Graham Potter Thread

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

39 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

Sorry..I don't buy that adage about it working for one club, so it should work for us.

Arsenal were down in the dumps under Arteta for nearly 3 seasons., and they really hit gold in this transfer window.

While they may have their best league finish in a decade this season, it's still one season..

And even if Arteta does end up being success like Pep, it's Arteta. Not Potter.

Ppl are talking about Arteta if he was the 2nd coming of Beckenbauer.

But as of yet, Arsenal have not won anything this season and still have a ton of tough features ahead with a paper thin squad. If they fk this up, ppl will be talking of how naive they were to go into such a hectic season without any depth.

That does not excuse Potter from not having any impact whatsoever on the team. Apart from a short winning streak in fall, we have seen our football and results deteriorate. I see absolutely nothing in terms of footballing ideas nor injecting our team with a bit of fighting spirit. The team is like a bunch of zombies just passing the ball around and alibi-running after opposition players, praying for the final whistle.

Obviously our club has deepr lying issues than coach and management, which have been addressed a million times. But from all the huffing and puffing about long term vision for the future our owner supposedly have we have seen 0. And that is why I see absolutely no reason to back Potter for a long term stay here. Niether has he said no executed anything resembling a long term plan. We have seen our anyway terrible players shoved from one position to the next and that's pretty much it. Even with Lampard or Sarri there was a clear idea of what the long term plan of our football to like was albeit the progress was probably too slow. Under Conte and Tuchel, there was always a plan being executed, albeit sometimes this plan being extremely destructive, reactive football which our players often sucked at executing but again the idea was clear.

I see nothing here under Potter nor of how Boehly is gonna steer us in the right direction. Just a bunch of amateurs at the helm and a mediocre coach on the sidelines and out of his depth.

[TheHulk 1,857]

You can tell from a mile the players don't believe in him as a coach. The squad is average but it's impossible to believe all of them are in crap form. We're wasting our time with Potter because nothing will change.

[NikkiCFC 7,953]

Guardiola is backing Potter to stay and to be given time. 

[Vytis33 1,142]

Yeah I’m sure Pep would love that.  So would every other club in the league at this rate 

[TheHulk 1,857]

No wonder he has no concerns.

[robsblubot 3,504]

2 hours ago, Vytis33 said:

Yeah I’m sure Pep would love that.  So would every other club in the league at this rate 

yup. He was pretty much saying that given enough time Chelsea would turn into Brighton right and proper. 😉 

[Milan 17,854]

Well, everyone, every big club was hoping Ole would be given time at United too, obvious reasons.

[Costa19 858]

You can put glitter on a turd by having either an elite manager with averge squad or elite squat with an average manager. We have neither of it. We are so fked for a long long time.

Rebuilding this squad would require about 500m in todays market and we have already spent about 300m on pure shit 🤦‍♂️

[HEREIAM 83]

White & Jordan on Talksport  just now, Simon Jordan said he wasn't surprised that TT was fired knowing some of the things going on behind the scenes, he said it's up to TB to tell people if he wanted to.

Anyone know anymore?

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

17 minutes ago, HEREIAM said:

White & Jordan on Talksport  just now, Simon Jordan said he wasn't surprised that TT was fired knowing some of the things going on behind the scenes, he said it's up to TB to tell people if he wanted to.

Anyone know anymore?

No idea, but sounds like there was more going on than people think, and if that's the case TB has kept it out of the media, so fair play to him.

Edited January 9, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[Vesper 28,826]

and so it begins.....

'Enough is ENOUGH': Chelsea icon Frank Leboeuf calls for Graham Potter to be SACKED, slams 'gutless' stars Mason Mount and Kai Havertz and says Jorginho should be cast off in stunning outburst

'I see players convinced of nothing and proving nothing. They showed disrespect toward the fans and Chelsea Football Club. I'm talking about so-called leaders, not the young players.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11612387/Frank-Leboeuf-SAVAGES-Graham-Potter-claiming-branding-players-shameful.html

Edited January 9, 2023 by Vesper

[Fernando 6,463]

Meh meaningless talking about the sack when he ain't going anywhere. Say we get into relagation battle. 

As mentioned a season where he gets a free pass. 

[Antonio8 736]

13 hours ago, TheHulk said:

You can tell from a mile the players don't believe in him as a coach. The squad is average but it's impossible to believe all of them are in crap form. We're wasting our time with Potter because nothing will change.

Potter is not the problem.

this squad was built very very badly by Tuchel, with absurd signings like Lukaku and Koulibaly

that weren't suitable for 3421 from the beginning

 

 

 

 

 

[Vesper 28,826]

Monday January 9 2023

This season is a write-off, so judge him on the next term By Jason Burt, CHIEF FOOTBALL CORRESPONDENT Transition seasons do not usually work in Premier League football. Especially with a club of the resources, ambition and profile of Chelsea. But this has been a unique time for them: change of ownership (and that phrase hardly does justice to the seismic shift at Chelsea with Roman Abramovich forced out), change of manager, change of personnel, change of approach, also. It has also come at a high cost: £21 million in compensation to release Potter and his backroom staff from their contracts at Brighton and a £60 million, five-year deal for the new head coach. That is some show of faith in Potter and while, under Abramovich, he would be staring at the sack after being knocked out of the FA Cup yesterday it makes no sense for Chelsea to make a change this season. They need to consolidate. They need to get the structures and team in place to help the new manager. Mistakes have been made by Todd Boehly and Behdad Eghbali, and a lot of money has been spent questionably. Indeed maybe it was wrong to dispense with Thomas Tuchel. But they need to back Potter, as they appear to be doing, and accept that this is going to be a difficult campaign which might end with Chelsea trophyless and failing to qualify for the Champions League. This only works, though, if Potter hits the ground running come August. The circumstances at Chelsea, and his potential, buy him this season. Next season Chelsea have to be far more competitive from the off. That is non-negotiable. He is already, arguably, being given a second chance. No manager really deserves a third and especially not at a club with Chelsea’s ambitions and despite the length of his contract. Clubs can be like supertankers; once they head off in the wrong direction it takes an awfully long time to turn them around. Just look at Manchester United and Arsenal. There are solid reasons why Chelsea hired Potter and they should not disappear in a handful of months. But he has to be ready next season.

[Superblue 6,370]

Whether Potter is the answer long term or not is irrelevant currently. It's more important right now to change and shift the culture at the club.

It's well known that Pep rejected our overtures because of the hire and fire mentality.

If Potter was to get the boot, we'd be on to our 3rd manager in the first season. It would completely undermine what has been released about the ownership looking at things on a longer term position.

I can't sit here and say Potter is going to be a success. At present he's dealing with a ridiculous number of injuries (more than what Liverpool had to deal with a couple of years ago when Klopp had them in a similar position to this one at a similar stage of the season), and he does seem to be trying to move the team into a back 4 system which I think is right for the long term but he's having to try and make it work currently with players like Jorginho and the centre backs not well suited. Having said this, it's an even bigger car crash currently than I'd expect.

But for me, unless we got sucked into a relegation battle, the owners must stick to their position. The last thing we want is to be in a similar position in 3, 4, 5 years time and we get turned down by a world class coach because the sacking culture hasn't stopped.

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

26 minutes ago, Antonio8 said:

Potter is not the problem.

this squad was built very very badly by Tuchel, with absurd signings like Lukaku and Koulibaly

that weren't suitable for 3421 from the beginning

Hes not the problem but he hasn't got any sort of huge response or improvement in a high bulk of the players… and its not like we have 23-25 shite players.

He had Brighton doing better with an inferior squad (or did Brighton actually boost his reputation and profile as a manager? Lets not forget the infrastructure and how they are run - there aren’t many better run in the PL) but whys it not translating to higher calibre of players? Is he out of depth? Have managers carried this squad? Some poor players? Are rhe players not having him? A bit of everything?

Simon Jordan summed it up correctly today on TalkSport when discussing it “there is language that Potter is using, which isn’t the language of an elite manager at times that does look like he’s a little bit caught in the headlights”. He is caught in the headlights - clearly - or he wouldn’t be popping off at the media and looking extremely under pressure.

I think how he comes across in the media is likely how he is with the players. He seems naive. Only just speculating but certainly in the media he seems very naive/illequipped mentally. I reckon that rubs off on the players - genuinely.

Edited January 9, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[Vegetable 830]

12 minutes ago, Vesper said:

This season is a write-off, so judge him on the next term

Getting tired of this sentiment. Why would we write the season off? What kind of mentality is this?

We are not "transitioning" as to transition means to go somewhere, meanwhile we have exactly the same mess of club structure and exactly the same headless mix of pointless transfer business, except even more expensive + clueless managerial change, so where is it supposedly going? Any picture of cohesive team is looming from behind this? Time to admit someone had effed up big time instead covering it with "transitioning" all the time

[TheHulk 1,857]

1 hour ago, Antonio8 said:

Potter is not the problem.

this squad was built very very badly by Tuchel, with absurd signings like Lukaku and Koulibaly

that weren't suitable for 3421 from the beginning