yet, Arsenal have not won anything this season and still have a ton of tough features ahead with a paper thin squad. If they fk this up, ppl will be talking of how naive they were to go into such a hectic season without any depth.

 

True but even if dont win he has them playing bloody well and it's something they can build on really. It isn't sideways and hope for the best unfortunately its aim for goal and apart from the odd game score win job done..

[Bren 41]

3 hours ago, Vegetable said:

but a lot of people in this group have all the silverware in existence in their cabinets

They absolutely do. However, several of them also have the heads of a lot of managers; title winning managers. They keep doing this. The culture at the club (and new players seem immediately infected with it) is as soon as the manager does something they don't like, they just down tools and he'll be gone in weeks. It's got to stop.