Chelsea Transfers

[Pizy 18,994]

14 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

The market for cbs is still decent. We can find alternatives. Also Trev, RJ and K2 can play rcb as well. It is not Fofana or bust 

If we have to rely on Trev or RJ to start a lot of games this season then we’re not making a serious step forward. 

We have to stop this “such and such player can play this position if necessary” mentality. This isn’t how a big club should operate. “Azpi can play this position, Reece James can play that position.” Yes, they can, but not as well as Fofana can.

[Clockwork 1,794]

8 minutes ago, Pizy said:

If we have to rely on Trev or RJ to start a lot of games this season then we’re not making a serious step forward. 

We have to stop this “such and such player can play this position if necessary” mentality. This isn’t how a big club should operate. “Azpi can play this position, Reece James can play that position.” Yes, they can, but not as well as Fofana can.

wouldn’t Cucurella more likely to play CB if Chillwill stay healthy?

[DDA 9,985]

How many times do we have to post the same shit about De Jong? 

We know he doesn't want to leave and we know if he does, he will chose us over United. 

 

[LAM09 7,069]

53 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Why? We need him. Unless you want to see Azpi playing CB for the whole season?

We're overpaying and on course to set a bad precedent going forward. 

Cucurella was bad enough IMO.

[Pizy 18,994]

11 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

We're overpaying and on course to set a bad precedent going forward. 

Cucurella was bad enough IMO.

True that we’re overpaying but I don’t agree about it setting a bad precedent. The precedent has already been set by multiple PL clubs. If you want a player from a fellow PL club and they 1) have multiple years left on their deals and 2) their current clubs don’t actually want to sell them, you’re going to have to pay mega money.

 

[Tomo 21,751]

28 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

We're overpaying and on course to set a bad precedent going forward. 

Cucurella was bad enough IMO.

We paid £50m for Torres yet in the 18 months after got Hazard and Mata for marginally more combined. We got Kovacic for the same price as Bakayoko.

Circumstances dictate pricetag, not prior transfers.

Edited August 8, 2022 by Tomo

[LAM09 7,069]

18 minutes ago, Pizy said:

True that we’re overpaying but I don’t agree about it setting a bad precedent. The precedent has already been set by multiple PL clubs. If you want a player from a fellow PL club and they 1) have multiple years left on their deals and 2) their current clubs don’t actually want to sell them, you’re going to have to pay mega money.

 

You don't have to bow down to others' demands while there's talent overseas. If we seriously put down a £85m bid for Fofana, we should be directing that amount to Leipzig & probably have a deal wrapped up. 

We signed Cucurella for more than £60 million and could spend up to £85 million on Fofana. What are West Ham going to say if we go after Rice next summer, £150m?

When the likes of City and PSG are turning down deals for high prices, it tells you a lot. There's a big difference between value & plain stupidity.   

4 minutes ago, Tomo said:

We paid £50m for Torres yet in the 18 months after got Hazard and Mata for marginally more combined. We got Kovacic for the same price as Bakayoko.

Circumstances dictate pricetag, not prior transfers.

Talking about deals almost a decade ago is irrelevant.  

Also, the second comparison is incorrect - Tiemoué Bakayoko - Transfer history | Transfermarkt (£36m)

Mateo Kovacic - Transfer history | Transfermarkt (£40.50m)

Edited August 8, 2022 by LAM09

[Tomo 21,751]

34 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

You don't have to bow down to others' demands while there's talent overseas. If we seriously put down a £85m bid for Fofana, we should be directing that amount to Leipzig & probably have a deal wrapped up. 

We signed Cucurella for more than £60 million and could spend up to £85 million on Fofana. What are West Ham going to say if we go after Rice next summer, £150m?

When the likes of City and PSG are turning down deals for high prices, it tells you a lot. There's a big difference between value & plain stupidity.   

Talking about deals almost a decade ago is irrelevant.  

Also, the second comparison is incorrect - Tiemoué Bakayoko - Transfer history | Transfermarkt (£36m)

Mateo Kovacic - Transfer history | Transfermarkt (£40.50m)

If we're sticking to recent times then United got world cup and 4x UCL winner Varane for around half the price they spent on Maguire.

[LAM09 7,069]

4 minutes ago, Tomo said:

If we're sticking to recent times then United got world cup and 4x UCL winner Varane for around half the price they spent on Maguire.

Look at the one constant in my examples - EPL sides. That's where my issue is & you've proved my point exactly.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,091]

14 hours ago, Pizy said:

Why? We need him. Unless you want to see Azpi playing CB for the whole season?

I want us to break the cycle of being held over a barrel for players regardless of their individual quality. When the price goes beyond our valuation we have to walk away or we are fuelling the madness.

Edited August 9, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

[Jype 6,398]

49 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

You don't have to bow down to others' demands while there's talent overseas. If we seriously put down a £85m bid for Fofana, we should be directing that amount to Leipzig & probably have a deal wrapped up. 

Why? Is Gvardiol supposed to be better than Fofana? 

I don't agree. As long as Fofana has fully healed from his leg break I'd say he's currently the better player of the two and they're both still equally young and developing. Fofana is already settled in the PL and will probably settle quicker.

[Pizy 18,994]

1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

You don't have to bow down to others' demands while there's talent overseas. If we seriously put down a £85m bid for Fofana, we should be directing that amount to Leipzig & probably have a deal wrapped up. 

We signed Cucurella for more than £60 million and could spend up to £85 million on Fofana. What are West Ham going to say if we go after Rice next summer, £150m?

When the likes of City and PSG are turning down deals for high prices, it tells you a lot. There's a big difference between value & plain stupidity.   

Talking about deals almost a decade ago is irrelevant.  

Also, the second comparison is incorrect - Tiemoué Bakayoko - Transfer history | Transfermarkt (£36m)

Mateo Kovacic - Transfer history | Transfermarkt (£40.50m)

I think with KK and now Cucu, Tuchel is considering the left side of our defense settled. So Gvardiol wouldn’t make much sense now. We want a right sided CB which Fofana is. 

[whats happening 1,633]

15 minutes ago, Jype said:

Why? Is Gvardiol supposed to be better than Fofana? 

I don't agree. As long as Fofana has fully healed from his leg break I'd say he's currently the better player of the two and they're both still equally young and developing. Fofana is already settled in the PL and will probably settle quicker.

i am afraid that if we go for fofana, year later city buys gvardiol, we gonna kick ourselves just like we did with lukaku.

80+ million is crazy money for still an unproven player. 

[Jype 6,398]

15 minutes ago, whats happening said:

i am afraid that if we go for fofana, year later city buys gvardiol, we gonna kick ourselves just like we did with lukaku.

80+ million is crazy money for still an unproven player. 

Or Gvardiol might have a season not so great and a year from now no top club would even want him. The same happened with that Lacroix dude or whatever his name was, last year he was all the hype and this year he's already forgotten.

At least Fofana's proven himself in two countries already, including EPL.

[Tomo 21,751]

58 minutes ago, whats happening said:

i am afraid that if we go for fofana, year later city buys gvardiol, we gonna kick ourselves just like we did with lukaku.

80+ million is crazy money for still an unproven player. 

In what way is Gvardiol any more proven?

[LAM09 7,069]

1 hour ago, Jype said:

Why? Is Gvardiol supposed to be better than Fofana? 

I don't agree. As long as Fofana has fully healed from his leg break I'd say he's currently the better player of the two and they're both still equally young and developing. Fofana is already settled in the PL and will probably settle quicker.

I'd say so, and the former has European experience under his belt (CL & EL) plus 10 caps for Croatia.

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

I think with KK and now Cucu, Tuchel is considering the left side of our defense settled. So Gvardiol wouldn’t make much sense now. We want a right sided CB which Fofana is. 

KK can play on either side, so that shouldn't be the deciding factor on who we should or shouldn't go for.

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12 minutes ago, Tomo said:

In what way is Gvardiol any more proven?

exactly, if anything Fofana is more proven (has been great in PL already)… but I do like Gvardiol too

[Jype 6,398]

I really do wonder if the people creaming their pants over Gvardiol have even watched him for more than 5 full matches or if it's just the good old bandwagon effect where everyone just pretends to be an expert on him despite knowing next to nothing about the player aside from the fact he's young and highly rated.

Don't get me wrong, I too have heard plenty of good things about him and would happily take him in the squad but I just find it funny how he's somehow gained this god-like status on this forum despite actually proving very little in his career so far. 

Edited August 8, 2022 by Jype

[Pizy 18,994]

2 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

I'd say so, and the former has European experience under his belt (CL & EL) plus 10 caps for Croatia.

KK can play on either side, so that shouldn't be the deciding factor on who we should or shouldn't go for.

He CAN play on the right for sure. But as evidenced by where he has appeared thus far in a Chelsea shirt and where I saw him play most in the Napoli footage, I think he looks best on the left.

What that means for Cucurella if/when we do sign Fofana is what I’m curious about. Because we ain’t spending £55m for a player to sit on the bench.

[Tomo 21,751]

12 minutes ago, Pizy said:

He CAN play on the right for sure. But as evidenced by where he has appeared thus far in a Chelsea shirt and where I saw him play most in the Napoli footage, I think he looks best on the left.

What that means for Cucurella if/when we do sign Fofana is what I’m curious about. Because we ain’t spending £55m for a player to sit on the bench.

If we go as far in all comps as we did last season we'll be lucky to get a midweek off for the remaineder of the season once the UCL kicks in.

There's more than enough games to go round.

Edited August 8, 2022 by Tomo