Chelsea Transfers

[NikkiCFC 8,516]

2 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

 

Heard a joke from an old school manager (in Brazil) once which went like this, "a poor player who runs a lot and is always involved just means that the better player have less of the ball."

How come you didn't have that opinion about Mount? I see majority think they are similar players. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

Just now, NikkiCFC said:

How come you didn't have that opinion about Mount? I see majority think they are similar players. 

Different position. Mount wasn't, in my view, always involved in the game like Gallagher is. Simply because Gallagher plays in a central position.

I also rate Mount much higher skill wise. He has quick feet, and can work in tight spaces, something Gallagher can't do--at least so far hasn't shown he can.

Mount to me was akin to Oscar in some ways, but he also had more attacking output (as shown in numbers) in his good seasons. We can discuss where his form is going, which is definitely debatable, but I saw what I saw. Folks may not like the workhorse attacking player type, but I usually spot them in silverware photos.

[Fernando 6,723]

17 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

It's really difficult to know, from the outside, how Poch and the club rate Gallagher. The manager will always praise his player when commenting transfer and whatnot, but what they think internally might be a completely different story.

My personal stance regarding him remains the same: I'm not sure he's good enough at this level.

Heard a joke from an old school manager (in Brazil) once which went like this, "a poor player who runs a lot and is always involved just means that the better player have less of the ball."

But actions speaks louder then word. Gallagher is almost always number 1. So I think that statement from him is very telling. 

And he might be a workhorse but that is what Mount was and when he did it we reap the rewards. 

So I don't mind someone like that especially being from the academy and that loves Chelsea....unless you tell me a team puts 100 million on the table, then I would sell. 

Edited December 18, 2023 by Fernando

[robsblubot 3,595]

8 minutes ago, Fernando said:

But actions speaks louder then word. Gallagher is almost always number 1. So I think that statement from him is very telling. 

And he might be a workhorse but that is what Mount was and when he did it we reap the rewards. 

So I don't mind someone like that especially being from the academy and that loves Chelsea....unless you tell me a team puts 100 million on the table, then I would sell. 

Yeah it's likely there is some truth to it. There is also a possibility of, "well, considering what I've got, Gallagher is key." So, it's all very relative. Had Kova and Kante been here and fit and Gallagher wouldn't see a whole lot of playtime, for ex.

Yeah I don't see Gallagher as a throwaway player in any way. I can see why the mount comparisons, but it's akin to saying Caicedo is like Mount because he's a workhorse.

I think a rounded winger with good skill *and* high work rate is a rarer player than a center mid like Gallagher, but that's just me.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,942]

The way the FFP system is set up, it makes academy players pure FFP credits. They need to do something to fix it.

[lucio 5,418]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

How come you didn't have that opinion about Mount? I see majority think they are similar players. 

Mount is considerably better on the ball and way more of a goal threat , despite being not that great 

[NikkiCFC 8,516]

40 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

 

I think a rounded winger with good skill *and* high work rate is a rarer player than a center mid like Gallagher, but that's just me.

Both are number 8. They've been played other positions a lot tho. 

‘I’ve played midfield my whole life,’ said Mount. ‘I’ve varied between playing a bit more forward in a No.10 position but I always kind of see myself as a No.8.

Edited December 18, 2023 by NikkiCFC

[NikkiCFC 8,516]

8 minutes ago, lucio said:

 and way more of a goal threat 

Idk, Gallagher had season with 8 PL goals in Palace which is better than 3 of 4 Mount seasons here. And Mount played last 2 and a half seasons in Chelsea in front 3. 

I'm surprised with Gallagher lack of goals in Chelsea. Next week we celebrate one year since Mount last goal. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

32 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Both are number 8. They've been played other positions a lot tho. 

‘I’ve played midfield my whole life,’ said Mount. ‘I’ve varied between playing a bit more forward in a No.10 position but I always kind of see myself as a No.8.

Agree to disagree here: midfielder != center mid. 🤷‍♂️ Always saw him playing on the left wing myself... yes, he dropped back, which is the tactical thing I like about these players.
I do see the value of having a workhorse winger in the mould of Oscar/Mount--even or esp as an option for certain games. Silverware seems to like that type of player as well.

Whether the player sees himself as a n10, well all midfielders see themselves as a n10 who owns the midfield and the team. 😆We employed him in the right position and the right way: CL agrees.

Edited December 18, 2023 by robsblubot

[Mário César 1,475]

I don think gallagher is good enough for a old classic Chelsea. 

he is good enough for now but we are seeing the worst Chelsea of the last 25 years

if we sold gallagher and we get palhinha thats fine for me 

[robsblubot 3,595]

2 hours ago, Mário César said:

I don think gallagher is good enough for a old classic Chelsea. 

he is good enough for now but we are seeing the worst Chelsea of the last 25 years

if we sold gallagher and we get palhinha thats fine for me 

good point. It's all relative isn't it?

Like if we wanted to be champions, which implies our midfield would need to have players as good as the ones who got silverware, then no, he's not the answer for the starting XI.

In the current situ which means we will need another 1-2 transfer windows to become competitive again, then maybe we can keep him and see how he develops.

On the other hand, getting someone experienced like Palinha might help the team, and in turn, the development of the younger players. He's a guy who can control tempo and is physically strong, which IMO is a weakness the team has atm.

[Blue Armour 4,710]

11 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Poch vs the board already:

 

There's no such thing as Chelsea youth player, unless it's a Boehly-Clearlake certified Chelsea youth player.

Posers probably want to replace all of the previous regime's players with their own signings, and also make a profit on the way.

Edited December 19, 2023 by Blue Armour

[Blue Armour 4,710]

In all seriousness, it's because Clearlake want everyone to sign those ridiculous long term contracts, and Gallagher (rightly so) has second thoughts about it.

These long term contracts remind me of how NBA player Scottie Pippen re-signed a long term contract with the Bulls, when he came on as a rookie, and then stayed stuck with a lower than deserved salary for a long period of time. 

Clearly that's why Clearlake want our players to do the same.

Edited December 19, 2023 by Blue Armour

[Strike 7,761]

7 hours ago, Mário César said:

I don think gallagher is good enough for a old classic Chelsea. 

he is good enough for now but we are seeing the worst Chelsea of the last 25 years

if we sold gallagher and we get palhinha thats fine for me 

Another defensive mid? We should get a mid who's good going forward. Odegaard-lite

[NikkiCFC 8,516]

16 minutes ago, Strike said:

Another defensive mid? We should get a mid who's good going forward. Odegaard-lite

That's a player I would accept selling Gallagher for. Musiala.

[Vesper 31,045]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

That's a player I would accept selling Gallagher for. Musiala.

world class players likely will no longer come here

why the hell would Musiala leave a top 3 club in the world for one who may end up 10th to 15th or so in the LEAGUE?

Same I fear for Osimhen, Wirtz, Leão, Kvaratskhelia, Hakimi, Xavi Simons, Alphonso Davies, Kimmich, Nuno Mendes, Lautaro, Dušan Vlahović, Bremer, Barella, Diogo Costa. Oblak, Mike Maignan, António Silva, Bastoni, Giorgio Scalvini, Frimpong, Theo Hernandez, Nahuel Molina. Federico Dimarco, etc etc

 

Boehly has destroyed us (no CL, probably for years, and if the Roman illegal money shit blows up, we may well be forcibly relegated down the road)

the more I see the full picture, the more distraught I am becoming

[Vesper 31,045]

we will be lucky as fuck to grab Toney and Mamardashvili

cannot see anything better at those 2 positions coming here

we are well fucked for fullback and centre back recruitment

winger too

Edited December 19, 2023 by Vesper

[Vesper 31,045]

Kudus, btw

if you posit a 4000 minute season

is tracking atm to 30 goals, 5 assists, all comps

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

Kudus, btw

if you posit a 4000 minute season

is tracking atm to 30 goals, 5 assists, all comps

 But bloated by 3 goals in EL quali and some more vs inferior opposition in EL and EFL cup. Not sold on him yet. I think for once we made the better deal with Palmer 

[OneMoSalah 9,089]

6 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

That's a player I would accept selling Gallagher for. Musiala.

Yeah thats not gonna happen.