Chelsea Transfers

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5 minutes ago, Mhsc said:

https://theathletic.com/4617499/2023/06/16/Chelsea-transfer-nicolas-jackson/

Looks pretty serious that we are signing Nicolas Jackson.

Like I said he ended the season with 9 goals in 8 matches. Great finisher. Both Jackson and Viega is up there.

 

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I like the look of this Jackson fella. Not sure I see the comparisons with Batshuayi... he looks far better on the ball. 

He needs work to lead the line of a top club though.

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So unless Fofana goes out on loan we’re going to have 3 pretty raw, relatively inexperienced strikers who are 21 years old? Seems like one hell of a risk for such an important position. You’d think a new manager coming in would want a more trusted, “ready made” option that can instantly hit the ground running.

Nicolas Jackson looks very talented but as I mentioned this morning, he feels like the sort of player a traditional midtable side like West Ham, Everton, or Villa make. Clubs where the expectations aren’t massive and they can take a season or two to grow and develop.

I guess what should lessen the pressure is the price tag being very reasonable.

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27 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

I quoted your post in response to another user, so I've addressed that already. I apologise if my post wasn't identical to how you worded yours, but that's the vibe I and clearly other users got.

Another topic I touched upon - Players based in the major countries in Europe will develop at a much faster rate than those elsewhere, for obvious reasons. Using the USA as a pointer is odd considering football or soccer is still irrelevant for the most part. However, to partially answer your question, he probably wouldn't have developed at the rate he did, but there's no telling how quickly we would have adapted to European football considering someone with his skillset would have been bought in his mid teens, similar to Alphonso Davis.

Alphonso Davis is probably the best example, having thought about it. Someone born in Africa moved to Canada at a young age (goes with your thinking) and was bought by Bayern at 17. Would his career have been different if he had been born in Spain?

Thank you. I too apologize given that my poor wording implied something else entirely, but again, that was not my intention. I think the person you responded to did not read it in the same light, but still it was poorly worded. The "not nice" part is because I'm yet to know someone who likes and welcomes criticism esp in football -- had a similar post about Irish football once.

Yeah, what you write above is and was exactly what I was getting at from the get go. Which actually came from talking about Caicedo and Ecuador, at least in my mind. Like Caicedo has to become the best Ecuador player in history to reach the expectations we have with him. Then again, is he an Ecuador player? How much development has he had in England vs Ecuador?

That's exactly why players from, speaking of my own backyard now, say Brazil lose value as they age. It's not just that that their ceiling becomes easier to read, but also that it's less time that -- the supposedly bigger clubs w/ better coaching and infra -- will have to develop such player. They think, and I tend to agree, that working with them, the player will have a better chance to reach their potential.

I've heard different takes from professionals in this area (player development) tho; like if a player from the small side is better than the one you got, then let the one you got go, and get the player from the small club, because he's behind in fitness and mental aspects at the very least. Others say it's not like that, that the player you developed for a long time will has a better "core" from the one from the smaller side/footballing nation. 

"Bayern at 17. Would his career have been different if he had been born in Spain?"

Not but that's the thing, reaching Bayern at 17 makes his origin not much relevant. Like, it's early enough that Bayern will have a big influence in his development as a footballer. I totally understand that there are a number of different variables at player, some intangible, but I'm speaking as a general rule, and as these big clubs think.

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Why are we so high on Giving more money to Brighton. F them. We should go for Lavia or Kone to partner Enzo in the middle. They are far cheaper and to me look way more polished as players

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

I disagree, if he does actually refind his 2021 self it would very much be in our best interests to play him. If we took the same stance with Rudiger it would have ended disastrously.

Maybe. I'm often torn in these scenarios.

It's the immediate vs long term...team vs club.

Letting players dictate things like Mount and others are doing, without any show of strength, can establish precedent, which can be used by other players (esp their agents) in the future.

Edited June 16, 2023 by robsblubot

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Ornstein is the first one to mention Tonali and Barella as potential targets. But two of the best Italian players playing at two of the biggest Italian clubs makes it difficult for me to see them 1- agree to leave and 2- their clubs agree to sell them. 

Barella speaks for himself. Would be a great signing for anyone in the PL. I was pretty impressed with Tonali when we played Milan even though they were pretty damn poor overall as a team. His tenacity and energy stuck out.

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On 15/06/2023 at 17:52, NikkiCFC said:

Kolo Muani missed that 121 minute one on one on WC final that cost France title. I don't take him seriously after that. Clearly loser. 

all he had to do was to slide the ball to a wide open and onside Mbappe and then no Pessi WC, and Mbappe and France would be on track to win 3 WC's in a row (I see them as the 2026 favourites atm, subject to change, of course) and a shot at 4 (he will only be 31yo in the 2030 WC)

Mbappe would have had FOUR goals in the final, by far the greatest ever final performance (even with 3 it still is in the top 2 or 3)

that all said, it is harsh to call Kolo a loser

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looool

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33 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Maybe. I'm often torn in these scenarios.

It's the immediate vs long term...team vs club.

Letting players dictate things like Mount and others are doing, without any show of strength, can establish precedent, which can be used by other players (esp their agents) in the future.

But couldn't that work both ways?

For example, if we play Kepa next season he'll be playing knowing full well we're (hopefully) replacing him first chance we get.

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On 15/06/2023 at 20:52, cosmicway said:

We can put afrolex around so they don't bump.

that doesn't increase the width of the actual pitch

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On 15/06/2023 at 22:28, Fernando said:

Agreed, with Caicedo we are set and with these other younger players we will be stacked. 

No more need for another Midfielder. Just focus on striker. I think we can get by with GK for right now since no good option available. 

we desperately need a class DMF

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18 minutes ago, Tomo said:

But couldn't that work both ways?

For example, if we play Kepa next season he'll be playing knowing full well we're (hopefully) replacing him first chance we get.

I get it, but still it's not an easy choice in my mind. It's also different, one is here and will stick around because nobody really wants him at this wage level. The other is a Chelsea product forcing his exit to a rival.

I'm just very concerned about agent power. We've talked about player power because, which is a thing -- some will claim it's not even that bad. Agent power tho, that's something that concerns me in football. These super agents who manage the career of several players within clubs have a a lot of sway in all areas. 😕 

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god i wish lukaku would rot in the reserves until his contract runs out

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We're pull out of onana

 

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1 hour ago, bluesman2610 said:

Why are we so high on Giving more money to Brighton. F them. We should go for Lavia or Kone to partner Enzo in the middle. They are far cheaper and to me look way more polished as players

I completely agree with this. 

Caceido just doesn't look anything special... Looks far more likely to fail than the other two who are far more polished players and just as, if not more of a physical presence in the middle.

The comparisons to Kante as well... I don't see it. Kante was more polished even coming into our team, and has far better touch. 80 mil for a guy who has a high chance of bust with only one decent season is just crazy. 

Gabri Viega, Kone and Lavia all look far more polished and dynamic/robust to me. They just offer more as players.