Chelsea Transfers

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

Just now, Mário César said:

im feeling tired and sick 

Shall I forward you another leading the race on X player article to cheer you up? 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

11 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Liverpool also now have their foot in to bringing Bellingham in next summer. 

Liverpool are completing this summer and next summer's transfers before we even complete one. 😂

 

11 hours ago, Pizy said:

It’s amateurish. Tuchel will have had lots of names and ideas in Marina’s/Cech/whoever handles these things’ hands for ages. 

Just like Conte had surely long since studied and identified the weak areas he needed to plug at Spuds and just like Gerard did at Villa. Tuchel will have told them we need “this, this, and this.”

Clubs that we’ll be competing with will have made 3-4 signings each before we make even 1.

I have been making this same point for years now. A point people seem unwilling to accept or to contemplate its implications. We are not an attractive club to top level players. We can list all the targets we want but, unless no one else wants them, they usually won't consider us.

Justified or not, we have a reputation for; dour football, stinking up the joint in big international games, a crap stadium, poor home support, and misusing our players. The upshot is that it is far, far more difficult for us to sign big names than it is for clubs with a better reputation. Established elite players will not come here until they are mainly interested in boosting their pension plans, exciting youngsters will choose other destinations unless they are forced to accept that none of their preferred clubs want them.

I have argued that we should never pay superstar prices because genuine, established, superstars don't join Chelsea. When we pay top prices we are wasting our money on a second tier player, at best. We need to shop super smart in 'our' market and gradually work on changing the way we are seen. That process should have started years ago but it must start now.

Edited June 17, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

[Mário César 1,034]

12 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

 

I have been making this same point for years now. A point people seem unwilling to accept or to contemplate its implications. We are not an attractive club to top level players. We can list all the targets we want but, unless no one else wants them, they usually won't consider us.

Justified or not, we have a reputation for; dour football, stinking up the joint in big international games, a crap stadium, poor home support, and misusing our players. The upshot is that it is far, far more difficult for us to sign big names than it is for clubs with a better reputation. Established elite players will not come here until they are mainly interested in boosting their pension plans, exciting youngsters will prefer other destinations unless they are forced to accept that none of their preferred clubs want them.

I have argued that we should never pay superstar prices because genuine superstars don't join Chelsea. When we pay top prices we are wasting our money on a second tier player, at best. We need to shop super smart in 'our' market and gradually work on changing they way we are seen. That process should have started years ago but it must start now.

how not?

we won 2 champions league in the last 10 years 

[Superblue 6,372]

5 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

 

I have been making this same point for years now. A point people seem unwilling to accept or to contemplate its implications. We are not an attractive club to top level players. We can list all the targets we want but, unless no one else wants them, they usually won't consider us.

Justified or not, we have a reputation for; dour football, stinking up the joint in big international games, a crap stadium, poor home support, and misusing our players. The upshot is that it is far, far more difficult for us to sign big names than it is for clubs with a better reputation. Established elite players will not come here until they are mainly interested in boosting their pension plans, exciting youngsters will prefer other destinations unless they are forced to accept that none of their preferred clubs want them.

I have argued that we should never pay superstar prices because genuine superstars don't join Chelsea. When we pay top prices we are wasting our money on a second tier player, at best. We need to shop super smart in 'our' market and gradually work on changing they way we are seen. That process should have started years ago but it must start now.

To add something further to this, we have a poor track record of not strengthening adequately when on top and in prime positions to do so.

And that doesn't have to be superstar signings, it should be strong recruitment to add to a good thing already going here. The last time we arguably did this was bringing in Hazard amongst others after winning the Champions League. Since then the two league title winning campaigns and last summer off the back of the Champions League weren't good enough. I understand the points you make, but there will also be periods whereby clubs will look a lot more attractive to targets then in other times and off the back of big, successful seasons we should have done more work to stay there and build on it. City have been doing this a lot better than we have.

Hopefully there will be a much more structured and joined up way of thinking between scouting/recruitment, board and manager moving forward that allows us to build a better structure where players are being bought in as an obvious 'fit' to flourish. It is something that I do actually have a bit more confidence in the new ownership doing in time. Americans are usually a lot more patient in their approach and more likely to let specialists get on with doing the jobs they're paid to do. The failures of the Americans at Arsenal and United are more down to a lack of investment across the club and a disconnect from fans. I know it might not mean much to some but from what I've seen of Boehly coming to games, having his picture taken with fans over recent weeks suggests he 'gets' it unlike other owners. The investment over the next decade that the consortium has committed too should ensure that the club can flourish and grow so long as the money is being invested wisely and correctly. 

[King Kante 1,519]

1 hour ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Man City, Liverpool, Tottenham, Aston Villa all had their transfers lined up and ready to finalize the first week of the window. I am not buying that these deals take an incredible amount of time and we just started speaking to clubs and players after the sale was complete. If so our people that handle transfers need to go. Our recruitment people, if there is such a plan had months to put together a plan. What were they doing all this time? 

So, the people who handle transfers were meant to go out and negotiate transfers with other agents/clubs/players when: 

A) They didn't know who was going to be the new owner or what the confirmed budget was. 

B ) Under heavy financial sanctions that forbade any dealings that could've resulted in significant money being moved. 

C) They didn't even know themselves if they were going to keep their job. 

D) Couldn't tell the agent/player/club where the money for said player would be coming from. 

I get people want stuff done but seriously the situation needs to be considered this year around. I mean, I was going absolutely ape in 2017 but that was a very different situation to now. 

 

[YorkshireBlue 3,126]

10 minutes ago, King Kante said:

So, the people who handle transfers were meant to go out and negotiate transfers with other agents/clubs/players when: 

A) They didn't know who was going to be the new owner or what the confirmed budget was. 

B ) Under heavy financial sanctions that forbade any dealings that could've resulted in significant money being moved. 

C) They didn't even know themselves if they were going to keep their job. 

D) Couldn't tell the agent/player/club where the money for said player would be coming from. 

I get people want stuff done but seriously the situation needs to be considered this year around. I mean, I was going absolutely ape in 2017 but that was a very different situation to now. 

 

100% agree with everything here. What was going to be said in these talks? 

 Chelsea: we want you 

Player: how much can you pay me

Chelsea: no idea ask us again in 2 months when we know if we still going to be here. 

Player: like fuck.

[Fernando 6,496]

1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I would. We'd spend 80% of our alleged budget for both. 

Plus, Leading the Race FC doesn't know how to finalize deals. 

If we spend all our money on those two I have no problem. Quality instead of quantity. And no Lukaku was never quality. In theory for that money should have been Haaland. 

[milka 3,358]

Kounde has already agreed personal terms with Chelsea, which is two to three times more than what Barca could afford, ruling Barca out of the race. The agreement is a five-year deal, but Sevilla are still holding out for a fee between £51m-£55.9m. {ABC Sevilla}

[whats happening 1,540]

29 minutes ago, King Kante said:

So, the people who handle transfers were meant to go out and negotiate transfers with other agents/clubs/players when: 

A) They didn't know who was going to be the new owner or what the confirmed budget was. 

B ) Under heavy financial sanctions that forbade any dealings that could've resulted in significant money being moved. 

C) They didn't even know themselves if they were going to keep their job. 

D) Couldn't tell the agent/player/club where the money for said player would be coming from. 

I get people want stuff done but seriously the situation needs to be considered this year around. I mean, I was going absolutely ape in 2017 but that was a very different situation to now. 

 

a) you can make contacts with players agents regardless on the transfers outcome

b) again, you can make a contact and even agree with a player and his agent, that if we are able to buy the player we will. can give even a deadline date.

c) this is a good point, but if i remember correctly the potential owners said that they want marina, buck, cech, etc to stay at the club

d) does it matter? everyone understood the new ownership situation. if theres a new ownership, there will be money.

 

clubs does not start to operate on 10th june when the transfer window opens, they usually start way before that. well, good run clubs at least...

[YorkshireBlue 3,126]

29 minutes ago, whats happening said:

a) you can make contacts with players agents regardless on the transfers outcome

b) again, you can make a contact and even agree with a player and his agent, that if we are able to buy the player we will. can give even a deadline date.

c) this is a good point, but if i remember correctly the potential owners said that they want marina, buck, cech, etc to stay at the club

d) does it matter? everyone understood the new ownership situation. if theres a new ownership, there will be money.

 

clubs does not start to operate on 10th june when the transfer window opens, they usually start way before that. well, good run clubs at least...

How can you agree with a player on stuff that involves owners when we didn't have an owner? 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,537]

52 minutes ago, King Kante said:

So, the people who handle transfers were meant to go out and negotiate transfers with other agents/clubs/players when: 

A) They didn't know who was going to be the new owner or what the confirmed budget was. 

B ) Under heavy financial sanctions that forbade any dealings that could've resulted in significant money being moved. 

C) They didn't even know themselves if they were going to keep their job. 

D) Couldn't tell the agent/player/club where the money for said player would be coming from. 

I get people want stuff done but seriously the situation needs to be considered this year around. I mean, I was going absolutely ape in 2017 but that was a very different situation to now. 

 

The people that are our main targets we have been speaking with both players and clubs since the last window. All these agents, players, and clubs have seen clubs get sold and know that it will happen. Chelsea had a valuation that was known to all. It is silly to think that our people were sitting on their hands waiting for the sale to happen. These are people that have been in the business world where companies are sold all the time. You keep doing your job and adjust to what the new owners want. It matters not knowing how much your transfer window budget is to find out what the player’s interest is, what their personal terms are, how much the club wants for the player, what structure the deal could be. If these people can’t communicate these items during a club being sold, they are not very good at their job.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

Barcelona could use Alejandro Balde in the negotiations with Chelsea for Azpilicueta and Alonso. Chelsea tried to sign Balde last summer and still interested with the player.

[Mário César 1,034]

the fact that our home fans are shit its no so important

remember that city stadium was called empty had and in old trafford are a lot of people that criticzes they fans 

Edited June 16, 2022 by Mário César

[Vesper 29,143]

18 hours ago, milka said:

 

This saga man , soo boring 

 

Fuck that hobbled dwarf.

[Blue Armour 4,327]

6 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I think the bigger problem for us and United is stripping out the players we don't want at the club. 

Spurs need more depth anyway and City know that some of their players like Jesus, possibly Sterling will be in demand if they choose to move them on so can be confident with bringing players in first.

It's easy enough to just go and splash out £150m on new signings but what happens if we can't move players on and we're stuck with them. I think the Lukaku transfer is a big one for the club. Getting clarity on our position with him, especially with his wages will I think help to make moves then in our attack.

With Chelsea, very little information gets out. We're linked with anyone and everyone but ultimately if we're interested or negotiating with a player it rarely comes out early. I don't see why this would change with the new ownership so with that in mind, no one really knows where we're at with deals and negotiations for players. 

I'm not worried at present, I'm certain players will come in through the door over the transfer window. I'd like to get as much done as possible as early as possible and give new signings a pre season with the team but ultimately I also want the club to get the recruitment right starting this summer. Abramovich isn't just going to bail out bad signings anymore, it's imperative we hit the ball out the park with who we bring in.

I can understand that reasoning for midfield and attacker positions.

But we've known for months that we are going to lose two key center backs

Surely the club would have eyed a replacement for a while now. 

 

[Vesper 29,143]

14 hours ago, DDA said:

What are Inter smoking? And what's more, what the hell are the board at Chelsea thinking if they don't demand a player included in the deal. We just paid £100m to these cheeky bastards. 

The Italians always maul Marina. Remember Juve motorboating her, same with the Evil Dwarf.

[Superblue 6,372]

2 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

I can understand that reasoning for midfield and attacker positions.

But we've known for months that we are going to lose two key center backs

Surely the club would have eyed a replacement for a while now. 

And I would assume selling clubs are aware of this too, making discussions potentially trickier.

I would also assume that before the sanctions there was still optimism to get Rudiger signed up. Losing him means two starting centre backs now so targets may have changed as a results of this.

Also it appears some players we're linked with such as De Ligt and the Inter defenders, we also have players potentially moving to these clubs which complicates discussions even further.