Superblue 6,372 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Vesper said: we are doubling Auba's salary so around £203K PW for 3 years plus £25-30m or so for the fee more than likely so around £57m to £62m for 3 years If we pull Toney for £40-45m in fees and pay him £120K pw (massive increase from his £31K PW now) that is £58.7m to £63.7m for the first 3 years almost no difference, and for a far younger player (at end of 3 years Toney is 29yo, Auba 36) From what it appears we don't want to be bidding much more than £15-18m on Aubameyang (which I completely agree with) and I really doubt that Toney is gettable at £40-45m. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Brentford will be asking for £60-70m for him. So I do think there would be a bigger gap than what you'd initially estimate. The accounting treatment of transfer fees vs wages has to be a consideration also. Wages are easier to be able to absorb or reduce on an annual basis by being able to loan a player out, even if the loaning club are only paying a proportion of the salary. If Aubameyang for example came in for 1 season and after that we looked to move him back out, we could probably find a suitor to take him on loan and carry a good chunk of his salary. A transfer fee is essentially a sunk cost. Even when loaning a player out we're still stuck with their annual amortisation on the books. If Toney flopped here like Lukaku, you might be able to move his wages on by loaning him out but you're still stuck with his transfer costs which could easily fall into a £12-15m a season territory for 4 or 5 years. We might get a loan fee for him but it won't fall into this size bracket. On paper Toney seems to be the more sensible buy long term but a transfer like his we have to be far more confident is going to work because it has longer term consequences to get out of. With Aubameyang I don't know Barca's exact position, but dragging this out even later into the transfer window we may be able to get him significantly cheaper or even on a loan just for him to be cleared from their wage bill. The other option we do have is for now to simply make do with our current attacking crop. With the World Cup in the winter, there's a shorter timespan of games before the January window, and it's something we can possibly revisit then when we've had more time to plan. There will be plenty of time in December to discuss deals with clubs without the chaos that there currently is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,976 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 All this Auba talk and we threw away Giroud with plenty in the tank. Hamilton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said: All this Auba talk and we threw away Giroud with plenty in the tank. They are very different players tho. you could see Giroud for all his qualities was not gonna work long term in TT ball.Aubameyang would be a decent fit if he was 7 years younger. We should have gone for him when he went to Arsenal. Same as Jesus. Maybe we should just hire Arsenal's scout^^ bigbluewillie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,180 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 28 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said: Brentford will be asking for £60-70m that's insane (not you, lol) and no way would I endorse that type of money for Toney, it is not like he has always been a dream signing for me ever, I am just trying to work things out with so little time left and so few options he is year older than Jesus (£47m, but I do admit it was that low due only one year left on his contract, although I think Citeh had a an option, not sure) and nowhere close to being as good we really fucked ourselves right proper starting with the psychotic £350-400m or so total chase of Håland (which was never happening, I am convinced of that), then not buying Osimhen or Vlahovic last year, and instead buying the nightmare Donkeykaku Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman2610 1,430 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 54 minutes ago, Vesper said: yes, I looked at that last week good summation, deffo no hype. pretty realistic His link up with poor brentford players is actually really good and his finishing is what impressed me the most. The ability to catch a volley like he does is pretty rare in football these days anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrenshah 186 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Watching leeds match...no amount of signings can get us top4 this season i guess Boycie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 15 minutes ago, shrenshah said: Watching leeds match...no amount of signings can get us top4 this season i guess I'm more worried about the lack of midfield news apart De Jong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alabama 1,992 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Matheus Nunes was there for the taking until we wasted all the window chasing after De Jong that will not come here...what we have now is a clown Jorginho that will watch all day long just ghosting about on the pitch of play....either we sign a top central midfielder or relegate J5 to the bench and have fully fit Kante Kovacic and Gallagher ahead of him mkh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundalf 806 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 We have no midfield, we need De Jong immediately. Offer this guy 20m per year, I dont care. We need him so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,976 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 37 minutes ago, shrenshah said: Watching leeds match...no amount of signings can get us top4 this season i guess It s one game. We will regroup. Our finishing concerns me, but we will find our way. Alabama and Strike 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,180 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 32 minutes ago, Gundalf said: We have no midfield, we need De Jong immediately. Offer this guy 20m per year, I dont care. We need him so much. he doesn't want to come here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,180 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, shrenshah said: Watching leeds match...no amount of signings can get us top4 this season i guess depends what the signings are we HAVE to stop signing old players we got lucky with Thiago and its warped our psyche Edited August 21, 2022 by Vesper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundalf 806 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Vesper said: he doesn't want to come here But he and his wife want money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Vesper said: he doesn't want to come here Money talks, Casemiro is the example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Sicarius 610 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, ZAPHOD2319 said: It s one game. We will regroup. Our finishing concerns me, but we will find our way. Last 13 games in League: 5 wins, 19 points. It is something to think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blahblahblah 73 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 TT thinks our midfield is not the problem. Needs to get his head checked Vesper and Boycie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, blahblahblah said: TT thinks our midfield is not the problem. Needs to get his head checked What do you expect? slandering his own players in public? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,180 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Blues Forever said: Money talks, Casemiro is the example. Brasilians are lickrish, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blahblahblah 73 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Blues Forever said: What do you expect? slandering his own players in public? DId not he do that with lukaku? And we have spent 250m+ under TT, can you name a CM/DM? We have sorely needed a midfield upgrade since FL. Hell, even under FL we were heavily rumored to get Rice but somehow TT thinks that its the attacking PERSONNEL who are at fault rather than his tactics. We have let go off lukaku and werner and looking to let go off ziyech/cho/pulisic. Are we any different? No. And we wont be with the likes of jorginho in our mid. Who literally provide nothing. No defensive cover, no creativity, just pedestrian sideways passes. We needed a midfield revamp. We NEED a midfield revamp. And TT says we dont need a midfielder. Like i said, needs to get his head examined. We should be very very careful with him. Any talks of an extension really needs to be put on hold. The CL win is glossing over a LOT of tactical, player management and transfer target level shits. We have been dog shit poor since last november/december since that Juve game in CL. Boycie and didi007 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Just now, blahblahblah said: DId not he do that with lukaku? Only after Lukaku himself slandered Tuchel in his infamous interview. 3 minutes ago, blahblahblah said: We needed a midfield revamp. We NEED a midfield revamp. And TT says we dont need a midfielder. Like i said, needs to get his head examined. You want him to create more toxic environment by slandering his own players in front of the press? Boycie and Blue Armour 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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